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The rail links between the HUY catchment area and London have improved greatly with the introduction of trains from Hull to London
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The rail network may be good to Hull but that would still incurr an additional charge to get to HUY thus adding more cost, using the M62/M18 (Hull to Doncaster is approx. 1/2 Hour away) to Doncaster Finningley may be more appealing and with the fact that the airport is offering cheaper flights to locations other than Amsterdam & Aberdeen I think HUY has missed the boat and like others have said HUY needs to find a niche other than lo-co's and regional operators.
And I have to disagree with you Mike concerning the Q400 operation, I just cant see the pax demand to make this a profitable route, even though I'd like to see more routes open up from HUY I just cant see a London route been able to compete with the rail route from Hull.
And I have to disagree with you Mike concerning the Q400 operation, I just cant see the pax demand to make this a profitable route, even though I'd like to see more routes open up from HUY I just cant see a London route been able to compete with the rail route from Hull.
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I think HUY has missed the boat and like others have said HUY needs to find a niche other than lo-co's and regional operators.
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Air Humberside - flying fish in from Iceland and the YET to be opened maintenance shed you quote is to pardon the pun "small fish", the airport , in the days of Spooner and Co has lacked vision and direction. The people of the area (inluding you and I, i presume?) want connections to destinations that other airports of comparable size have and at prices that are not only attractive but will generate further growth.
But alas, it seems that such operators see the airport like some posters on this thread does not have the catchment of pax to make such routes feasible.
Are you aware of operators that have tried to operate a network of routes from HUY and more importantly are they still around (obviously not counting Eastern Aw). The airport cannot sustain itself by relying on regional routes but the question many are asking is what niche do they aim for.
You seem to take people's constructive views and opinions as a personal attack, they are not, we both would like to see HUY prosper but also for the people in the region to be able to fly to routes other regional airports have and at a price that most people would want to pay.
How is the pint nowadays in the dirty duck?
But alas, it seems that such operators see the airport like some posters on this thread does not have the catchment of pax to make such routes feasible.
Are you aware of operators that have tried to operate a network of routes from HUY and more importantly are they still around (obviously not counting Eastern Aw). The airport cannot sustain itself by relying on regional routes but the question many are asking is what niche do they aim for.
You seem to take people's constructive views and opinions as a personal attack, they are not, we both would like to see HUY prosper but also for the people in the region to be able to fly to routes other regional airports have and at a price that most people would want to pay.
How is the pint nowadays in the dirty duck?
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I do not see how that was a personal attack. You said HUY needed to find a niche and I simply explained that the airport is developing some. Sorry if it sounded like an attack but I can assure it wasnt. I wasn't saying these niches will make the airport loads of money but every little helps
I believe Eurodirect tried to build up a regional network in the mid-1990's
I believe Eurodirect tried to build up a regional network in the mid-1990's
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Humberside was selected as one of Eurodirect's bases towards the end of it's eventful life. An ATP and a J31 were based there and along with away based a/c, operated to Aberdeen, Dublin, London Stansted, Bournemouth, Hamburg, Exeter, Paris and Brussels. Some of the routes were dead, STN in particular. DUB, ABZ and BRU did quite well with the DUB performing particularly well. Hamburg and Exeter were served via STN and BOH respectively and performed poorly. Paris was in the middle, but not a runaway success as the flights went via BOH. The problem with the STN was that it was in the days before low cost airlines, and although 9R offered some attractive fares to London, STN was not a well known entry point. They would have been better going into Gatwick. Eurodirect expanded too quickly, and if it had survived, I think it would have evolved into something along the lines of Flybe, with HUY a cornerstone of the Network.
Along airlines that have come and gone are:
Air France by Gill Airways to Paris CDG
Sabena by Eurodirect Belgie to Brussels
Cimber Air to Esbjerg and Sonderborg
Newair to Esbjerg
British Airways regional to Aberdeen
Brymon European to Belfast, Dublin and Glasgow
Air UK to Aberdeen, Amsterdam, Edinburgh, Norwich, London LHR, Jersey, Teesside and Esbjerg
Skyrover to Dusseldorf
The debate will go on over Humberside, no-one can forsee the future, but the airport is far from dead and burried.
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Along airlines that have come and gone are:
Air France by Gill Airways to Paris CDG
Sabena by Eurodirect Belgie to Brussels
Cimber Air to Esbjerg and Sonderborg
Newair to Esbjerg
British Airways regional to Aberdeen
Brymon European to Belfast, Dublin and Glasgow
Air UK to Aberdeen, Amsterdam, Edinburgh, Norwich, London LHR, Jersey, Teesside and Esbjerg
Skyrover to Dusseldorf
The debate will go on over Humberside, no-one can forsee the future, but the airport is far from dead and burried.
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Air Humberside - Your view on HUY is great and you deserve credit for defending your local airport and as regards to personal attacks, it was the WELL (as a matter of fact) that I personally didnt like as if your views are more important then others. But I dont wish to dwell on this matter or detract from a good thread and look forward to your views and posts on HUY.
EuroDirect did operate from the airport but was very shot lived, I did state airlines that HAVE operated from HUY and are NOT around now (excluding Eastern Aw). Some of said operators Peregrine Aw / Skyrover / Eastern Mk 1 / Genair & Citi-bus, to name but a few.
Found this on another thread and makes intresting reading regarding the catchment area, I and a few others have discussed on this thread, does this imply that their is a big enough catchment for HUY ?
from “The future development of air transport in the UK: North of England”
Page 42, Table 2.2 ‘Population Catchment’
1 hour road catchement population
MAN 5-7 million
LPL 5-7 million
LBA 3-5 million
MME 2-3 million
NCL 2-3 million
HUY 0.6 – 1 million
2 hour road catchment population
LBA 16-18 million
MAN 15-17 million
LPL 13-15 million
HUY 10-11 million
MME 6-7 million
NCL 3-4 million
data per DLTR NAAM model.
EuroDirect did operate from the airport but was very shot lived, I did state airlines that HAVE operated from HUY and are NOT around now (excluding Eastern Aw). Some of said operators Peregrine Aw / Skyrover / Eastern Mk 1 / Genair & Citi-bus, to name but a few.
Found this on another thread and makes intresting reading regarding the catchment area, I and a few others have discussed on this thread, does this imply that their is a big enough catchment for HUY ?
from “The future development of air transport in the UK: North of England”
Page 42, Table 2.2 ‘Population Catchment’
1 hour road catchement population
MAN 5-7 million
LPL 5-7 million
LBA 3-5 million
MME 2-3 million
NCL 2-3 million
HUY 0.6 – 1 million
2 hour road catchment population
LBA 16-18 million
MAN 15-17 million
LPL 13-15 million
HUY 10-11 million
MME 6-7 million
NCL 3-4 million
data per DLTR NAAM model.
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I should be the operating senior on the inaugral Astraeus Humberside-Malaga flight!!! Sunday May 1st 
Flight planned to operate on a LGW based 757-200.
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Flight planned to operate on a LGW based 757-200.
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I understand Humberside had a couple of visitors in the last few days.
A Dornier transporting the U21 German footie team.
A Bombardier CRJ/Global (I want one of these
) transporting the PM.
Oh AND Humberside service is nearly unaffected by Finningley, might be 1 flight down for the summer which is a lesser attrition rate than most other airports have experienced in the IT downturn . Any bets on the duration of the TUI Dublin at Finningley? 
AND before anyone starts carping about the KLM F50, believe it or not KLM have to carry out servicing of the fleet and the 50 is the 'service supply' vehicle. Expect the return of the 70 or even a 100 soon.
A Dornier transporting the U21 German footie team.
A Bombardier CRJ/Global (I want one of these
) transporting the PM.Oh AND Humberside service is nearly unaffected by Finningley, might be 1 flight down for the summer which is a lesser attrition rate than most other airports have experienced in the IT downturn
. Any bets on the duration of the TUI Dublin at Finningley? AND before anyone starts carping about the KLM F50, believe it or not KLM have to carry out servicing of the fleet and the 50 is the 'service supply' vehicle. Expect the return of the 70 or even a 100 soon.
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Just been looking at proposed summer flight schedule and number of holiday flights appears to be @26/week. This is the same number as offered back in 2002. Only significant loss this year is Corfu(not sure about Fuerteventura though? )but HUY has gained flights to other destinations in the last couple of years; Heraklion, Bourgas and Bodrum. For a relatively small airport I think the choice of destinations is very good.
Regards the AMS schedule; KLMC seem to be always tinkering with schedules/capacity. I've used this service many times in the last 7 years and recall the following changes for weekdays:
3 x F50 then 3 x F100s then 4 x F50s then 6 x F50s then 5 x F50s then 4 x F50s then 3 x F70s then 2 x F70s + 1 x F50 and now back to 3 x F70s..what is going on?
Regards the AMS schedule; KLMC seem to be always tinkering with schedules/capacity. I've used this service many times in the last 7 years and recall the following changes for weekdays:
3 x F50 then 3 x F100s then 4 x F50s then 6 x F50s then 5 x F50s then 4 x F50s then 3 x F70s then 2 x F70s + 1 x F50 and now back to 3 x F70s..what is going on?
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Thanks for posting what those unusual flights where 7006 fan. Had wondered what they where. Any chnace of the Cirrus still being in tomorrow morning?
FUE has never actually been operated in recent years from HUY it has always been announced but later quietly dropped, same with Varna
While the only destination lost is Corfu, in some cases frequencies have been reduced (eg Menorca down from 2 to 1 a week)
Only significant loss this year is Corfu(not sure about Fuerteventura though? )
While the only destination lost is Corfu, in some cases frequencies have been reduced (eg Menorca down from 2 to 1 a week)
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Does anyone know who (i.e. the company or individual) who plan to operate the new maintenance shed being constructed?
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Thanks Air Humberside
Found following link , but not much to go on, find the spelling mistake "Links" instead of Lincs a tadge unprofessional but i'm intrested to see what market they plan to attract
Wings aerospace
Found following link , but not much to go on, find the spelling mistake "Links" instead of Lincs a tadge unprofessional but i'm intrested to see what market they plan to attract
Wings aerospace