Jobs in Africa (2008 onwards) Part 2
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Pilots with over 2000 hrs have problems getting a job in Africa, it is not only about flying but more about workpermits and License conversions....in short they dont like expat pilots in Africa
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Doc, Are you just trying to get your post count up? Cause your info is kinda wrong. Or are you just talking about your country in particular? Africa is a big area.
Have you been to any of the major flying areas lately and looked at the pilot situation?
Have you been to any of the major flying areas lately and looked at the pilot situation?
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aaand which are the major flying areas, lifflyboy?
cause starting from maun, no low hour pilot is even touching a plane...
and traveling from 5000 kms to there to come back..is not cheap, or worse... is not worthy..
anyhow, david is right, there´re houndreds of post about this issue!!
cause starting from maun, no low hour pilot is even touching a plane...
and traveling from 5000 kms to there to come back..is not cheap, or worse... is not worthy..
anyhow, david is right, there´re houndreds of post about this issue!!
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aphelio: geez, man... where do you get that crap?
At least lilflyboy262 knows what he is writing, and there are quite a few low timers who are touching planes here in Maun. And there will be a few more being hired on coming monday (as Sefo just had a round of interviews).
But then again, this hiring season is over here...
At least lilflyboy262 knows what he is writing, and there are quite a few low timers who are touching planes here in Maun. And there will be a few more being hired on coming monday (as Sefo just had a round of interviews).
But then again, this hiring season is over here...
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Also, wasnt just meaning Maun, but was also refering to Dar es Salaam, Arusha, Uganda, Congo, Angola, Windhoek and Swakopmund all hire fresh 200hr CPL's. Obviously some companies don't for insurance reasons, but the chances are still out there.
The pilots hired this year in Maun:
Sefofane's pilots, 1 had 500hrs+, 2 had fresh cpl's, 1 I'm unsure of. New round of interviews, all have fresh cpl's
Delta Air, 1 pilot, wouldn't have had anymore than 300hrs
Mack Air, 2 fresh cpls's
Moremi Air, Unsure, I but both less than 500hrs (could be wrong)
Major Blue, 1 pilot, 1500hrs+
Kavango, 2 pilots currently working, fresh cpl's, 1 was hired and fired, with a fresh cpl
Safari Air, 5 pilots, 4 fresh cpls, 1 500hr
But of course, there was no low houred pilots hired this year. Just another bitter person who turned up for a week or so then left when he wasn't hired straight away.
Also please define how between 750-900hrs a year is not worthy? With the next year providing around 500hrs on a turbine?
The only country in Africa that I know of so far, that I know of that has a hour limitation on validation of foriegn licences is Zambia with 1000hrs.(And I stand to be corrected)
If you really want a job, take the time to do some research, turn up on their doorstep and ask. All you need to get is get off your ass. I did it, and I'm from NZ and knew nothing of the place.
(Although I do have Csanad's blog to thank since it gave me a majority of the leads to go and research)
The pilots hired this year in Maun:
Sefofane's pilots, 1 had 500hrs+, 2 had fresh cpl's, 1 I'm unsure of. New round of interviews, all have fresh cpl's
Delta Air, 1 pilot, wouldn't have had anymore than 300hrs
Mack Air, 2 fresh cpls's
Moremi Air, Unsure, I but both less than 500hrs (could be wrong)
Major Blue, 1 pilot, 1500hrs+
Kavango, 2 pilots currently working, fresh cpl's, 1 was hired and fired, with a fresh cpl
Safari Air, 5 pilots, 4 fresh cpls, 1 500hr
But of course, there was no low houred pilots hired this year. Just another bitter person who turned up for a week or so then left when he wasn't hired straight away.
Also please define how between 750-900hrs a year is not worthy? With the next year providing around 500hrs on a turbine?
The only country in Africa that I know of so far, that I know of that has a hour limitation on validation of foriegn licences is Zambia with 1000hrs.(And I stand to be corrected)
If you really want a job, take the time to do some research, turn up on their doorstep and ask. All you need to get is get off your ass. I did it, and I'm from NZ and knew nothing of the place.
(Although I do have Csanad's blog to thank since it gave me a majority of the leads to go and research)
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agree with u guys, u should have a better view fo the field.
but u still saying that not low-hours hired this season, so exactly what I was saying in my post...that move my ass spending 3000eur to get a door slap in my face....is what I call unwhorty and waste of time-energy.
One thing is to move my ass and another is to be a blind stupid door-knocker...I am so willing to move (as I did couple of times) if at least I see a hint of hiring-hope (thanks for the list lilflyboy). And after doing a month research I recieved a NO HIRING email from Sefofane, Mack Air, Moremi Air, etc. (I could show´em to u..)
So, should I fly there even with the no-hiring email, and, yet, knocking on doors???
, sorry for my ignorance, but I believe that´s the most stupid thing to do (unless having leftover money, which is not the case...and i think many low-hour pilots case...).
thanks for the info, though
nice flights!
but u still saying that not low-hours hired this season, so exactly what I was saying in my post...that move my ass spending 3000eur to get a door slap in my face....is what I call unwhorty and waste of time-energy.
One thing is to move my ass and another is to be a blind stupid door-knocker...I am so willing to move (as I did couple of times) if at least I see a hint of hiring-hope (thanks for the list lilflyboy). And after doing a month research I recieved a NO HIRING email from Sefofane, Mack Air, Moremi Air, etc. (I could show´em to u..)
So, should I fly there even with the no-hiring email, and, yet, knocking on doors???
, sorry for my ignorance, but I believe that´s the most stupid thing to do (unless having leftover money, which is not the case...and i think many low-hour pilots case...).thanks for the info, though
nice flights!
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Its the same all around the world. You have to be there to get hired. I went to Aussie, Indonesia and all the Pacific Islands before I managed to get hired.
You can't just sit back firing out emails expecting to get hired from the otherside of the world. They recieve multiple emails each day from people like yourself with the same experience and ratings.
As the Chief pilot from AirNZ just told me, "its attitude that we are looking for." And you can't show that from your armchair in your home.
Besides, you have speant how much getting your licence? What another few thousand.
You can't just sit back firing out emails expecting to get hired from the otherside of the world. They recieve multiple emails each day from people like yourself with the same experience and ratings.
As the Chief pilot from AirNZ just told me, "its attitude that we are looking for." And you can't show that from your armchair in your home.
Besides, you have speant how much getting your licence? What another few thousand.
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Besides, you have speant home much getting your licence? What another few thousand.
If you had to pay yourself thoudsands of dollars to get your licences, with lot of sweat...now 3000dollars would be a hell!! to spend. And to do this:
I went to Aussie, Indonesia and all the Pacific Islands before I managed to get hired
anyhow, congrats for being able to get hired, and do all that effort!!
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aphelio: come on man READ!!! and INTERPRET! there were at least 10 low timers hired this year here. And sure all were sponsored... But no worries stay home and hope that a 747 lands near you with the captain jumping out looking just for you... gotto be kidding, but well good luck man
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csanada, I read and I interpreted...that this hiring season is ended, and that a bunch of daddy´s-pilots (as your 747 captain u mentionated
) travelled there on holidays and knock some doors.
so forgive me for not being a kamikaze.
and just appreciated lilflyboy accurate information, besides yours just acusing of waiting...again, forigive me
I´m just trying to smell some clumpsy warranties here
ps, by the way, who told u I´m seated at home?? amazing, guys....
) travelled there on holidays and knock some doors.so forgive me for not being a kamikaze.
and just appreciated lilflyboy accurate information, besides yours just acusing of waiting...again, forigive me
I´m just trying to smell some clumpsy warranties here
ps, by the way, who told u I´m seated at home?? amazing, guys....
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Man, when I was doing the starting of the learning to fly, I put my sister out on the game in Munich for two years to buy me the cost of my JAR/ATP and then FAA/ATP. It was well worth it because she met and married an American from the Consulate in Munich and now she lives in a good house in Washington DC. Have to say that he thought he was saving her from immortal souls destruction.
So she is happy. I am happy and my father and mother are dead and so it does not matter what happened to my sister and her virginity. No one cares how my licence was purchased, no one has an attitude problem and I got to meet a very large number of my sisters' work friends which was a hell of a lot of fun.
So she is happy. I am happy and my father and mother are dead and so it does not matter what happened to my sister and her virginity. No one cares how my licence was purchased, no one has an attitude problem and I got to meet a very large number of my sisters' work friends which was a hell of a lot of fun.
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I like it Der Absolut Hammer....!!!. Thats what I call a "made for movie" story. Well done and well done to your sister!!! I may have met her during my time in Munich...!!!
At this stage in my flying career, I have no choice but to become a man whore for a few months in order to fund a new rating so I may get a new flying job.....!I have no choice as I have been out of work for a year now since my last airline closed last year. So far, I have been unfortunate enough to be associated with 4 airline closures !! Nasty! Too much for one pilot to take.
So, Amsterdam and Berlin, here I cum..!!! This boy`s body is for sale!!! Hammer man....., I am with you (and your sister)
. Thats what I call a "made for movie" story. Well done and well done to your sister!!! I may have met her during my time in Munich...!!!At this stage in my flying career, I have no choice but to become a man whore for a few months in order to fund a new rating so I may get a new flying job.....!I have no choice as I have been out of work for a year now since my last airline closed last year. So far, I have been unfortunate enough to be associated with 4 airline closures !! Nasty! Too much for one pilot to take.
So, Amsterdam and Berlin, here I cum..!!! This boy`s body is for sale!!! Hammer man....., I am with you (and your sister)
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Oh I must have been dreaming during my last 7 years in the workforce. Thats not including the 4 years before that working on dads farm. But hey, everyone wants to live a good life too.
Yes, the first 20,000euros was a government LOAN, the next 30,000euros was out of my back pocket.
Those we just the few places that I tried. You can also try the Middle East (not entirely sure about that place, but I'm sure if you did research, you can find out) or the Carribean. All much closer to you than South East Asia or Oceania
P.S. guys try to keep it clean, a lot of good info hre, don't want the thread shut down.
Yes, the first 20,000euros was a government LOAN, the next 30,000euros was out of my back pocket.
Those we just the few places that I tried. You can also try the Middle East (not entirely sure about that place, but I'm sure if you did research, you can find out) or the Carribean. All much closer to you than South East Asia or Oceania
P.S. guys try to keep it clean, a lot of good info hre, don't want the thread shut down.
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Truthful and clean? That is what you call a tall order.
However, the point of the post was to illustrate that it is absolutely-and I use the word deliberately-no one's business as to how one acquired the boodle to undertake one's own training. To carp on about how someone else organised their personal funding is to demonstrate a chip on the shoulder. It is an illustration of a green eyed monstrosity of a character trait which does not belong in the cockpit and is more commonly found in the more virulent trades unionists portfolio of repulsive little personal prejudices. Envy is not a pretty charateristic and does not fit well into a small work place which, even if you are a DC10 pilot, the cockpit is.
However, the point of the post was to illustrate that it is absolutely-and I use the word deliberately-no one's business as to how one acquired the boodle to undertake one's own training. To carp on about how someone else organised their personal funding is to demonstrate a chip on the shoulder. It is an illustration of a green eyed monstrosity of a character trait which does not belong in the cockpit and is more commonly found in the more virulent trades unionists portfolio of repulsive little personal prejudices. Envy is not a pretty charateristic and does not fit well into a small work place which, even if you are a DC10 pilot, the cockpit is.
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anyway, thanks lilflyboy to share your experience with us, so helpful, to get an idea. (not sarcastic, ok!!)
hope u get a job soon...and csanada too! and all the guys at the Maun terminal!! (using its wifi connection!!lol). good luck, stay put!!!
hope u get a job soon...and csanada too!
and all the guys at the Maun terminal!! (using its wifi connection!!lol). good luck, stay put!!!
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Africa Job
Hi
I am interested to any job in Africa or elsewhere.
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I am interested to any job in Africa or elsewhere.
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Total Flying --- 205 hrs Twin: 35 hrs (Seneca) – Singles: 170 hrs (PA 28 & DR 400)
Total Sim. --- 92 hrs 20 hrs MCC & 32 hrs JOC on Boeing 737-400 and 40 hrs twin (Seneca)
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AME/Quality/Safety Job
Hi Guys, been perving the site for quite some time, finally got so far to register.
Are there any decent AME jobs out there? South African licenced A&C, Falcon 50; HS-125 series; Beech 100 200 & 300 series; Let 410 UVO-E20; Let 420 series, TFE731 series; TPE331 series; PT6A series; Viper 522, Walter M601 series, Quality, Safety, Crash Investigation, Management.....
South African Citizen so USA & Europe is out except if there is a sponsor willing to help with visa.
Please please!
Are there any decent AME jobs out there? South African licenced A&C, Falcon 50; HS-125 series; Beech 100 200 & 300 series; Let 410 UVO-E20; Let 420 series, TFE731 series; TPE331 series; PT6A series; Viper 522, Walter M601 series, Quality, Safety, Crash Investigation, Management.....
South African Citizen so USA & Europe is out except if there is a sponsor willing to help with visa.
Please please!
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I am an Indian citizen and did my CPL training from USA.
PILOT LICENSE DETAILS:
·COMMERCIAL PILOT:
AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND WITH INSTRUMENT RATING (FAA & DGCA)
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND (DGCA CPL)
Ø250.2 hrs. Total Time (C-152, C-172, BE-76)
Ø131.6 hrs. Pilot-in-command
Ø27.7 hrs. Multi-engine-airplane (BE-76)
Ø54.4hrs. Instrument Flight Time
Ready to work anywhere to build time. Any help would be appreciated.
PILOT LICENSE DETAILS:
·COMMERCIAL PILOT:
AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND WITH INSTRUMENT RATING (FAA & DGCA)
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND (DGCA CPL)
Ø250.2 hrs. Total Time (C-152, C-172, BE-76)
Ø131.6 hrs. Pilot-in-command
Ø27.7 hrs. Multi-engine-airplane (BE-76)
Ø54.4hrs. Instrument Flight Time
Ready to work anywhere to build time. Any help would be appreciated.
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In response to Dere Hammers' post...Yes, this is a profession. Yes, paying for a type is flying for free. However, this is only a profession so long as we remain professional. From what I've read from some individuals such as yourself, you are not a professional. Do us a favor and consider your stint in aviation as an expensive hobby and leave the real flying to real pilots who maintain standards of decorum and professionalism both inside and outside the cockpit.
Oh, and let's all do ourselves a favor. If you have a commercial pilot certificate, you get paid to fly. You don't pay TO fly. A self-funded type rating is a shortcut that screws other pilots out of work to save the company a few bucks on their training costs. If you buy an airplane and start an airline, you need to pay to train pilots. Simple as that. I have 3 types and have never paid for any of them. The airplane I fly costs as much to fuel as my type rating. The company can afford it and needs to consider training as part of doing business...Nuff said.
Oh, and let's all do ourselves a favor. If you have a commercial pilot certificate, you get paid to fly. You don't pay TO fly. A self-funded type rating is a shortcut that screws other pilots out of work to save the company a few bucks on their training costs. If you buy an airplane and start an airline, you need to pay to train pilots. Simple as that. I have 3 types and have never paid for any of them. The airplane I fly costs as much to fuel as my type rating. The company can afford it and needs to consider training as part of doing business...Nuff said.