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Re this 188 "all ecconomy" seating. I picked up on this & frankly can't get my head around it !
Graham, both those config's have clearly set out two class cabins.
The clue to AA's thinking is that they clearly set out as to how many seats are available ie 188. "Config 1" as it happens has 188 seats though call it what you may, the front section is "not ecconomy". I believe the seats up front are 38" pitch & clearly much wider so what is the strategy ?
AA may indeed allocate these seats to frequent flyers, who presumably are predominantly "executives" on company travel programs where presumably "flexability" renders their fares higher than a basic "tourist" fare, but are they simply a "freebie" ie a "quasi upgrade" as they appreciate their custom ?
It really does not make a lot of sense, are they "not saying" you can have a better seat if you pay more but we are not calling it first as we are not providing " the caviar & champagne" ?
THis way they can presumably keep overheads down as less crew & overheads required to attend to what they identify as a very small market. They must feel that the fall in revenue yield on removing the two class basis is less than that gained on eliminating this overhead.
In the early 90's I flew NCL to MCO on a number of carriers 757's, they were "one class" :- "basically bog standard"- 200 plus passengers, ie sardines, no personal IFE etc. Clearly on 188 seats in any config AA is not down that route, but do they have a "unique selling point" that they are to project?, after all it is their choice to emphasise 188 on their initial advertising.
Graham, both those config's have clearly set out two class cabins.
The clue to AA's thinking is that they clearly set out as to how many seats are available ie 188. "Config 1" as it happens has 188 seats though call it what you may, the front section is "not ecconomy". I believe the seats up front are 38" pitch & clearly much wider so what is the strategy ?
AA may indeed allocate these seats to frequent flyers, who presumably are predominantly "executives" on company travel programs where presumably "flexability" renders their fares higher than a basic "tourist" fare, but are they simply a "freebie" ie a "quasi upgrade" as they appreciate their custom ?
It really does not make a lot of sense, are they "not saying" you can have a better seat if you pay more but we are not calling it first as we are not providing " the caviar & champagne" ?
THis way they can presumably keep overheads down as less crew & overheads required to attend to what they identify as a very small market. They must feel that the fall in revenue yield on removing the two class basis is less than that gained on eliminating this overhead.
In the early 90's I flew NCL to MCO on a number of carriers 757's, they were "one class" :- "basically bog standard"- 200 plus passengers, ie sardines, no personal IFE etc. Clearly on 188 seats in any config AA is not down that route, but do they have a "unique selling point" that they are to project?, after all it is their choice to emphasise 188 on their initial advertising.
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They are selling all the seats as Economy, but allocating the F seats to those paying full price, and also to AA frequent flyers.
I have no problem with this, but why not make more revenue & market it as such. A BA upgrade is £150 per sector min, so AA would have more potential revenue if up front. What I suspect that you will get is "checkin mayhem" when "the wise" attempt to secure these "premium seats" as it won't be long before word gets around.
Your basis only works when ideally you have exactly the number of candidates to match the premium seats, which will happen just about never !
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Oh dear. This is probably one of the worst things that could have happened to NCL. As the drunken, egotistical Head of Operations for NIA blurted out at the races last month (and yes, unfortunately he does still work for NIA), your sensitive commercial secrets are safe with us. 
Although almost everyone knew about it beforehand anyway. I wonder what AA think about that little indiscretion, given that it's given Mr J Terrorist a heads up and a chance to get plans organised for the inevitable disruptive tactics that will now ensue.
Although almost everyone knew about it beforehand anyway. I wonder what AA think about that little indiscretion, given that it's given Mr J Terrorist a heads up and a chance to get plans organised for the inevitable disruptive tactics that will now ensue.
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So by your logic every big airline who announces a new route is a potential "heads up" for terrorists?
Utter rubbish !
WELL DONE to all at NCL,a great announcement.
So by your logic every big airline who announces a new route is a potential "heads up" for terrorists?
Utter rubbish !
WELL DONE to all at NCL,a great announcement.
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2 configs
Most of my time on AA has been on the MD-80s, but the two configurations for the 757s stem -- I believe-- from the inclusion of some of the ex-TWA fleet.
Haven't a clue about which they'll use, and I think the "all coach 188 seat" has to be a misstatement.
Haven't a clue about which they'll use, and I think the "all coach 188 seat" has to be a misstatement.
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OK, well we'll just wait and see shall we 
You 
obviously have no grasp of reality. You obviously have no idea of the implications that this route will have on the way things will have to tighten up security wise and the knock on effects this will have on other lower profile (in terms of risk) operations. The possibilities for breaches of security to happen are numerous and would be very easy to exploit if one had the incentive to do so. I put it to you that an easy US target would possibly provide that incentive. Best keep clear of the approach and departure routes once this thing starts operating.
I have a life and intend to enjoy it for as long as I can. Thanks for your concern though
You obviously have no grasp of reality. You obviously have no idea of the implications that this route will have on the way things will have to tighten up security wise and the knock on effects this will have on other lower profile (in terms of risk) operations. The possibilities for breaches of security to happen are numerous and would be very easy to exploit if one had the incentive to do so. I put it to you that an easy US target would possibly provide that incentive. Best keep clear of the approach and departure routes once this thing starts operating.I have a life and intend to enjoy it for as long as I can. Thanks for your concern though
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Oh dear. This is probably one of the worst things that could have happened to NCL.
given that it's given Mr J Terrorist a heads up
You obviously have no idea of the implications that this route will have on the way things will have to tighten up security wise
Best keep clear of the approach and departure routes
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I presume you also stay clear of roads and travelling in road vehicles.
An average of ten people are killed on UK roads every day of the year, over 3,500 in total each twelve months.
Your chances of dying this way are infinitely greater than being killed by terrorist action.
My little local airport at Bristol has had a near similar service since May (CO to EWR) but I am not aware of any greater concerns around there than before. I understand that CO demand certain procedures that the airport was not used to but things seem to be panning out ok - just need a few more pax for the route.
Have a long and happy life - but watch out for those cars.
I presume you also stay clear of roads and travelling in road vehicles.
An average of ten people are killed on UK roads every day of the year, over 3,500 in total each twelve months.
Your chances of dying this way are infinitely greater than being killed by terrorist action.
My little local airport at Bristol has had a near similar service since May (CO to EWR) but I am not aware of any greater concerns around there than before. I understand that CO demand certain procedures that the airport was not used to but things seem to be panning out ok - just need a few more pax for the route.
Have a long and happy life - but watch out for those cars.
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Maybe Sppedtape has experience of the non-existent checks at the staff checkpoints for airside workers, in which case he has every right to express his concern. You can check the punters all day long, but it's all a bit pointless when the threat wears an airside pass and gets through every day with little more than a wave of the hands in their general direction.
Also, don't expect a speedy response from the dedicated security professionals to unattended baggage either, even given this last month's events. Still far more worried about hot coffee being smuggled through the search area.
Also, don't expect a speedy response from the dedicated security professionals to unattended baggage either, even given this last month's events. Still far more worried about hot coffee being smuggled through the search area.
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Theres a bit more info on the NYC service here American Airlines.
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This is absoloutley fantastic news for my home airport!
I will most definatley be taking a weekend break to New York, at the ease of flying from Newcastle!
It'll also be nice to see the shiney bird on the geordie tarmac!
Still abit confused as to why they have used a 757 for the route though, especially since all seats are economy class!!
I will most definatley be taking a weekend break to New York, at the ease of flying from Newcastle!
It'll also be nice to see the shiney bird on the geordie tarmac!
Still abit confused as to why they have used a 757 for the route though, especially since all seats are economy class!!
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It's a shame about HLX. lets hope they have another crack at it next summer or maybe another airline is going to pick up the work? germanwings or air berlin maybe?
Back on about excel
New flights for them upto now are as follows
Wednesday - FUE
Thursdays - FAO,SSH
Saturdays - SZG
Sundays - SSH
Does anybody have anything else?
Great news about AA.
Back on about excel
New flights for them upto now are as follows
Wednesday - FUE
Thursdays - FAO,SSH
Saturdays - SZG
Sundays - SSH
Does anybody have anything else?
Great news about AA.