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I am sorry but I still cant see why BA get away with cancelling ALL flights to a particular destination, Yes longhaul gets priority but a good percentage of each longhaul flight connects from another city.
Also CabinCrewe if you think they everyone on a EDI/LHR flight is just going to London for a weekend jolly,,,you are very much mistaken.
Also CabinCrewe if you think they everyone on a EDI/LHR flight is just going to London for a weekend jolly,,,you are very much mistaken.
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You obviously cant appreciate the use of an "example" which the London "jolly" was as was the Austrailian flight. The argument equally applies to any of BAs domestic routes for any reason. Again PIK3141, did you not read the previous posts......there are alternatives to the dosmetic legs ( train etc), but not for the international leg - that would be how you you make your onward connection, and the reason BA have opted to cancel these flights. Im not sure what people are finding difficult about this concept... The BMI comparison in a global sense is frankly farcical. But external onlookers are often misconceived. Shame to tarnish BA for simply rationalising in difficult times. Salt on trunk roads anyone ? 
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CabinCrewe, how would you feel if you (for example) were booked EDI/LHR/SYD , the EDI/LHR sector was cancelled with very little likelyhood af a flight operating for the next few days and you were advised to "get the train".
What is the likelyhood of making your connection?
I said it before and I say it again why not at least make an attempt to operate a skeleton service so that customers with connections can be protected?
I am not an onlooker , I have worked in aviation for over 30 years and know full well that there are also alternatives for the longhaul flights.
Why is the bmi example farcical?
Operationally both companies are there to get you from A to C (sometimes via B
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What is the likelyhood of making your connection?
I said it before and I say it again why not at least make an attempt to operate a skeleton service so that customers with connections can be protected?
I am not an onlooker , I have worked in aviation for over 30 years and know full well that there are also alternatives for the longhaul flights.
Why is the bmi example farcical?
Operationally both companies are there to get you from A to C (sometimes via B
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I am sorry but I still cant see why BA get away with cancelling ALL flights to a particular destination,
Can you imagine if they put on a couple of token gesture flights to GLA or EDI i)it would cause absolute mayhem with people scrambling to get their sorry ass's on board and ii) would cause the same mayhem at the airport where the flights had been pulled from due to the reduced service there. I think the current arrangements are best for company and customers alike in the current conditions that prevail.
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BA have cancelled my flight to LHR tomorrow evening. Their operation gets closer to EZY and FR every day with the major exceptions being reliability and cost!!
Of course they could have canceled the HKG-LHR and put them on a train, just as easy right?
As stated a million times before on here; FR/EZY have a short haul network. BA have mainly a long haul network. They also operate into less slot restricted airports (LGW, STN, LTN).They therefore have different priorities in times of disruption, and FR/EZY have more to play with.
BA (and every other airline) really do their best in times like this, they don't go inconveniencing people for the sake of it. Unfortunately its the domestics that take the hit in circumstances such as these, as service recovery for these is much much easier than ditching the mid/longhaul routes.
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The problem at LHR is gate availability and stand space. When the airport gets screwed by the weather there is only a finite number of movements that can be made, and because BA has such a huge presence at LHR something has to give. The BA rationale is that it is easier for people to travel by other means within mainland UK than in Europe or the rest of the world as there is no sea crossing to be made within mainland UK. Also if BA can send a plane off to eg Barcelona etc they are pretty sure its gonna get there, if they send one off to Glasgow or Edinburgh they're not that sure its gonna get in and back out if the weather depreciates.
BA policy is to stop domestic routes when weather dictates as it is the best option of a bad lot. Yes I know it can mess things up for a lot of people but you cant please everyone all of the time and they really do try and keep disruption to a minimum as weather delays and cancelations cost them a heck of a lot of money and thats what it boils down to folks.
BA policy is to stop domestic routes when weather dictates as it is the best option of a bad lot. Yes I know it can mess things up for a lot of people but you cant please everyone all of the time and they really do try and keep disruption to a minimum as weather delays and cancelations cost them a heck of a lot of money and thats what it boils down to folks.
Smith, I have to say in the long arguement on this issue your post makes the most sense. Better to send aircraft to destinations that are likely to be able to release the aircraft back to London rather than going to domestic destinations where airports may close or incur a diversion.
In addition, many are making the point that BA cancelling flights from EDI/GLA passengers miss there connections whereas Bmi will be just a flight to London. Many of Bmi's passengers are transferring to long haul with Star partners and other long haul interline airlines. Eg Singapore, Virgin, Thai etc.
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Well BA will get you on a train if that's the option you want, no its not ideal, but it will get you there.
I do fully understand why BA do it however the domestics are never all full all of the time, neither are the AMS, DUS and all the other short hauls, they could therefore drop a rotation or two from every short haul route and still run (providing they can get in and out at the other end) a skeleton service which would shift the majority of pax.
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Precisley Chrism20, operate a skeleton schedule to all destinations (weather permitting). you will still annoy a lot of passengers but it will be spread evenly and fairly over the network.
Now which airline is doing that ?,,,,Oh yes bmi
Now which airline is doing that ?,,,,Oh yes bmi
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I think the article should have been renamed "Edinburgh Aiport more popular than Glasgow International Airport", as the combined "Glasgow" Airports -GLA/PIK total would appear to trounce Edinburgh. Makes very interesting reading. Looking at the rise in EDI figures appears to be clearly associated with the enlarging Ryanair base.
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What are the chances of EK using Edinburgh as a destination? I'm not a pilot or in the industry to know. Would EDI be able to handle it since Glasgow can?
Also, is the only realistic way of this happening if BAA lose Edinburgh? I'm guessing the way it is, for passengers travelling long haul, they will be getting money from airport charges for passengers travelling out of EDI and then from LHR. If people were travelling out of EDI direct, would BAA then lose money?
Also, is the only realistic way of this happening if BAA lose Edinburgh? I'm guessing the way it is, for passengers travelling long haul, they will be getting money from airport charges for passengers travelling out of EDI and then from LHR. If people were travelling out of EDI direct, would BAA then lose money?
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CabinCrewe: Way off beam my friend. GLA+PIK more or less equals EDI at just over 9 million per annum. October 2009 numbers are GLA 529k, PIK 153k = total 682k. EDI = 822k and so EDI is now well ahead of the combined Glasgow and Prestwick.
Enji. EDI could take the A330 or 777 OK although I would imagine that if EK did start EDI services they would do so with the smaller a/c. However, I'd bet against them as they already serve GLA ad NCL. I'd be more inclined to the likes of Qatar Airways or Ethihad coming into EDI and won't be surprised if either of them do in the fairly near future.
Enji. EDI could take the A330 or 777 OK although I would imagine that if EK did start EDI services they would do so with the smaller a/c. However, I'd bet against them as they already serve GLA ad NCL. I'd be more inclined to the likes of Qatar Airways or Ethihad coming into EDI and won't be surprised if either of them do in the fairly near future.
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I think the article should have been renamed "Edinburgh Aiport more popular than Glasgow International Airport", as the combined "Glasgow" Airports -GLA/PIK total would appear to trounce Edinburgh. Makes very interesting reading. Looking at the rise in EDI figures appears to be clearly associated with the enlarging Ryanair base.
Looking at the last ten years the gap has closed steadily and, using trends from before the arrival of Ryanair, EDI would have moved ahead about 2014. All Ryanair has done is speeded up the process.
Glasgow airport has performed poorly over the past few years especially against its peers. For the top 10 UK airports it has the largest percentage decrease in passengers over the past 12 months.
I would not like to be part of the management team at Glasgow and, personally, I don't think new ownership will change the fortunes dramatically. People talk about a new owner attracting Ryanair from PIK, but the fees received from FR (and we know they would have to be less than offered at EDI as this is already on the table) may not sit comfortably with gaining a commercial return against the purchase price of the airport. You can buy market share but the issue comes when you then want to make a reasonable commercial retun on the investment. And we all know what happens when you ask Ryanair for more money.
Difficult times ahead for GLA I'm afraid.
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.... for passengers travelling long haul, they [BAA] will be getting money from airport charges for passengers travelling out of EDI and then from LHR.
However, where you have the current situation where BA have become the dominant tenant at Heathrow whilst simultaneously BA have cut back their regional services to a minimal level, and when you consider that the first services that are cancelled when Heathrow has weather or other problems are the regional feeder services - you do not have a have a reliable or acceptable service.
BAA would likely do better and have less of a "social engineering" function if they adopted a twin hub apprach with one airport towards the south of the country, the other in the northern end, good feeder services between the two and with complementary networks out of each hub. But hey, that would be common sense, free up congested air space and maybe even improve services and reduce travel times as well. God forbid that the travelling public should get an improved service.
BA still cancelling Scotland flights tonight
I see BA are still cancelling flights to Edinburgh and Glasgow tonight....what is the latest excuse anyone know - or is it the same lot of tosh......
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