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Regarding the new hangar(s).
Some posts further back mentioned that Eastern could up sticks and move it's base to another airport. Why should it. It has suitable hangar facilities for it's maintenance and a route stucture that allows aircraft to position back to Huy for maintenance without dead legging. What about the office staff. How many would not move if the company head quarters moved. Everything is in place. Don't fix what ain't broke.
Right the new hangar. Aircraft would have to dead leg in for maintenance. There are not established companies in the area that support heavy aircraft maintenance. There is not a ready supply of aircarft engineers in the local area. If contractors are used then there is a shortage of local accomodation.
So rather than speculate about new routes that could operate out of Huy, why not try and work out who would be prepared to fly there aircraft to Huy for maintenance....
Some posts further back mentioned that Eastern could up sticks and move it's base to another airport. Why should it. It has suitable hangar facilities for it's maintenance and a route stucture that allows aircraft to position back to Huy for maintenance without dead legging. What about the office staff. How many would not move if the company head quarters moved. Everything is in place. Don't fix what ain't broke.
Right the new hangar. Aircraft would have to dead leg in for maintenance. There are not established companies in the area that support heavy aircraft maintenance. There is not a ready supply of aircarft engineers in the local area. If contractors are used then there is a shortage of local accomodation.
So rather than speculate about new routes that could operate out of Huy, why not try and work out who would be prepared to fly there aircraft to Huy for maintenance....
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There is a considerable amount of maintenance traffic in both UK and Europe that cannot get serviced quickly enough. Which major UK airports could facilitate the space for engineering without causing probelms for the Lo-co's etc. There are minimal slos at LGW/MAN/LHR etc, land is scarce although only 14% of the UK is built upon (12% in 1996). before anyone asks that includes flattening out the mountains!!!
To a lesser or greater extent; depending upon one's point of view, engineering jobs may offer better prospects than Easyair3 to Pisa thrice daily- great to provide a service to 'joe public' at back-breaking rates for an Airport -and don't say Lo-co's do not drive the hardest bargain (usually 'cos they say they only sell tickets for a £1 -haven't been able to phone on the Monday and fly on the Tuesday for a £1!, but that is a different economic argument). OK agreed the Lo-co provides an opportunity for 3/5 people to earn an average of 15k (cabin and flight crew combined-according to some of the ad's I've seen) and ignoring the airport staff on shift, as they need to be at the airport 24/7 or whatever, likely the jobs will be seasonal with the cabin crew renting somewhere, an assumption based purely upon the nature of the job.
Engineering tends to be more stable if the reputation/track-record/pedigree is there for the company, the type of employee is usually degree+ possibly ex-RAF, therefore a more mature family person earning a high salary and likely to stay in the area, develop a loyalty to their place of work, so creating dedication and a boost to the economy.
It is all a matter of winning the business and I hope the guys at HUY do,... as I am so p..sd off reading in the paper about warehouse opportunities/TescoAsda blah blah being the panacea for the area -come on.
To a lesser or greater extent; depending upon one's point of view, engineering jobs may offer better prospects than Easyair3 to Pisa thrice daily- great to provide a service to 'joe public' at back-breaking rates for an Airport -and don't say Lo-co's do not drive the hardest bargain (usually 'cos they say they only sell tickets for a £1 -haven't been able to phone on the Monday and fly on the Tuesday for a £1!, but that is a different economic argument). OK agreed the Lo-co provides an opportunity for 3/5 people to earn an average of 15k (cabin and flight crew combined-according to some of the ad's I've seen) and ignoring the airport staff on shift, as they need to be at the airport 24/7 or whatever, likely the jobs will be seasonal with the cabin crew renting somewhere, an assumption based purely upon the nature of the job.
Engineering tends to be more stable if the reputation/track-record/pedigree is there for the company, the type of employee is usually degree+ possibly ex-RAF, therefore a more mature family person earning a high salary and likely to stay in the area, develop a loyalty to their place of work, so creating dedication and a boost to the economy.
It is all a matter of winning the business and I hope the guys at HUY do,... as I am so p..sd off reading in the paper about warehouse opportunities/TescoAsda blah blah being the panacea for the area -come on.
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Hello 7006 FAN.
Yes I am the same, I would like to see any new project take-off (pun intended), however my concern is there is not the quailifed staff in the area so to intice to move to the area costs must rise. Lo cost no like.
Unless you being from Brigg, I am wrong and the personnel to fill the jobs are in the area....
Yes I am the same, I would like to see any new project take-off (pun intended), however my concern is there is not the quailifed staff in the area so to intice to move to the area costs must rise. Lo cost no like.
Unless you being from Brigg, I am wrong and the personnel to fill the jobs are in the area....
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There maybe no suitably qualified staff in the immediate area but what about 30-40 miles away ie. some large RAF airbases around Lincoln? Also BAE at Brough?
The argument about dead-heading a/c seems hollow to me; what about Lasham? No scheduled flights in/out of there but a/c maintenance continues?
The argument about dead-heading a/c seems hollow to me; what about Lasham? No scheduled flights in/out of there but a/c maintenance continues?
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What is the philosophy
".. where the jobs are created, so soon do the people arrive to fill them..." or somesuch.
DC10, I think you hit 'nail on head' I think we all know the Armed forces are being shaved back and there are no doubt engineers about and in th market. knowing what a close knit bunch the RAF are word will soon get around. and once they see the quality of life available in the 'secret county' there will be no stopping them. Better get my farmhouse before the prices go through the roof. (saw one the other day in the paper 2 acres 5 beds all mains etc £220k, only snag was 2 miles to nearest pub)
".. where the jobs are created, so soon do the people arrive to fill them..." or somesuch.
DC10, I think you hit 'nail on head' I think we all know the Armed forces are being shaved back and there are no doubt engineers about and in th market. knowing what a close knit bunch the RAF are word will soon get around. and once they see the quality of life available in the 'secret county' there will be no stopping them. Better get my farmhouse before the prices go through the roof. (saw one the other day in the paper 2 acres 5 beds all mains etc £220k, only snag was 2 miles to nearest pub)
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Yes good for the airport if the potential jobs do appear. Using ex-RAF is not a simple matter, as there is a very steep learning curve to follow to move into civil aircraft maintenance. It has to be a very good employer who is prepared to help them.
Again my doubts for HUY, as a new undertaking must be staffed by experienced personnel.
Again my doubts for HUY, as a new undertaking must be staffed by experienced personnel.
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I sent this email to Flybe yesterday
and recieved this response back today
Is this just a standard reply or have Flybe picked DSA over HUY?
I run a website about Humberside Airport www.airhumberside.cjb.net and wondered if you have considered starting services from Humberside. There are many routes that in my opinion would be very popular and appear to fit your route network including Edinburgh, Belfast City and Jersey. I'm sure any services would be well suported as there is high demand for a low cost airline to serve Humberside.
Please pass this on to the relevant department
Please pass this on to the relevant department
I regret to inform you that there are currently no plans to operate a service between these destinations. However, if the decision is made to
start this service, i would like to advise you that it will be advertised in
the normal media sources.
Regards
start this service, i would like to advise you that it will be advertised in
the normal media sources.
Regards
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Airhumberside,
The request to FlyBe would illicit that sort of response, like most other businesses what they tell you is true, what they don't tell you is true, and what is in the middle may also be true!!!, what they deny is true, what they say is false is true, and what they say is true is false (Confused, you should be!!!). Their response does not mean they are not looking at DSA or HUY or LBA or NCL or MME and so forth, it may also mean they ARE looking at all of the above...OR NONE, who knows!!
EDI, BFS may be popular at other airports but will the routes work at HUY, is there the catchment etc, are these suitable routes and so forth. Ergo my previous post sometime back,
"why can't I catch a train from X to Y at nnn hour of the day -I want it, so what if no-one else does!"
Paris used to be a good route, as was LHR popular, but that was a long time ago in aviation terms... c. 4/5 years. Now we have Footie-Shirts-R-Us flying to everywhere for 4pence, scheduled services cannot compete and the HUY catchment somewhat restricts, although -that being said- the 2 hour drive-time is 11m people, maybe that is the key. But would anyone want to drive 2 hours from MAN/NCL for a 50 minute flight from HUY!!
But if the routes offered were not available from other airports...such as Brussells, Marsailles, Southampton, Copenhagen, Dusseldorf/Cologne etc might these work with a small plane (Jetstream, Dornier, Beech, etc?)
I do not think HUY will grab anything out of desperation, just to get Lo-co...it's pointless and may do more harm than good -what would it say about an Airport whose innaugural Lo-co failed through lack of interest from the travelling public, rather than the efforts of all at the airport -because regrettably that is how it would be perceived. BANNER HEADLINE "Humberside loses another flight" NOT "Locals not interested in route"
Like your postings, like your entusiasm, keep up the scribings coz we all wanna get there!!!
P.S. DSA what's that all about eh?
The request to FlyBe would illicit that sort of response, like most other businesses what they tell you is true, what they don't tell you is true, and what is in the middle may also be true!!!, what they deny is true, what they say is false is true, and what they say is true is false (Confused, you should be!!!). Their response does not mean they are not looking at DSA or HUY or LBA or NCL or MME and so forth, it may also mean they ARE looking at all of the above...OR NONE, who knows!!
EDI, BFS may be popular at other airports but will the routes work at HUY, is there the catchment etc, are these suitable routes and so forth. Ergo my previous post sometime back,
"why can't I catch a train from X to Y at nnn hour of the day -I want it, so what if no-one else does!"
Paris used to be a good route, as was LHR popular, but that was a long time ago in aviation terms... c. 4/5 years. Now we have Footie-Shirts-R-Us flying to everywhere for 4pence, scheduled services cannot compete and the HUY catchment somewhat restricts, although -that being said- the 2 hour drive-time is 11m people, maybe that is the key. But would anyone want to drive 2 hours from MAN/NCL for a 50 minute flight from HUY!!
But if the routes offered were not available from other airports...such as Brussells, Marsailles, Southampton, Copenhagen, Dusseldorf/Cologne etc might these work with a small plane (Jetstream, Dornier, Beech, etc?)
I do not think HUY will grab anything out of desperation, just to get Lo-co...it's pointless and may do more harm than good -what would it say about an Airport whose innaugural Lo-co failed through lack of interest from the travelling public, rather than the efforts of all at the airport -because regrettably that is how it would be perceived. BANNER HEADLINE "Humberside loses another flight" NOT "Locals not interested in route"
Like your postings, like your entusiasm, keep up the scribings coz we all wanna get there!!!
P.S. DSA what's that all about eh?
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Have to agree with 7006 Fan, would you divulge your future plans to an unsolicited email, like Air Humberside's boldness though.
Should FlyBe start services from HUY I can only see the HUY - ABZ route being of any intrest and no doubt would offer a price substantially lower than Eastern but is there a market big enough for two operators
Circseam
Should FlyBe start services from HUY I can only see the HUY - ABZ route being of any intrest and no doubt would offer a price substantially lower than Eastern but is there a market big enough for two operators
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Blimey,
Would not want to be around when the fur starts to fly if FlyBe do pitch for an ABZ from HUY!!! some of those ex RAF Jet Provosts that fly out of HUY might get tooled up again!!
My personal feeling is that a smallish turboprop operation ATR/Jetsream/Beech/Dornier should be profitable on the 'classic' short hop 'biz trip routes' Brussels/Paris/London City, as mentioned earlier they were available from HUY at one point or another (except perhaps City), not aware that any of the routes were failures in their own right, but more likely pushed out of slots due to demand at peak times, especially at 'hub' airports, the equation being:
20T@£15/T or 250T@£15/T!
If an operator could slot some 'code-share' onto the flight enough to cover part of the operating costs I would have thought it likely to work. Although no code share Alpha1 Airways shows that small is beautiful and can work.
Would not want to be around when the fur starts to fly if FlyBe do pitch for an ABZ from HUY!!! some of those ex RAF Jet Provosts that fly out of HUY might get tooled up again!!
My personal feeling is that a smallish turboprop operation ATR/Jetsream/Beech/Dornier should be profitable on the 'classic' short hop 'biz trip routes' Brussels/Paris/London City, as mentioned earlier they were available from HUY at one point or another (except perhaps City), not aware that any of the routes were failures in their own right, but more likely pushed out of slots due to demand at peak times, especially at 'hub' airports, the equation being:
20T@£15/T or 250T@£15/T!
If an operator could slot some 'code-share' onto the flight enough to cover part of the operating costs I would have thought it likely to work. Although no code share Alpha1 Airways shows that small is beautiful and can work.
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This all sounds excellent, I also see that they are joining car park 1&2, the Police heliport is coming on apace, the big hangar is clad and awaiting the doors. A real hive of indusrty at Humberside AND I have heard a new Europe scheduled route is on the cards -proper scheduled too, not lo-co!!!
Shame it is not a London
Shame it is not a London
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Could it be the much awaited return of Air France on the Paris run?
Other than that, I could only see something like Eastern to Brussels, maybe SN if we're lucky!
Regards
Mike
Other than that, I could only see something like Eastern to Brussels, maybe SN if we're lucky!
Regards
Mike