Maun 2008-2009 season
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Guys stop it, you're making me so jealous!
In fact, my wife would be quite irate at my constant rantings of wanting to head over on the next plane if she didn't want to go over there herself! I reckon give it another year (yeah, usual story, eh?) and we'll both be over - she is lacking in the commercial licence department at the moment, but well on the way...
Waiterpilot, I wish you the very best of luck, and I hope everything works out well for you (on both sides of the world). Your posts have been a great read, and with an attitude like yours I'm sure you'll have no probs getting on with everyone and landing that job. As long as you don't smell of trout
In fact, my wife would be quite irate at my constant rantings of wanting to head over on the next plane if she didn't want to go over there herself! I reckon give it another year (yeah, usual story, eh?) and we'll both be over - she is lacking in the commercial licence department at the moment, but well on the way...
Waiterpilot, I wish you the very best of luck, and I hope everything works out well for you (on both sides of the world). Your posts have been a great read, and with an attitude like yours I'm sure you'll have no probs getting on with everyone and landing that job. As long as you don't smell of trout
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Round 2....
Right, where was I in this epic monologue?
Asking for jobs
Once you have chilled at Audi for the night, and negotiated the horrors of the beetle killing fields for your morning wash, you will probably want to go out and get yourself known to some of the companies.
So, get up early, throw your CV's, headset, licenses and logbooks in your bag and head off. Best way to get into town is by combi, these are small minivan things that patrol the main road just outside the camp. Stand outside, do the universal sign of the hitchiker and get ready for a sweaty excursion. It is 3 pula into town - and a good 15 minutes to get in. When you want to get off (near the petrol station) just shriek or something and they will let you out. One thing you will notice is how much more friendly everybody is - it's not like the UK where everyone sits ashen face reading the Metro, miserable and cold. Everyone is happy and talking to you trying to make you feel welcome. So that's nice.
The office's are pretty easy to spot, Moremi and Kavango are in the airport 'terminal' upstairs. Delta air is just across the road from the airport inside the gates (and cattle grid), Sefo is a bit further up this road too, Mack air is next to bon arrive, and Safari Air is up another road (so that narrows it down doesn't it?)
You will go in, say I'm new in town looking for a pilot job, and then hopefully someone will come out and speak to you. Once you have handed your CV's in, then you will be trying to find some empty seats on a flight to get some experience of flying in the Delta, which isn't a bad way to spend a day. At Sefo, you will have to sit a three hour exam and have a formal interview, which I have not yet experienced but it sounds joyous.
That is pretty much it. Basically keep going in at about 8am everyday, look keen and enthusiastic and try and get on some flights. That could last for days, weeks, even months.
The Companies
From what I see you have two different groups of companies on how they run things for hiring new pilots. 1) Sefo and then 2) Everyone else. Sefo is the largest company and so is obviously going to be more impersonal. The best way I can describe it is as an airline - you turn up for a written exam and then an interview and are hired on the basis of this. At the other companies, your interview room is the pub - buy some drinks and get on well with the other guys.
Safety seems okay - there are accidents (see other posts on here for the most recent), but they are quite rare considering how many movements there are. Aircraft are flying so often that most problems are picked up early at the 50/100 hour checks so there aren't too many problems (although Mr Storkey was telling me of a recent electrical fire he'd had. IMC is usually supposed to only exist OUTSIDE the cabin.) Maintenance from what I am told is very good.
Housing
Yes there is housing, rent is from as little to as much as you want. You could stay at Audi for your whole time at 17pula a night, but I would suggest this would not be pleasant. The housing is.... functional. The tap water is drinkable (well, I drank it and I am not dead), there is a sewerage system, hot and cold water. Then you have the luxuries if you pay for them like satellite TV with BBC (yey!) and the like. The interior design leaves much to be desired however. There are also little clusters of housing where the pilot's live (in a sort of aviators ghetto I suppose) - but I only saw inside the one house I stayed in to look after the dog and the cat. Expect about 750pula - 1250pula a month which isn't too bad really.
Job prospects
Had a good long chat to Stuart, the owner of Mack Air about this one. All the companies are seeing lower bookings and higher cancellations this year, and so none of them really know what they are going to do for next season yet with regard to hiring. Moremi not even sure if they are going to replace the aircraft they just lost. From the sounds of things there are a good few people leaving in January, so I guess that would be the time to go (earlier the better).
So there will be some jobs, but I am not sure how many. With the economy going the way it is, I can see more people headed to Maun than normal, but not to the levels that there were even just three years ago (apparently about 20 people!) If you are definately going and you haven't posted in here yet (an unsettlingly named 'Lurker' of the forum) please do! We won't bite. Well, I won't.
Mr/Ms Z_Pilot I apologise that this is a rather functional reply to your post rather than my usual (attempt at) friendly communication. I have completely lost the will to live with all this typing. Nothing Personal.
1. Company sorts this out for you when you are hired.
2. You need a police clearance certificate thing to say what (if anything) you have on your record. This will need to be done before you head to Maun. If you are refering to work permit, visa, bots license then yes that is handled by the company after you are hired.
3. See above. Don't worry - it's not Lawrence of Arabia!
4. No.
5. I am afraid that despite my vast experience of one week in Maun I don't know on that one.
6. If you bring your dog he will only add to the animal symphony of the night. I guess best place to ask that would be Botswana customs or something. I can assure you there will definately be paperwork though.
...... And I'm spent.
I think I have armed you all well for the great unknown (henceforth the very well known) that is Maun, but if there is anything else you want to ask, feel free - I'll keep checking back.
Remember, if you are a lurker - post!
Cheers Guys - see (some of) you in a month!
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Asking for jobs
Once you have chilled at Audi for the night, and negotiated the horrors of the beetle killing fields for your morning wash, you will probably want to go out and get yourself known to some of the companies.
So, get up early, throw your CV's, headset, licenses and logbooks in your bag and head off. Best way to get into town is by combi, these are small minivan things that patrol the main road just outside the camp. Stand outside, do the universal sign of the hitchiker and get ready for a sweaty excursion. It is 3 pula into town - and a good 15 minutes to get in. When you want to get off (near the petrol station) just shriek or something and they will let you out. One thing you will notice is how much more friendly everybody is - it's not like the UK where everyone sits ashen face reading the Metro, miserable and cold. Everyone is happy and talking to you trying to make you feel welcome. So that's nice.
The office's are pretty easy to spot, Moremi and Kavango are in the airport 'terminal' upstairs. Delta air is just across the road from the airport inside the gates (and cattle grid), Sefo is a bit further up this road too, Mack air is next to bon arrive, and Safari Air is up another road (so that narrows it down doesn't it?)
You will go in, say I'm new in town looking for a pilot job, and then hopefully someone will come out and speak to you. Once you have handed your CV's in, then you will be trying to find some empty seats on a flight to get some experience of flying in the Delta, which isn't a bad way to spend a day. At Sefo, you will have to sit a three hour exam and have a formal interview, which I have not yet experienced but it sounds joyous.
That is pretty much it. Basically keep going in at about 8am everyday, look keen and enthusiastic and try and get on some flights. That could last for days, weeks, even months.
The Companies
From what I see you have two different groups of companies on how they run things for hiring new pilots. 1) Sefo and then 2) Everyone else. Sefo is the largest company and so is obviously going to be more impersonal. The best way I can describe it is as an airline - you turn up for a written exam and then an interview and are hired on the basis of this. At the other companies, your interview room is the pub - buy some drinks and get on well with the other guys.
Safety seems okay - there are accidents (see other posts on here for the most recent), but they are quite rare considering how many movements there are. Aircraft are flying so often that most problems are picked up early at the 50/100 hour checks so there aren't too many problems (although Mr Storkey was telling me of a recent electrical fire he'd had. IMC is usually supposed to only exist OUTSIDE the cabin.) Maintenance from what I am told is very good.
Housing
Yes there is housing, rent is from as little to as much as you want. You could stay at Audi for your whole time at 17pula a night, but I would suggest this would not be pleasant. The housing is.... functional. The tap water is drinkable (well, I drank it and I am not dead), there is a sewerage system, hot and cold water. Then you have the luxuries if you pay for them like satellite TV with BBC (yey!) and the like. The interior design leaves much to be desired however. There are also little clusters of housing where the pilot's live (in a sort of aviators ghetto I suppose) - but I only saw inside the one house I stayed in to look after the dog and the cat. Expect about 750pula - 1250pula a month which isn't too bad really.
Job prospects
Had a good long chat to Stuart, the owner of Mack Air about this one. All the companies are seeing lower bookings and higher cancellations this year, and so none of them really know what they are going to do for next season yet with regard to hiring. Moremi not even sure if they are going to replace the aircraft they just lost. From the sounds of things there are a good few people leaving in January, so I guess that would be the time to go (earlier the better).
So there will be some jobs, but I am not sure how many. With the economy going the way it is, I can see more people headed to Maun than normal, but not to the levels that there were even just three years ago (apparently about 20 people!) If you are definately going and you haven't posted in here yet (an unsettlingly named 'Lurker' of the forum) please do! We won't bite. Well, I won't.
Mr/Ms Z_Pilot I apologise that this is a rather functional reply to your post rather than my usual (attempt at) friendly communication. I have completely lost the will to live with all this typing. Nothing Personal.
1. Company sorts this out for you when you are hired.
2. You need a police clearance certificate thing to say what (if anything) you have on your record. This will need to be done before you head to Maun. If you are refering to work permit, visa, bots license then yes that is handled by the company after you are hired.
3. See above. Don't worry - it's not Lawrence of Arabia!
4. No.
5. I am afraid that despite my vast experience of one week in Maun I don't know on that one.
6. If you bring your dog he will only add to the animal symphony of the night. I guess best place to ask that would be Botswana customs or something. I can assure you there will definately be paperwork though.
...... And I'm spent.
I think I have armed you all well for the great unknown (henceforth the very well known) that is Maun, but if there is anything else you want to ask, feel free - I'll keep checking back.
Remember, if you are a lurker - post!
Cheers Guys - see (some of) you in a month!
PS. Csanad007: Liking the site! There's a load more for you to add
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This is my first post in this thread so first thing to say is GREAT. Really an interesting reading, keep it going.
I'm a fresh PPL guy so I've still a long way to go before I can consider to bush flying but that's probably the way I want to start in the future.
I've a very simple question, how many pilots are working in Maun during the peak season? Are they all seasonal or some do stay all year long?
How many hours do they fly on average per week?
I should have read all posts but didn't find it or maybe I missed it.
I'm a fresh PPL guy so I've still a long way to go before I can consider to bush flying but that's probably the way I want to start in the future.
I've a very simple question, how many pilots are working in Maun during the peak season? Are they all seasonal or some do stay all year long?
How many hours do they fly on average per week?
I should have read all posts but didn't find it or maybe I missed it.
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Maun bound
Hello all,
Ive been lurking for a while and finally decided to post. I have decided to try my luck in Maun this season and have booked a flight to Johannesburg on Jan 7 as well as the Air Botswana flight onward to Maun.
From what Ive read Im a bit older than the average Botswana job seeker at 36 and maybe more experienced with 1800 hrs, 60 hrs TU206 time and an MEI, but I suspect with the hiring situation as bleak as it is in the States that there will be a few more high time pilots heading to Maun this year than seasons past. Id love to think my hours would give me a better shot at stepping into a Caravan position more quickly, but Im not too optimistic.
I think most of my questions have been answered already by previous posts, but I would love to hear more about the Sefofane interview if anyone has been through it already. Im surprised no one seems to have posted a gouge anywhere online yet. My instrument knowledge is a bit rusty but Im guessing they they dont focus so much on IFR stuff.
Cant wait to get there! Looking forward to running into some of you at Audi Camp and the local Pubs. Anyone else from the San Francisco Bay area going to be around?
-adam
Ive been lurking for a while and finally decided to post. I have decided to try my luck in Maun this season and have booked a flight to Johannesburg on Jan 7 as well as the Air Botswana flight onward to Maun.
From what Ive read Im a bit older than the average Botswana job seeker at 36 and maybe more experienced with 1800 hrs, 60 hrs TU206 time and an MEI, but I suspect with the hiring situation as bleak as it is in the States that there will be a few more high time pilots heading to Maun this year than seasons past. Id love to think my hours would give me a better shot at stepping into a Caravan position more quickly, but Im not too optimistic.
I think most of my questions have been answered already by previous posts, but I would love to hear more about the Sefofane interview if anyone has been through it already. Im surprised no one seems to have posted a gouge anywhere online yet. My instrument knowledge is a bit rusty but Im guessing they they dont focus so much on IFR stuff.
Cant wait to get there! Looking forward to running into some of you at Audi Camp and the local Pubs. Anyone else from the San Francisco Bay area going to be around?
-adam
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certificate of clearance?
Ive read on this thread about needing a certificate of clearance from the police, but I havent heard of this requirement anywhere else including the Botswana consulate site. Is this a requirement for the tourist visa? Or just when applying for a residency permit? If it involves fingerprinting then most likely I wont have time to complete the process before leaving so I am a little worried about it.
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I think Americans are exempt from the police certificate thing. At least thats my impression...
Also, I don't live there anymore, but I used to live in central California. I'll be in Maun by the 10th of January. I'm also in the same boat as you, with 1400 hours. All though from what I read, having a lot of time really doesn't get you any further, as they don't really seem to care about how many hours you have.
Also, I don't live there anymore, but I used to live in central California. I'll be in Maun by the 10th of January. I'm also in the same boat as you, with 1400 hours. All though from what I read, having a lot of time really doesn't get you any further, as they don't really seem to care about how many hours you have.
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Meant to say actually: the only thing stopping people from going onto the Caravan is a 1000 hour rule for insurance. You will still have to start on the 206 but I would imagine that if there is space on the Caravan you could be fast tracked through. Don't quote me on this though!
Usual way of doing it for a 250hr guy is start on the 206 for a year, then fly both the 206 and the Caravan the next. Then you also have a sprinkling of Airvans and Islanders into the mix to keep it interesting.
RMarvin86: Most stay all year long. You get 4 weeks leave but I heard of a couple that took a couple extra weeks unpaid. I don't know exactly how many pilots there are but the number 60 was floated around. You fly 5 to 6 hours a day in the high season, six days a week (and I should imagine beer has never tasted so good afterwards).
ragdragger: Good to see you emerge from the shadows! I can't help with the police certificate thing (I guess you'll find out in the not too distant future), but I can say enjoy your succulent muffin on Air Botswana!
Just to let you all know; I am not sure if there will be jobs for everyone in Maun. Sorry to slip into the usual pprune mood of sombreness and pessimism from my usual cheerful self, but it's a fact. If you hang around long enough then you will most likely get a job (four months for one of the guys out there) - but there will be some going in January.
If you are willing to broaden your horizons a bit and head of to Namibia or another close by country (if and when you grow weary of hanging around for a job in everyones favourite donkey resort) you should be able to find something! Here is info on that.
Usual way of doing it for a 250hr guy is start on the 206 for a year, then fly both the 206 and the Caravan the next. Then you also have a sprinkling of Airvans and Islanders into the mix to keep it interesting.
RMarvin86: Most stay all year long. You get 4 weeks leave but I heard of a couple that took a couple extra weeks unpaid. I don't know exactly how many pilots there are but the number 60 was floated around. You fly 5 to 6 hours a day in the high season, six days a week (and I should imagine beer has never tasted so good afterwards).
ragdragger: Good to see you emerge from the shadows! I can't help with the police certificate thing (I guess you'll find out in the not too distant future), but I can say enjoy your succulent muffin on Air Botswana!
Just to let you all know; I am not sure if there will be jobs for everyone in Maun. Sorry to slip into the usual pprune mood of sombreness and pessimism from my usual cheerful self, but it's a fact. If you hang around long enough then you will most likely get a job (four months for one of the guys out there) - but there will be some going in January.
If you are willing to broaden your horizons a bit and head of to Namibia or another close by country (if and when you grow weary of hanging around for a job in everyones favourite donkey resort) you should be able to find something! Here is info on that.
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Please be realistic
This thread is worrying me a little. There is only the very hint of realism toward the end. I don't want to dampen enthusiasm, but the image this is creating is somewhat different to what can be expected for your ongoing life in Africa. Life here is much harder than you might imagine and it's really only suitable for a certain personality. Please realise that there is an inherent risk, not just financial but obviously health and accidents. If/when something goes wrong, will you feel safe? You can't take anti-malarials on a permanent basis. You WILL become ill at some stage, perhaps needing a hospital visit. And remember that over 50% of the population of Bots have AIDS. Life is VERY different from the image being generated of easy employment (there isn't) and fun (it can be anything but - don't think this is a holiday camp). Sure, a very few people, if lucky enough to find a job will find some adventure (even though this thread seems to be trying to destroy exactly that?!?!?!?!), though most people will not be suited to this environment for ongoing employment and life. In the probable case that you can't get a job even after 4 months, there is nothing else. Hope this doesn't annoy people, but it's better that you have realistic expectations.
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Thanks Desert Strip Basher, I actually was just starting to think this thread was getting a little too idyllic. I'm all for a more positive pprune (looking at the wannabe's employment section everyone is suicidal), but we still need to have our feet on the floor.
As for destroying the sense of adventure, I am just trying to help - I got a number of PM's asking a range of questions so rather than answer all of them individually I tried to vomit all the info up on the thread. My very first paragraph on the first post says
I'm just trying to help people know what they are getting themselves into, and yes I know it's a little happy happy but that is because I had such a good time! Please be aware guys I was only there for a week, and don't really know how it works.
Don't worry - it takes far more than somebody keeping me in check to annoy me. You will be pleased to know you won't be feeling my immense wrath (and if you are one of the guys out there at the moment who met me you will know how terrifying THAT would be)
I suppose I good way to end this post would be... keep it real!
As for destroying the sense of adventure, I am just trying to help - I got a number of PM's asking a range of questions so rather than answer all of them individually I tried to vomit all the info up on the thread. My very first paragraph on the first post says
I know it isn't really part of the adventure spirit meticulously getting every grain of information I possibly can before I go, but it is a big decision for me and I want to know what I might be getting myself into!
Don't worry - it takes far more than somebody keeping me in check to annoy me. You will be pleased to know you won't be feeling my immense wrath (and if you are one of the guys out there at the moment who met me you will know how terrifying THAT would be)
I suppose I good way to end this post would be... keep it real!
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just a note to the last two posts,
its true this place can bite you in the ass, but if you settle in, have good friends, fly safe and look after yourself, its a really cool place to stay and get your hours up. Just remember to write emails to companies before coming, try and get in contact and find the best times to come, cause some guys can be waiting for quite somtime to get work. Further more, if u can handle bugs, and bugs and more bugs... sand and the heat... flying in 40 degree heat with no aircon, then this is the place for u
its true this place can bite you in the ass, but if you settle in, have good friends, fly safe and look after yourself, its a really cool place to stay and get your hours up. Just remember to write emails to companies before coming, try and get in contact and find the best times to come, cause some guys can be waiting for quite somtime to get work. Further more, if u can handle bugs, and bugs and more bugs... sand and the heat... flying in 40 degree heat with no aircon, then this is the place for u
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I love that lol. Better then this rainy acy weather with all the depressed people complaining about every fly sh*t.
If only the companies looked at their mails more lol ...
If only the companies looked at their mails more lol ...
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Daft (well possibly) questions alert.
1) should i take my laptop? Will it still be there when i get back to my tent at the AUDI camp? Any internet / wifi available?
2) is it quite informal there when looking for work? Do people go wandering around in the heat CV's in hand in full glorious pilot attire? Or is jeans and a T shirt the norm?
3) Is it worth taking a load of malarials or are they cheap to get over there? Are they even needed?
4) If i choose not to stay at camp AUDI are there any other cheapish places to bunk in Maun that dont involve tents?
5) Is there anything else to do in Maun aside from getting blotto?
6) ermmm, thats it. (for now)
CB
1) should i take my laptop? Will it still be there when i get back to my tent at the AUDI camp? Any internet / wifi available?
2) is it quite informal there when looking for work? Do people go wandering around in the heat CV's in hand in full glorious pilot attire? Or is jeans and a T shirt the norm?
3) Is it worth taking a load of malarials or are they cheap to get over there? Are they even needed?
4) If i choose not to stay at camp AUDI are there any other cheapish places to bunk in Maun that dont involve tents?
5) Is there anything else to do in Maun aside from getting blotto?
6) ermmm, thats it. (for now)
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according to Waiterpilot, theres WiFi at Audi Camp so a lappy might come in handy. if i take mine, i'll keep it with me rather than leaving it in the tent
i checked online and the cheapest i got was i think 300 palu a night, but since my budget doesnt allow for more that 50 a night, so i stopped looking
i checked online and the cheapest i got was i think 300 palu a night, but since my budget doesnt allow for more that 50 a night, so i stopped looking
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If you settle in......
That's the exact point Gavin....IF they settle in. What people need to think about is life in Africa first and foremost. Any possible flying is secondary - and think long term, well beyond your 1 week holidays. It's fairly obvious if a character will be able to stick it out - to me that's one of the main selection criteria. As jobs are filled readily now in any case, I just want to help prevent unsuitable people wasting $4000USD and 6 months of their life through seeing this all through rose tinted spectacles. All this talk of WiFi etc is just nonsense.
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When I flew in Maun the temperature in the cockpit of an aircraft standing on the ground could become 48c quite easy. I do not know what the effect of that is on computers. I do know what the effect was on me. So if you take it with you, pack a cool box?
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In advance, please xcuse my horrific english prose and the pathetics in this post 
I think that there are more guys on this forum than those who will actually take their stuff and head to Maun.
me personally will get either to Maun either to Windhoek as soon as I have my hours and rating licenses.
I'm no dreamer but if u lived in eastern europe with the same flight training fees as in the western part of europe but with far less incomes you'd have no illusions. working your guts out just to fly a bit and build some hours - besides having to pay a load of other stuffs - you'll become hell of a relistic guy. instructing said somebody... well, you need more than 400 hours for that kinda stuff, and there is no job guarantee.
I really read what Der absolute Hammer posted here earlier (also I quoted him on my website), and I agree with you DSB, but I've seen all available pictures on the net, I've seen the satellite images on google earth. I looked after guys who lived in Bots, called the consulate, tried to acquire all necessary information.
Yepp, ol' donkeytown isn't downtown New York, not even downtown Nyíregyháza (badass Hungarian city), but it could be the center of the world for some dedicated guys.
so for me Maun is like light at the end of the tunnel, which I never hoped to really see, but was too fanatic to confess it to myself. and I know that it is the place where I must go and try to find a flyin' job, 'cos if not I'm going to regret it my hole life (there's going to be that what if)
good luck to you all.
take care, and my mom told me to fly low and slow
I think that there are more guys on this forum than those who will actually take their stuff and head to Maun.
me personally will get either to Maun either to Windhoek as soon as I have my hours and rating licenses.
I'm no dreamer but if u lived in eastern europe with the same flight training fees as in the western part of europe but with far less incomes you'd have no illusions. working your guts out just to fly a bit and build some hours - besides having to pay a load of other stuffs - you'll become hell of a relistic guy. instructing said somebody... well, you need more than 400 hours for that kinda stuff, and there is no job guarantee.
I really read what Der absolute Hammer posted here earlier (also I quoted him on my website), and I agree with you DSB, but I've seen all available pictures on the net, I've seen the satellite images on google earth. I looked after guys who lived in Bots, called the consulate, tried to acquire all necessary information.
Yepp, ol' donkeytown isn't downtown New York, not even downtown Nyíregyháza (badass Hungarian city), but it could be the center of the world for some dedicated guys.
so for me Maun is like light at the end of the tunnel, which I never hoped to really see, but was too fanatic to confess it to myself. and I know that it is the place where I must go and try to find a flyin' job, 'cos if not I'm going to regret it my hole life (there's going to be that what if)
good luck to you all.
take care, and my mom told me to fly low and slow
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lol, wouldnt have any major effects as long as its in the shade except for some seals giving way but hey as long as you have a screwdriver and silicon it can be fixed
the talk on WiFi was just a way to communicate back home, not entertainment or anything.
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Csanad007.
May I please say that the English is excellent. I can understand it completely.
I think you have an excellent attitude and Maun flying will be, what they say, your cup of Roibos. You will get hours pretty damned quick and see some wonderful wildlife. Also it will be an adventure and I wish you the best of the absolute luck!
May I please say that the English is excellent. I can understand it completely.
I think you have an excellent attitude and Maun flying will be, what they say, your cup of Roibos. You will get hours pretty damned quick and see some wonderful wildlife. Also it will be an adventure and I wish you the best of the absolute luck!