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The Eirjet thread has more but I am hearing that EIR are shortly to wet lease an A320 to Air Jamaica during the busy Caribbean winter season so the chances of the story having anything to do with charters flights from Ireland to the USA must be slim?
It is mentioned earlier in the thread and I say it again - do not get overly hung up on the North Atlantic thing from Cork because if there was a choice of having either New York or some kind of combination of, say, Krakow, Riga, Copenhagen and Berlin you would have to go for more European routes.
Cork is now set up with Prague, Budapest and Warsaw so it is clear that a lot of Cork's growth is coming to us from Eastern Europe so let us get that right before worrying about a North Atlantic. With Europe it is easier operationally; lower operating costs, no crews overnighting, aeroplanes back again to base after a few hours, a quick turn around and off again and fly more and make more money.
It is mentioned earlier in the thread and I say it again - do not get overly hung up on the North Atlantic thing from Cork because if there was a choice of having either New York or some kind of combination of, say, Krakow, Riga, Copenhagen and Berlin you would have to go for more European routes.
Cork is now set up with Prague, Budapest and Warsaw so it is clear that a lot of Cork's growth is coming to us from Eastern Europe so let us get that right before worrying about a North Atlantic. With Europe it is easier operationally; lower operating costs, no crews overnighting, aeroplanes back again to base after a few hours, a quick turn around and off again and fly more and make more money.
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Ryanair's loads on ORK LGW have been very high over the weekend and so far neither their Stansted service or Easyjet appear to be affected though the average yields are another matter.
It is strongly rumoured that Ryanair will base a second 738 at Cork in the New Year to operate the existing flights to Stansted and a yet to be confirmed UK destination. They advertised for additional Cork based crews recently.
It is strongly rumoured that Ryanair will base a second 738 at Cork in the New Year to operate the existing flights to Stansted and a yet to be confirmed UK destination. They advertised for additional Cork based crews recently.
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Traffic to UK Airports for October
Belfast 3,785
Birmingham 11,459
Bristol 1,576
Cardiff 2,191
Durham Tees Valley 1,836
Edinburgh 4,533
Gatwick 13,546
Glasgow 998
Heathrow 38,253
Leeds Bradford 557
Liverpool 8,295
Manchester 10,543
Newcastle 1,438
Nottingham EMA 3,774
Southampton 1,497
Stansted 36,734
And an observation/warning. With the new Ryanair flight to Dublin, the airport is a lot busier at 5:30am than it used to be. There was no space in the set down area this morning.
Belfast 3,785
Birmingham 11,459
Bristol 1,576
Cardiff 2,191
Durham Tees Valley 1,836
Edinburgh 4,533
Gatwick 13,546
Glasgow 998
Heathrow 38,253
Leeds Bradford 557
Liverpool 8,295
Manchester 10,543
Newcastle 1,438
Nottingham EMA 3,774
Southampton 1,497
Stansted 36,734
And an observation/warning. With the new Ryanair flight to Dublin, the airport is a lot busier at 5:30am than it used to be. There was no space in the set down area this morning.
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I'm just curious to know if there is any sort of protocol at airports regarding who gets de-iced first, who gets to park where, and who gets to depart first, etc?
I only ask because Cork airport had some bad weather last Friday morning, and the passengers of the Malev flight to Budapest had to wait nearly three hours to leave as they were apparently left at the back of the de-icing queue, despite having quite an early time for departure.
I also regularly see the Irish airlines parked directly outside the terminal whilst various foreign aircraft are left miles away, meaning a very long walk for the passengers (as there are no buses) to and from the aircraft. In the case of the Malev flight the boarding passengers were soaked by near horizontal sleet/snow.
Edit: Please do not start airport threads when one already exists. I am merging this post to the CORK airport thread.
I only ask because Cork airport had some bad weather last Friday morning, and the passengers of the Malev flight to Budapest had to wait nearly three hours to leave as they were apparently left at the back of the de-icing queue, despite having quite an early time for departure.
I also regularly see the Irish airlines parked directly outside the terminal whilst various foreign aircraft are left miles away, meaning a very long walk for the passengers (as there are no buses) to and from the aircraft. In the case of the Malev flight the boarding passengers were soaked by near horizontal sleet/snow.
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I also regularly see the Irish airlines parked directly outside the terminal
PS Wasn't the new terminal supposed to be finished last month?
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An update on the Air Wales operations at Cork (all this information is available in other threads, but it might help to centralise them)
The Plymouth route will be moving to Exeter in January 2006.
They will take over the Cardiff route from BMIBaby in March 2006 (They already operate it, but the flights will be marketed as Air Wales from then).
Cork-Newquay is showing up in the Air Wales booking engine, but with no dates or times for flights yet.
The Plymouth route will be moving to Exeter in January 2006.
They will take over the Cardiff route from BMIBaby in March 2006 (They already operate it, but the flights will be marketed as Air Wales from then).
Cork-Newquay is showing up in the Air Wales booking engine, but with no dates or times for flights yet.
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I hope it works (NQY/ORK) for Air Wales, I have no idea of the market from Cork to Cornwall but feel particularly during the Winter there may not be a great demand from this end especially with flights from Exeter which will detract from any business generating from east of say Bodmin. Timings are crucial.
I would be interested to hear the views from the Cork end of the line?
Good luck Air Wales, hope you can make this and other routes stick here.
PS: Of course Cardiff to Cork was Air Wales launch and first route before the BMI deal....
I would be interested to hear the views from the Cork end of the line?
Good luck Air Wales, hope you can make this and other routes stick here.
PS: Of course Cardiff to Cork was Air Wales launch and first route before the BMI deal....
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Nobody knows then.
The new terminal was supposed to be open this year I think, but it isn't finished yet - it does look quite impressive though. I don't know what's happening to the present/old terminal when the new one opens.
The new terminal was supposed to be open this year I think, but it isn't finished yet - it does look quite impressive though. I don't know what's happening to the present/old terminal when the new one opens.
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I have herd in recent days that both FR and U2 are sniffing around @ ORK. Is this true, or a figment of peoples imaginations. Also noted that EI made noise about a 4th A320 @ ORK, is there any more news on that, and while on the subject of EI A32X's what have happened to the wonderful A321s, and have they been fitted with the new leather seats?
Thanks as always...
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Airliners.net had a posting a few days ago about easyJet putting another A319 into their Dortmund. If the regime at Cork had any phlegm there is every chance that a Dortmund - Cork might work especially if EI are not too keen to go ahead again with Munich for next summer?
The rumor about FR putting a second 737-800 into Cork to fly the Stansted routes and to a different UK destination would hardly be welcome at Cork in that it would take up yet another spot for overnight parking? What would the other UK destination be? LPL or would it be a new route to EMA or PIK?. A FR flight to EMA would put yet more pressure on RE with their services to BHX and WW too to a lesser extent? If it was to be PIK the RE flights to EDI would again be facing some stiff competition.
All round Aer Arann must be pretty peeved at the moment in regard to their operations at Cork be it soaking pax, parking and Celtic tiger competition from Ryanair!?
A Ryanair Cork - Europe? The snn base is so significant for FR it is hard to see them doing anything out of Cork to mainland Europe. Anyone know how the snn Europe flights are doing at the moment?
A 4th EI Airbus. Time is pressing on with this one. Perhaps the threat of a Ryanair response has something to do with the inaction?
Plymouth - Cork, if it is not broke don't fix it? I guess that in the days of Brymon if their had been a diversion to Newquay Brymon may have had a 'spare' aeroplane available at Plymouth to keep the schedule tight. Air Wales are not so lucky at Plymouth with diversions causing knock on delays etc? Waiting to be updated!
Whether the flights were operated by BN-2s, Cessna 337, Twin Otter, Dash 7, Dash 8 and now ATR-42 there has always been a niche market there between Cork and Plymouth. Air Southwest tried out Exeter with PA-31 and EMB-110 for a while but did not last. Different era now of course with far more people from all the socio-economic groups regularly flying. Newquay is more in the public eye now with both WW and FR both capturing a market so the local folk around the UK southwest are all ready softened up to the idea of a Newquay to Cork to complement an Exeter - Cork?
The rumor about FR putting a second 737-800 into Cork to fly the Stansted routes and to a different UK destination would hardly be welcome at Cork in that it would take up yet another spot for overnight parking? What would the other UK destination be? LPL or would it be a new route to EMA or PIK?. A FR flight to EMA would put yet more pressure on RE with their services to BHX and WW too to a lesser extent? If it was to be PIK the RE flights to EDI would again be facing some stiff competition.
All round Aer Arann must be pretty peeved at the moment in regard to their operations at Cork be it soaking pax, parking and Celtic tiger competition from Ryanair!?
A Ryanair Cork - Europe? The snn base is so significant for FR it is hard to see them doing anything out of Cork to mainland Europe. Anyone know how the snn Europe flights are doing at the moment?
A 4th EI Airbus. Time is pressing on with this one. Perhaps the threat of a Ryanair response has something to do with the inaction?
Plymouth - Cork, if it is not broke don't fix it? I guess that in the days of Brymon if their had been a diversion to Newquay Brymon may have had a 'spare' aeroplane available at Plymouth to keep the schedule tight. Air Wales are not so lucky at Plymouth with diversions causing knock on delays etc? Waiting to be updated!
Whether the flights were operated by BN-2s, Cessna 337, Twin Otter, Dash 7, Dash 8 and now ATR-42 there has always been a niche market there between Cork and Plymouth. Air Southwest tried out Exeter with PA-31 and EMB-110 for a while but did not last. Different era now of course with far more people from all the socio-economic groups regularly flying. Newquay is more in the public eye now with both WW and FR both capturing a market so the local folk around the UK southwest are all ready softened up to the idea of a Newquay to Cork to complement an Exeter - Cork?
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GROUNDHOG->Cork-Newquay can work if it can attract decent numbers of passengers from both ends. Newquay (and Cornwall in general) doesn't have the same profile in Ireland as in the UK and some marketing effort would be needed.
As regards the Aer Lingus A320. I heard mention of one arriving at the end of May, but I would regard the source as pretty unreliable.
As regards the Aer Lingus A320. I heard mention of one arriving at the end of May, but I would regard the source as pretty unreliable.
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The shortage of stands at Cork is chronic but that shouldn't stop Ryanair or Easyjet from expanding. There are times during the morning and early evening when there are up to eight stands free for several hours.
Cork management have traditionally been cautious in the kind of concessions they give to airlines but they'll probably have to be a bit more adventurous if they want to reach their 5 million per annum target for the new terminal.
An expansion by FR on UK routes would not greatly dilute their Shannon Traffic though it would probably get rid of many of the smaller regional operators such as Loganair, BMI Regional, Air Wales and Aer Arann.
However the first two listed have made no effort to grow the traffic on their Cork Routes so I don't see why management at Cork will be over concerned about them.
Cork management have traditionally been cautious in the kind of concessions they give to airlines but they'll probably have to be a bit more adventurous if they want to reach their 5 million per annum target for the new terminal.
An expansion by FR on UK routes would not greatly dilute their Shannon Traffic though it would probably get rid of many of the smaller regional operators such as Loganair, BMI Regional, Air Wales and Aer Arann.
However the first two listed have made no effort to grow the traffic on their Cork Routes so I don't see why management at Cork will be over concerned about them.
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Ryan2000> "...they'll probably have to be a bit more adventurous if they want to reach their 5 million per annum target for the new terminal..."
The new terminal has a design capacity of 3 million doesn't it? Management are forecasting 2.7m passengers for this year already!
The 5 million figure seems to be what the terminal can be expanded to handle, by adding a pier to the north towards (ie levelling?) the cargo village.
Chances of that pier being funded before 2050....?!!?
The new terminal has a design capacity of 3 million doesn't it? Management are forecasting 2.7m passengers for this year already!
The 5 million figure seems to be what the terminal can be expanded to handle, by adding a pier to the north towards (ie levelling?) the cargo village.
Chances of that pier being funded before 2050....?!!?
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Aer Rianta allowed the old terminal, capacity 1.1 m to cater
for 2 million per year before deciding to do something about it. It now has a throughput of 2.7m.
If the same attitude prevails in the future the new terminal will also handle far more pax than it can cater for. Maybe somone in the distant future will then decide that it needs a further extension.
Add in a parrallel taxiway, airbridges a possible runway extension and above all the need for additional parking stands and we see that Cork is in need of a major influx of investment if it is ever to reach its potential.
for 2 million per year before deciding to do something about it. It now has a throughput of 2.7m.
If the same attitude prevails in the future the new terminal will also handle far more pax than it can cater for. Maybe somone in the distant future will then decide that it needs a further extension.
Add in a parrallel taxiway, airbridges a possible runway extension and above all the need for additional parking stands and we see that Cork is in need of a major influx of investment if it is ever to reach its potential.
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surely they could add some extra parking across from the new terminal!*as seen below* loads of space there and the concrete wouldnt cost too much like, the same with the taxiway, its not going to add on too much to the project. Arghhh stupid irish government 
