Humberside Happenings
 

Anyone got any news or rumours about Humberside.

Malaga flights are being axed next summer
New maintenance facility being built

Any one know any more about possible Cimber Air/SAS flights to Copenhagen

Unfortunately, the title 'Humberside Happenings' is more like 'Humberside, nothing is happening':{

Humberside had a great portfolio of holiday routes this past summer, and it would seem that with the emergence of DSA on the local scene, it may well be the busiest year HUY ever has. Right back from the mid nineties, HUY has failed to attract any significant new operators, it has seemingly missed the low cost bandwagon, and is set for a life in the shadows of its neighbours LBA and DSA. DSA will handle more passengers in it's firts year of operations, than HUY ever has.

Humberside will keep the Aberdeen and Amsterdam routes, the KLM is always full. Eastern make good money on the ABZ.

Paris, Brussels, Dusseldorf, Esbjerg, Dublin, Belfast, London, Jersey, Edinburgh and Glasgow have all been tried in the past, and most were successful, however, HUY appears to have suffered from unsecure operators, and the HUY part of their operations, such as Gill, EuroDirect and Brymon played very little part in their future strategies or fates.

There is definitely a market for low cost flights from HUY. Before the advent of DSA, an airline could have easily operated something in the 100-150 seat category, successfully to the likes of Alicante, Malaga, Palma, Faro, Barcelona, Prague, Nice, Jersey, Dublin, Belfast, Amsterdam and Paris, with even a potential LGW link. Now however, the market has been even more segmented and anything more than 100 seats would be very ambitious. HUY has handled more pax than Exeter, Bournemouth, Inverness and Norwich for several years now, however, they were picked ahead of HUY for low cost expansion.

Time will tell, but with the axing of holiday flights from Humberside to Malaga, Fuerteventura, Corfu and Paphos in recent times, the future does not look as rosy as it once did.

I am hoping for a miracle, but in the real world, they just don't happen!

Regards

Mike

I do believe that for a few years now Fuerteventura has been announced but never started - same with Varna.

At least Plovdiv starts on next Sunday and we Antalya next year

I think either Flybe or EU Jet would be perfect for HUY. They could Alicante, Malaga etc and also nearer destinations like Dublin. They would be using the Dash 8-Q400 and Fokker 100 which wouln't be too big for the market.

There are rumours of a new airline coming to HUY to compete with Eastern to Aberdeen, possibly Flybe or City Star - anyone know any more?

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Are Excel replacing Viking to Heraklion next year?

Anyone got any details on this years Lapland flights or the fish flights - airline, times etc. This week there was a Tu-204 of Aviapaualanga on Wednesday's fish flight

Unfortunately I think it's going to be all to late for Humberside's venture into the low cost market.

DSA will shortly be announcing their low cost operators, and if my information is correct, that will include AMS, DUB, ABZ, and EDI.
That may have an impact on Easterns HUY - ABZ and KLMs HUY - AMS route, as I understand that the DSA flights will offer a day return option, something that hasn't happened before.

Sadly, HUY management have always had a very arrogant attitude towards low cost, largely because, I think, that they think DSA would never happen - it seems theyve blown it.

Although the recently announced FlyBe routes from NWI do not offer the day return option, and will have no impact on Eastern's routes, I understand that they plan an NWI - AMS route with interline facilities at AMS.
This will virtually erase KLM from NWI and not before time, and the same could happen elsewhere in the UK.
It appears that KLM couldnt give a toss about the regional - AMS routes or their customers, the sooner they change their attitude or go, the better.

Given the future prospects, one has to ask if MAN PLC, having bought HUY for the political reasons that have served their purposes, will unload it for a token gesture back to the local authority (or Eastern Airways:E ).

Thomson Fly will fly from Doncaster to Dublin, Paris CDG and some more destinations

Are Flybe planning NWI-AMS?

From a poster on my forums:

The police helicopter wil be using part of the helicopter terminal
Fish flights will go up to 3xweekly

Fuerteventura and Varna have indeed been announced and then not taken up in the end. I have always doubted Fuerteventura, but was always sure Varna would be a hit, with Bourgas getting twice weekly flights.

Plovdiv was great news, but the flight is twinned with Newcastle, Via NCL out the outbound. Still a weekly shared ski flight is better than nothing. Antalya is a slight help, however there was no news article on the HUY website, and it is only a month long series.

I agree that Flybe. would be the best option for Humberside, something along the lines of:

Aberdeen daily Q400
Edinburgh daily Q400
Glasgow daily Q400
Belfast BHD daily Q400
Dublin daily Q400
London LGW 2xdaily Q400
Jersey 2xweekly Q400
Amsterdam daily Q400
Paris CDG daily Q400
Alicante 146
Malaga 146
Palma 146
Faro 146

Alternatively, EUjet with an F100 could try Dublin, Jersey, Amsterdam, Malaga, Palma, Alicante, Faro, Barcelona and Prague.

I don't think there is anyone planning to compete on the HUY-ABZ run, but if anything, I would expect Flybe.

The Heraklion is in as Viking again, MD83.

I know Astraeus operate a lot of one off Santa and day trip flights from HUY, mainly with MAN based 737-700s.

Maybe DSA is getting Flybe.?

Both the ABZ and AMS options from HUY offer day returns, they always have done!

I do not believe that even with Flybe on the NWI-AMS or even HUY-AMS routes, that KLM would suffer too badly. They have a very loyal and trusting customer base, and take a look at the likes of Jet2 at LBA or Easyjet at BRS, KLM are still operating profitably, even with the intervening of low cost carriers on the LBA and BRS-AMS routes respectively. KLM provide excellent connections through AMS, and have shown more commitment to the UK regional market than most.

regards

Mike

Anyone know why todays Monarch Lapland flight was cancelled

KLMs connecting flights to AMS are virtually free if booking through flights long haul,so I think they would continue.

I also think if HUY was sold off,it could develop into a thorn in the others' sides,like Prestwick. I think BAA thought it would die when they sold it. Now eating into Glasgow's traffic big time.

Most passengers on the KLM HUY-AMS flights are connecting at Schiphol onto other KLM services hence even if another operator say Flybe started competing flights then KLM services will still survive. Who could Flybe/another interline with at Schiphol? Hence all their passengers would be using it solely as a point to point service. KLM are not really interested in this type of passenger; if you want to do a day return the minimum fare is £358!! You can get a connecting flight for only another £20-30 into Europe.

I think HUY will only be as good as the region it serves, and the catchment, although large is soaked up by all the other majors. The population is less desirable for LCC in terms of the demographics. I'm sure it could reach a through-put of between 750 and 1 million pax annually but as for the routes, they will be overspill from DSA etc. There is no scope for inbound tourism...

What about charters for Lincoln Christmas Market?

Why charters for the Lincoln Christmas Market?

Just about every town and city accross Germany, and I believe many other countries has a Christmas Market. Good ones, such as Lincoln's are a novelty in UK.

Why should anyone from "Euroland" fly to the UK, having to change currency in the process, just to visit something that they can go to in a town or city much closer to them.

We'll have to offer something a bit more unique than that to get our European cousins to come here.

Market Cleethorpes as the UK's premier east coast resort and they'll becomming in their planeloads..........NOT!


HUY has missed the boat for the LC's, the market for such routes has been discussed on this site many times, there just isnt the demand to fill a 737 / A319 on scheduled routes, the airport will just become an even more of backwater regional airport than it is now with the opening of Donny International.

Eastern will probably remain at HUY as a base, the few GA a/c that are based their and the helicopter operation servicing the Humber estuary gas rigs but as for the AMS flight and the charters, I just cant see them remaining at HUY.

Whats more important is the fact that it will always be my favourite regional airport but I'm just a realist whom feels that HUY has missed its chance.

Circseam

If KLM can fill their flights, every day of the week, and make money from them, why would they move them down the road to DSA??? Especially if the hinted at DSA-Amsterdam low cost operation comes into action???

Regards

Mike

Because they might be able to fill them more easily, or at higher yields than they are able to do at HUY. If they can't, I rather suspect they won't bother. Worth remembering though that KLM UK seemed to have no trouble putting bums on seats at both SZD and EMA which is relevant for 2 reasons. Firstly, full aircraft are no gurantee of longevity. Secondly, DSA is arguably in the centre of the SZD, HUY and EMA catchment areas and KLM might think a higher capacity operation from Doncaster might better serve that part of the world than 3 a day from HUY.

682

What a load of tosh:rolleyes:

Regards

Mike

I would not have thought that a 146 (particularly a 146-300, on which the seat/mile costs are markedly better than the -200) would stand a remote chance of hacking HUY-ALC / AGP / PMI / FAO with anything like a full payload. It is a very short-haul aircraft would struggle like hell to manage a 1200nm sector. Quite apart from anything else, it would take all day to fly one rotation at the speed at which those things cruise.

Mike

My point concerning the AMS operation is the fact that Donny will have a bigger catchment area for pax thus allowing bigger equipment to service the route.

As for the current route from HUY, is it full everyday?? The old Air Uk when they based a F.27 overnight at HUY never was full, in fact 40-50% full


Maybe Tosh to you but everyone like yourself is entitled to an opinion however bizarre!

Fish flights are to go daily