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What impact (if any) will the decision of RYR to chop BHD have on Derry? Route transfer seems unlikely, but perhaps Derry can take a share of the 800K pax who used RYR out of BHD.
But could Belfast's loss be Derry's gain? LDY lost the Bristol route to BHD. I doubt however it will return. The numbers were too low. However I would have thought that BHD losing 800K pax p.a. (about 25% of BHD's total, about 10% of total passenger numbers in Northern Ireland) will mean increased demand for remaining routes from NI so it will surely have some impact mostly presumably for people who live somewhere between LDY and BFS/BHD and for whom either airport would suffice.
I do think that it will mean more European routes from LDY, routes that might otherwise have been operated instead from BHD.
FR will return to BHD when the runway extension is completed.
As for European routes; I only suggest a couple more bucket and spade destinations. Malaga is a no-brainer, and as Speedbird said, Faro and Alicante will return too. As for any further expansion, I doubt it. Aer Arann are going down the toilet (more's the pity), and BE will probably now concentrate on taking up some slack at BHD.
RYR at BFS? I can't see it. MOL seems to dislike the place intensely (maybe he too has spent 6 hours delayed there, with no info, and **** all to do).
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"Northern Ireland unfortunately has failed to meet requirements for Ryanair." - Edwin Poots, Northern Ireland's planning minister (Guardian 31st August 2010) Ryanair to pull out of Belfast City airport over runway delays | Business | The Guardian
Need I point out that Northern Ireland is not infact Belfast?
No, no Amelia. He's spot on. The roads to LDY and the NW in general are so sh*te, that no one would consider it sensible to have a RYR base there. Ergo, Northern Ireland has indeed failed!
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Aer Arann base?
I've noticed that from November 1st, the timetable would suggest that an aircraft is making a night stop at LDY. The times are the same as were going to be available around the time of the proposed MAN and EDI flights. First flight out is 07.40, and the a/c is back at LDY for 09.45. Is there some good news on the horizon? Seems an odd time for RE to be expanding with all of their money woes currently ongoing. You could argue though, that they could be trying to get themselves back on track with some new profitable routes
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I'll not get my hopes up just yet though, but fingers crossed eh?
. I'll not get my hopes up just yet though, but fingers crossed eh?
Those timings would indeed suggest a based ATR, which would be great news.
If it does signal further RE routes, I just don't understand what's different between now and back in May (apart from a carrier who managed ~800K pax last year disappearing from up the road).
Fingers crossed all the same!
If it does signal further RE routes, I just don't understand what's different between now and back in May (apart from a carrier who managed ~800K pax last year disappearing from up the road).
Fingers crossed all the same!
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Cuthere, when you gave July's figures I did wonder whether you had accounted for 3 flights per week to Faro, but you had. For completeness here are the figures again with the corresponding passenger numbers which you had ommited (but had included in June's figures):
Destination: pax/load/load %
Faro: 4285/178.5/94.4%
Alicante: 2870/159.4/84.3%
Palma: 1427/178.4/94.4%
Reus: 1399/174.8/92.5%
Alicante seeming to lag behind the others a bit particularly when considered against Faro which is three flights per week as opposed to Alicante's two, the other two destinations being weekly charters.
Ryanair's average loading over the year is 82% but was 89% for July. I wonder what if anything this will mean for LDY-ALC.
As previously stated, Malaga would be a no brainer for next year given that twice as many people travel to there from Northern Ireland than to either Faro or Alicante. But given that Reus and Palma each attracted 1400 pax in July on a weekly charter flight (albeit over a shorter charter season) could LDY support a longer season of twice weekly Ryanair flights to those destinations? I think so. But would that necessarily mean the end of the charter services, an all in holiday package being quite a different animal to Ryanair's offerings?
Destination: pax/load/load %
Faro: 4285/178.5/94.4%
Alicante: 2870/159.4/84.3%
Palma: 1427/178.4/94.4%
Reus: 1399/174.8/92.5%
Alicante seeming to lag behind the others a bit particularly when considered against Faro which is three flights per week as opposed to Alicante's two, the other two destinations being weekly charters.
Ryanair's average loading over the year is 82% but was 89% for July. I wonder what if anything this will mean for LDY-ALC.
As previously stated, Malaga would be a no brainer for next year given that twice as many people travel to there from Northern Ireland than to either Faro or Alicante. But given that Reus and Palma each attracted 1400 pax in July on a weekly charter flight (albeit over a shorter charter season) could LDY support a longer season of twice weekly Ryanair flights to those destinations? I think so. But would that necessarily mean the end of the charter services, an all in holiday package being quite a different animal to Ryanair's offerings?
Yeah Amelia, the Faro numbers are very impressive.
I too had thought I had miscalculated when I did the July stats. RYR's assertion that they added an extra flight due to "phenomenal demand" wasn't just bluster after all.
Let's hope, off the back of these very good numbers, summer 2011 brings a few more routes.
I too had thought I had miscalculated when I did the July stats. RYR's assertion that they added an extra flight due to "phenomenal demand" wasn't just bluster after all.
Let's hope, off the back of these very good numbers, summer 2011 brings a few more routes.
I see WH Smith and a duty free shop have opened in the departures hall. All we need now is some more pax to use them!
Speedbird, the RE times for the winter schedule have reverted to a DUB based ATR doing the first flight of the day. Must've been a clerical error.
Speedbird, the RE times for the winter schedule have reverted to a DUB based ATR doing the first flight of the day. Must've been a clerical error.
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Yeah I noticed the RE times had changed. They must have read our posts!
Interestingly for the past few days the outbound RE281 has departed to Sligo and not Dublin. What's going on there?
Didn't see WH Smith coming. That was a surprise indeed. Hopefully we can get the added PAX through to use it!
Rwy 26 approach lighting getting a massive overhaul. Various cranes/boats/equipment out on the lough performing the work as we speak. Should be a lot better than the current line of white strobes.
Also ATC are getting some new equiment in the tower. We must be the most modern looking airport , with the least amount of services.
Interestingly for the past few days the outbound RE281 has departed to Sligo and not Dublin. What's going on there?Didn't see WH Smith coming. That was a surprise indeed. Hopefully we can get the added PAX through to use it!
Rwy 26 approach lighting getting a massive overhaul. Various cranes/boats/equipment out on the lough performing the work as we speak. Should be a lot better than the current line of white strobes.
Also ATC are getting some new equiment in the tower. We must be the most modern looking airport , with the least amount of services.
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Duty Free at LDY? But surely duty free is only for international flights?
Is this for the few Portugese and Spanish tourists on the Faro and Alicante routes that operate 7 months a year in case they wish to purchase expensive cigarettes?
Or can it be used by those on the soon to be pulled Dublin route?
Either way, how bizarre!
Is this for the few Portugese and Spanish tourists on the Faro and Alicante routes that operate 7 months a year in case they wish to purchase expensive cigarettes?
Or can it be used by those on the soon to be pulled Dublin route?
Either way, how bizarre!
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They have just started the installation today. They are currently boring the holes into the mudflats on the lough, so it may be a while before it is complete.
Yes it will be a complete 5 bar installation, and the strobes are staying too. The main reason for this is so pilots can more positively identify the field on the approach to 26. Even with the warnings on the approach plates there have still been too many unwelcome descents into Ballykelly over the years
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Would be great if we had an ATIS where an announcement could be made at the end of broadcast about the close proximity of Ballykelly. ILS25, don't BFS do that when 07 in use to warn about Langford Lodge?
Yes it will be a complete 5 bar installation, and the strobes are staying too. The main reason for this is so pilots can more positively identify the field on the approach to 26. Even with the warnings on the approach plates there have still been too many unwelcome descents into Ballykelly over the years
.Would be great if we had an ATIS where an announcement could be made at the end of broadcast about the close proximity of Ballykelly. ILS25, don't BFS do that when 07 in use to warn about Langford Lodge?
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Yes, they do make that announcement about Langford, ATC also ask the pilot to report when they have the runway lights in sight before giving clearance to land on 07.
Great to hear about the improvements at LDY, at least someone is prepared to spend some money on infrastructure.
Great to hear about the improvements at LDY, at least someone is prepared to spend some money on infrastructure.
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Alicante - LDY carried 2985 pax in August equating to 166 pax per flight or a loading factor of 88%.
For comparison, Knock carried 4490 pax albeit with 3 flights per week while Kerry carried 2719. I haven't got load factors for those as I'm unsure how many flights those represent. (Knock also has flights to Reus as well as Faro so there's hope for LDY yet).
For no comparison at all, BFS carried 15415 pax.
(The above figures are from www.aena.es).
For comparison, Knock carried 4490 pax albeit with 3 flights per week while Kerry carried 2719. I haven't got load factors for those as I'm unsure how many flights those represent. (Knock also has flights to Reus as well as Faro so there's hope for LDY yet).
For no comparison at all, BFS carried 15415 pax.
(The above figures are from www.aena.es).
According to RYR timetables, Kerry has 3x week (Sat, Mon and Wed) to Alicante, meaning if the figures provided are correct, loads are pretty poor.
Puts LDY loading into perspective (though, as always, yields are a mystery!).
Puts LDY loading into perspective (though, as always, yields are a mystery!).