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Old 15th Jan 2023, 19:39
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Originally Posted by Tu.114 View Post
On an aicrraft with this configuration, there ought to be a stick shaker and a stick pusher installed that fire in that order with an approaching stall but way before the flow separates. I would be very interested to hear whether those were in working condition. Both ought to rattle the crew a good moment before the actual stall occurs - in the video, there seems to be no fighting those systems showing as happened to the Dash 8 in Buffalo. But neither do I observe any movement at all that Id link to the actions of a stick pusher, which strikes me as odd.
Stick pusher would be inhibited below 500 agl
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 19:43
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...which may well be explained by the approach procedure flown. They arrived from the east, so a circling approach via the north would almost certainly have taken them past the old airport. An attempt to land on the old runway, by mistake or intention, would have required a much lower profile than what is shown in the material.

The new airport has been in operation for... was it 2 weeks? Also, its fresh concrete runway that, from experience, is not built within a night or two is not exactly hard to see in severe CAVOK. I would hazard a guess and say that the crew not only has landed there before the accident flight but also was well aware of what airport they were supposed to land on.

An approach chart would probably save much speculation here. Unfortunately, I do not have access to any of that area of the world.

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One more point. Let us avoid one common trap here and give the deceased colleagues the benefit of the doubt. Details like place of birth, passport-issuing nation or location residence say nothing about collective aeronautical capabilities.

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Old 15th Jan 2023, 19:43
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Originally Posted by michaelbinary View Post
If that video is real. then
1s you can see plane passing Pokhara football stadium
2s far field is the cricket ground with the centre pitch covered, the near field is the anapurna skate park
3-7s you can see the left wing tip drop to enter a left turn.
7+s the road from bottom to top of the screen with the kink in it, puts the plane about 300ft altitude over and approx halfway down the old airfield runway.
this is 2K from the threshold of runway 12 of the new airport and requires an immediate steep 90 degree left turn, which the plane didnt make.

there is frame skip as it was captured from a live stream - presumably with patchy signal.

you can see it happen in the video - like it skips 2-3 seconds of real time.

this often occurs with live streaming - but it cannot provide a fully accurate timeline.

you can see the altitude difference via the window when it occurs as well. When the camera switches back to the cabin, look up the aisle in reference to the shot you see and the camera holder, you can see the nose is beginning to pitch and the bank angle increase, before it finally stalls and drops real fast.


it is real and the person allegedly filming, i have been told by someone in Pokhara, is on the manifest.
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 19:46
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Originally Posted by medod View Post
"I've been flying 25 years I know what I'm doing" captain, inexperienced co-pilot couldn't overcome the cockpit gradient to point out that's a really bad idea. Maybe!
article about how the female pilot was apparently doing Captain UOE and the male pilot was a Check Airman. https://www.indiatoday.in/world/stor...869-2023-01-15
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 19:53
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RIP, a dreadful day.

Sudden double engine failure perhaps ?

And, yes, we are going to think and talk about what might have happened. It implies no disrespect, but pilots will instinctively wonder what went wrong, it is in the nature of our job.
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 19:57
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And, yes, we are going to think and talk about what might have happened. It implies no disrespect, but pilots will instinctively wonder what went wrong, it is in the nature of our job.
And it helps to us to re-enforce behavior. Found myself right base in a glider tug with more tailwind than expected. Watching recent CL215 crash in Greece was a reminder to avid highly banked final turn with stick coming aft.
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 20:13
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I'm not guessing anything about this horrible accident. One thing is sure: it happened.
Let the investigators to work and arrive to conclusions. This make take time.
BUT:
Let me be suspicious about the video, with all my respects if I'm wrong and the guy in mustard is dead in the crash.
The TIMING puzzles me.
Once the FOOTBALL STADIUM is being seen with the tennis courts before and immediately the SETI RIVER and the 22 heading of the "old airport" and based on different media info and a couple of photos (one in this thread), the place of crash has to be at 28.196869 : 83.984673.
The distance from where the stadium is seen the last time and the place of crash is exactly 1000 meters (0,62 mile).
Video timing: from the last view of the Stadium to the supposed crash it takes 17 seconds TO THE "CRASH MOMENT". The AC was flying slow. To spend 17 seconds to make 1000 meters the real speed had to be in the region of 210-220 km/h (130-132 knots). THAT AC wasn't flying at 130 knots after what we can see in the video from the TERRACE (stalling moment).
Another suspicious element: the fire begins almost the very moment the AC crashes with very good "resolution": THAT'S A FIRE.
Now to the matter: IF THE VIDEO COMES FROM INDIA take it with a pinch of salt.
The "movie" maybe taken some day between Jan 1st (the day of the new airport inauguration) and yesterday and clever hands made it just to... don't have the proper word to describe these fake actions. IF IT'S A FAKE...

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Old 15th Jan 2023, 20:33
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the video is real
stop it with this nonsense

here it is with blurred faces, longer duration and much better audio

go to youtube, channel @germanaviation2481 and he has it
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 20:44
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Well the video from within the plane isnt a fake, it ties in with google maps etc and it also begs the question what on earth was a plane doing at around 300+feet half way down the old runway and starting a left turn as if to line up with the new 12 runway. ?. Whatever you think about the crash bit and whether the fire bit is tacked on, its a very odd place for a plane to be, neither landing at the old airfield or lined up to land at the new.
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 20:49
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Does anyone have a METAR for the time of the accident- just wondering if the gorge was a factor?
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 21:10
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Here are two stills of the wings from the streamed interior video.
First is 10sec into video.
Second still is 44sec into the video.
The spin rotation started around 51sec.
The impact was around 57sec.


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Old 15th Jan 2023, 21:19
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Nothing but pure speculation, so ignore if you arent in the mood:
Rumors has it this was an older,very experienced, near pension age captain with a quite fresh co-pilot.
What if the captain had a medical event gradually getting to him on approach? Reverted to experience and aimed for the old airport, realising his mistake but was incapacitated, out of energy and unable to correct the situation or transfer control. Even with the best CRM in the world, that could be a tricky situation with such a cockpit gradient?
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 21:38
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Originally Posted by michaelbinary View Post
Its not a guess at all.
Everybody can see it, its pretty obvious to any pilot.
The nose lifted.
The plane stalled.
The left wing dropped.
It crashed.

Why it did that, I have no idea, and thats what people should stop guessing about.
It's a self stated rumour website. People have been speculating about every crash that has ever occurred during this site's existence and thats never going to change. Stop clicking on crash threads if you don't like it.

As for the incident, as someone unfortunate enough to have a few thousand on type, seems like confused crew forgot that aviate comes before navigate. My question is, the atr has roll spoilers. Yet I don't see them at any stage of the crash. That seems odd. Rudder isn't used to counter roll in stall recovery in the atr. Nor is the stick pusher inhibited below 500ft, at least from what I can find in my fcom. Stand to be corrected there.

Strange one.
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 21:42
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Dragging it in at the back end of the power curve and pushed it too far resulting in a stall/spin? The kind of approach youd do in a STOL into a short field.
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 21:47
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Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst View Post
On a plane with no Wi-Fi. Think it might be kind of hard to connect to instagram.
they were low enough that he could easily have connected to mobile towers. As ex CC, I've caught out pax doipaxthis on no-phone aircraft like turboprops (not ATR)

Who of us hasn't accidentally left the phone on and landed to a bunch of texts received once the phone was low enough.

If genuine, how horrible. Surprised Twitter didn't have a sensitive content warning, it's awful.

Given the movement of the phone, it seemit to match the movement... sudden roll, impact, slide, pause, slide (presumably the gorge/top of the slope where you see the major section of the fuselage)

horrible for his family too. RIP to all.
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 23:07
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat View Post
As for the incident, as someone unfortunate enough to have a few thousand on type, seems like confused crew forgot that aviate comes before navigate. My question is, the atr has roll spoilers. Yet I don't see them at any stage of the crash. That seems odd. Rudder isn't used to counter roll in stall recovery in the atr. Nor is the stick pusher inhibited below 500ft, at least from what I can find in my fcom. Stand to be corrected there.
"Stick pusher activation is inhibited:
- on ground
- during 10 seconds after take off
- in flight, provided radio altimeter is operative, when the aircraft descends below 500ft"
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 23:12
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Is this for Real , the footage from Inside . 30 seconds in .The Location seem correct , it shows the Stadium . . No panic in the aircraft before the sudden roll as seen in other video . Timing of this
Might be worth putting a disclaimer that it's the accident flight. Can be read "before" as in a prior flight. I was expecting a run of the mill approach and land vid from a previous day, not the actual accident on film.
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 23:15
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat View Post
It's a self stated rumour website. People have been speculating about every crash that has ever occurred during this site's existence and thats never going to change. Stop clicking on crash threads if you don't like it.

As for the incident, as someone unfortunate enough to have a few thousand on type, seems like confused crew forgot that aviate comes before navigate. My question is, the atr has roll spoilers. Yet I don't see them at any stage of the crash. That seems odd. Rudder isn't used to counter roll in stall recovery in the atr. Nor is the stick pusher inhibited below 500ft, at least from what I can find in my fcom. Stand to be corrected there.

Strange one.
I recall roll spoilers were inhibited below a certain speed?
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 23:36
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Originally Posted by 22/04 View Post
And it helps to us to re-enforce behavior. Found myself right base in a glider tug with more tailwind than expected. Watching recent CL215 crash in Greece was a reminder to avid highly banked final turn with stick coming aft.
It was a CL415 and it was in Italy.
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 23:43
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28.196869 : 83.984673
Thanks and sorry
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