Bertrand Piccard nomination for the HGAP Masters Medal
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Bertrand Piccard nomination for the HGAP Masters Medal
I understand that the Honourable Guild Of Air Pilots Masters Medal will be awarded in October.
I am told members of the Guild who are pilots can nominate someone for an award.
I would like to nominate Bertrand Piccard for the amazing voyage of Solar Impulse.
I understand the other current nominee is Tracy Curtis Taylor who participated in a reality tv programme filming a voyage from the UK to Australia.
I am told members of the Guild who are pilots can nominate someone for an award.
I would like to nominate Bertrand Piccard for the amazing voyage of Solar Impulse.
I understand the other current nominee is Tracy Curtis Taylor who participated in a reality tv programme filming a voyage from the UK to Australia.
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Jay Sata
It is the Honourable Company of Air Pilots.
We changed our name in February 2014 when HM The Queen bestowed 'Honourable' status upon us.
See: This thread
If you were told that, whoever told you was wrong.
As I told you in the TCT thread: "Anyone (member or not) may nominate a candidate for an award."
See: Call for Nominations
I recommend reading this before submitting any nominations: Criteria for Awards
It sets out the terms of reference for each of our awards
Your understanding is incorrect.
When appropriate, more than one Master's Medal may be awarded in the same year.
NB: As you will see when you read the links above, many different awards are available.
It is the Honourable Company of Air Pilots.
We changed our name in February 2014 when HM The Queen bestowed 'Honourable' status upon us.
See: This thread
I am told members ..... who are pilots can nominate someone for an award.
As I told you in the TCT thread: "Anyone (member or not) may nominate a candidate for an award."
See: Call for Nominations
I recommend reading this before submitting any nominations: Criteria for Awards
It sets out the terms of reference for each of our awards
I understand the other current nominee is Tracy Curtis Taylor
When appropriate, more than one Master's Medal may be awarded in the same year.
NB: As you will see when you read the links above, many different awards are available.
I can see his point about TCT. I've taken more adventurous flights than her myself; clearly if I had just employed a PR company I could now be showered with honours ;-)
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I know nothing about why any other organisation has given TCT an award but, despite being given the facts, Jay Sata continues to make inaccurate comments about the Honourable Company of Air Pilots' reason.
Contrary to his mistaken belief, the company was aware of the nature of her flight. It was not misled by the inaccurate, and often melodramatic, descriptions of it in the media. The flights were clearly not solo - by any sensible definition of that term.
Quote from my response (a few days ago) to Jay's comments in the TCT thread:
It's a pity that he continues to make comments about TCT in this thread.
I know nothing about why any other organisation has given TCT an award but, despite being given the facts, Jay Sata continues to make inaccurate comments about the Honourable Company of Air Pilots' reason.
Contrary to his mistaken belief, the company was aware of the nature of her flight. It was not misled by the inaccurate, and often melodramatic, descriptions of it in the media. The flights were clearly not solo - by any sensible definition of that term.
Quote from my response (a few days ago) to Jay's comments in the TCT thread:
The Honourable Company of Air Pilots has awarded her the Master's Medal (which will be presented in October) for highlighting women in aviation and encouraging girls/young women to pursue their aspirations even if they seem to be beyond reach. I don't remember the precise words but that is the gist.
Flying Lawyer, in that case may I suggest Dr Sophia Webster for recognition by your organisation? She flew from London to Cape Town in a C182 with one other pilot and no other support crew, no chase plane etc, passing through 26 African countries over 4 months throughout the continent (places like Darfur, not 5 star hotels), performing medical work and training to combat maternal mortality. The project was entirely organised by her, as well as mostly funded by her.
Rather than a jolly with a huge team and cushy stops, she put aviation to work to do some meaningful good! I'd be happy to tell you more about it and try to get her some recognition.
Flight For Every Mother | Flight For Every Mother : One doctor's jouney across Africa to promote maternal health
katamarino.co.uk - Adventure Flying Resources
Rather than a jolly with a huge team and cushy stops, she put aviation to work to do some meaningful good! I'd be happy to tell you more about it and try to get her some recognition.
Flight For Every Mother | Flight For Every Mother : One doctor's jouney across Africa to promote maternal health
katamarino.co.uk - Adventure Flying Resources
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I am not a member of the Trophies & Awards committee. I attended their meetings ex officio for one year and was very impressed by the range of experience and by the care and thoroughness with which they considered every nominee.
Anyone (member or not) may nominate a candidate for an award.
See post 3 above.
It occurs to me that a 2013 flight may be too long ago for an award in 2016, but that's just a thought. I don't know.
I am not a member of the Trophies & Awards committee. I attended their meetings ex officio for one year and was very impressed by the range of experience and by the care and thoroughness with which they considered every nominee.
Anyone (member or not) may nominate a candidate for an award.
See post 3 above.
It occurs to me that a 2013 flight may be too long ago for an award in 2016, but that's just a thought. I don't know.
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I have no axe to grind with anyone who want to make a tv reality show but trying to get awards for what is an easy series of flights winds me up.
The link below is what raising the profile of general aviation is all about and worth an award far in front of the TCT scam.
katamarino.co.uk - Adventure Flying Resources
The link below is what raising the profile of general aviation is all about and worth an award far in front of the TCT scam.
katamarino.co.uk - Adventure Flying Resources
I'm not a member of HCAP, nor an expert on their procedures - but I'm willing to bet that a post on PPrune is not the approved mechanism for making an award recommendation?
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I tend to agree and no doubt the Masters Medal is a done deal.
I have to say I am not sure how they came in to the public domain but I have copies (that were emailed to me )of the Masters letters to TCT on arrival at Sydney.
However I concede Bertrand can not do a Hamilton and win all the time.
Can I suggest Carol Vorderman for next years Masters medal?
She has made a major commitment to raising the profile of women and flying by leaving her tv show to fly to Australia.
These days you have to state who you are commemorating.
Carol Vorderman turns back on TV to fly solo around the world - Telegraph
I have to say I am not sure how they came in to the public domain but I have copies (that were emailed to me )of the Masters letters to TCT on arrival at Sydney.
However I concede Bertrand can not do a Hamilton and win all the time.
Can I suggest Carol Vorderman for next years Masters medal?
She has made a major commitment to raising the profile of women and flying by leaving her tv show to fly to Australia.
These days you have to state who you are commemorating.
She is hoping to retrace the route taken by her heroine Mildred Bruce, the aviation pioneer, after whom her Diamond DA-42 VI plane is named, to mark the 75th anniversary of the Air Training Corps.
Carol Vorderman turns back on TV to fly solo around the world - Telegraph
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Bertrand Piccard and Andre Borschberg (Solar Impulse) have already been awarded the Master's Medal!
Master's Medal 2015
That was Piccard's second Master's Medal.
Brian Jones and Bertrand Piccard (Breitling Orbiter 3) were awarded the MM in 1999.
Doesn't it ever occur to you to check the facts before you sound off?
Bertrand Piccard nomination for the HGAP Masters Medal
I would like to nominate Bertrand Piccard for the amazing voyage of Solar Impulse.
Whilst the flight round the world is far from complete, the most recent leg, a remarkable and innovative record breaking flight - a feat of flying, courage, incredible human endeavour and adventure - to land safely in Hawaii earlier this year is, on its own, a tremendous achievement, and an accomplishment to be recognised and applauded. The two pilots, Bertrand Piccard and Andre Borschberg, through their skill, tenacity and endurance have already achieved so much.
In recognition of the innovation, endeavour, teamwork, airmanship, organisation and management demonstrated by this round the world solar-powered flight, the crew members of Solar Impulse are awarded the Master’s Medal.
In recognition of the innovation, endeavour, teamwork, airmanship, organisation and management demonstrated by this round the world solar-powered flight, the crew members of Solar Impulse are awarded the Master’s Medal.
Brian Jones and Bertrand Piccard (Breitling Orbiter 3) were awarded the MM in 1999.
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Can I suggest Carol Vorderman for next years Masters medal?
Can I suggest Carol Vorderman for next years Masters medal?
In your mind why is Carol Vorderman's planned flight around the world any different to the TCT flight to Australia ?
When CV was planning her previous journey to emulate her last heroine Amelia Earhart, there was going to be a huge PR presence with a chase plane etc.
Do you really think CV is going to fly solo around the world in the true sense, if she does then may I congratulate her in advance.
Actually, both the LAA committee for the Bill Woodhams Trophy and HCAP for the Masters Medal were under the impression that she had done both trips solo at the time they decided to make the awards.
I have been told this by several people who were actually at the meetings.
The subsequent amendment of justification only came about as they became aware of the actual facts (not what was splashed all over the press). Rather than admit to having made a mistake, they preferred to fudge it.
I have been told this by several people who were actually at the meetings.
The subsequent amendment of justification only came about as they became aware of the actual facts (not what was splashed all over the press). Rather than admit to having made a mistake, they preferred to fudge it.
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I am sorry but more sarcasm on my part.
Carol Vorderman made a big song and dance about giving up her tv career to fly around the world to advance womens aviation and in her case she cited Amelia Earhart as her heroine. Sadly I suspect a last chance attempt to salvage her declining small screen presence.
The bottom line is we still await her departure on the long trip.
To be a true adventurer you do not need a mother or father figure. Just get out there and do it.
We live in an equal society so women need to do a bit more than posing for nice pictures.
Suddenly we have this new award.
' For highlighting women in aviation and encouraging girls/young women to pursue their aspirations even if they seem to be beyond reach.'
You need a lot of cash to buy, fuel and fly a Stearman on a long distance flight.
It guzzles twice the fuel and more of Amy Johnsons little Moth.
High powerered rich connections also help as they have done in history.
Lindbergh,Amelia Earhart,Amy Johnson etc. Not exactly living on the breadline.
Sexist awards are it appears now the thing as women need 'highlighting' if they want to be pilots.
What next?
The Old Blokes flying award for leaving the allotment and sitting in a biplane hopefully with a nice well qualified second pilot up front
As an over 65 I can enter for that.
Maybe the Gay Pilots award for long distance flying? ( I have a very good gay friend who has flown his turbine Malibu a couple of times from the US to Asia and back via Nepal.)
Tracy Curtis Taylor addressed a gathered United Nations UK sponsored series of talks a few weeks ago in Geneva to promote women in aviation.
However the gathered audience failed to notice the elephant in the room.
The promo carried this unfortunate picture with a man hiding in the front of the Stearman on arrival in Sydney.
The person hiding from the camera in the picture above is flying instructor Ewald Gritsch who owns the Stearman and was in the front seat for the entire epic 'solo'. In other words a man was helping to further women in aviation.
How hard was that trip of months of battling the elements with just an Ipad and a GPS. Amy did it in 19 days in 1921.
I like the "historic and treacherous solo flight from the UK to Sydney "in the promo above.
No mention of the five star hotel sponsors on her website.
The press pictures en route tell a different story.
Two people in an aircraft on a solo flight?
Maybe time for some answers from the Bird in the Biplane herself?
Maybe time to give Bertrand the hat trick for his superb aviation achievment getting Solar Impulse across the Pacific.
Carol Vorderman made a big song and dance about giving up her tv career to fly around the world to advance womens aviation and in her case she cited Amelia Earhart as her heroine. Sadly I suspect a last chance attempt to salvage her declining small screen presence.
The bottom line is we still await her departure on the long trip.
To be a true adventurer you do not need a mother or father figure. Just get out there and do it.
We live in an equal society so women need to do a bit more than posing for nice pictures.
Suddenly we have this new award.
' For highlighting women in aviation and encouraging girls/young women to pursue their aspirations even if they seem to be beyond reach.'
You need a lot of cash to buy, fuel and fly a Stearman on a long distance flight.
It guzzles twice the fuel and more of Amy Johnsons little Moth.
High powerered rich connections also help as they have done in history.
Lindbergh,Amelia Earhart,Amy Johnson etc. Not exactly living on the breadline.
Sexist awards are it appears now the thing as women need 'highlighting' if they want to be pilots.
What next?
The Old Blokes flying award for leaving the allotment and sitting in a biplane hopefully with a nice well qualified second pilot up front
As an over 65 I can enter for that.
Maybe the Gay Pilots award for long distance flying? ( I have a very good gay friend who has flown his turbine Malibu a couple of times from the US to Asia and back via Nepal.)
Tracy Curtis Taylor addressed a gathered United Nations UK sponsored series of talks a few weeks ago in Geneva to promote women in aviation.
However the gathered audience failed to notice the elephant in the room.
The promo carried this unfortunate picture with a man hiding in the front of the Stearman on arrival in Sydney.
The person hiding from the camera in the picture above is flying instructor Ewald Gritsch who owns the Stearman and was in the front seat for the entire epic 'solo'. In other words a man was helping to further women in aviation.
How hard was that trip of months of battling the elements with just an Ipad and a GPS. Amy did it in 19 days in 1921.
I like the "historic and treacherous solo flight from the UK to Sydney "in the promo above.
No mention of the five star hotel sponsors on her website.
The press pictures en route tell a different story.
Two people in an aircraft on a solo flight?
Maybe time for some answers from the Bird in the Biplane herself?
Maybe time to give Bertrand the hat trick for his superb aviation achievment getting Solar Impulse across the Pacific.
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You are getting a little tedious now Jay.
If you want to influence awards processes, go and get involved with the organisations that award them.
Many people aren't deeply impressed by TCT's achievements, but going on about them like this in public doesn't really add much to anything. TCT won an award for promoting flying for women - in an environment where well under 10% of women are pilots, that means something after all.
A different woman pilot won a prestigious award for being my navigator in a long distance flying competition. She barely touched the controls - I wrote the citation, it was totally honest, and she earned it. But not for flying the aeroplane, which neither of us ever claimed that she did.
I've no idea of Carol Vorderperson is likely to win any award for anything - but would mention that she gives up a very large amount of time for her figurehead role for the Air Cadets organisation. That's not a flying role, but it's doing a lot of good for young people in aviation - and that is worthwhile too and actually using her celebrity to good effect.
Basically, go get involved yourself, the sniping isn't doing you or aviation any great favours. Your point has been made - by multiple people, and is well enough known now.
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If you want to influence awards processes, go and get involved with the organisations that award them.
Many people aren't deeply impressed by TCT's achievements, but going on about them like this in public doesn't really add much to anything. TCT won an award for promoting flying for women - in an environment where well under 10% of women are pilots, that means something after all.
A different woman pilot won a prestigious award for being my navigator in a long distance flying competition. She barely touched the controls - I wrote the citation, it was totally honest, and she earned it. But not for flying the aeroplane, which neither of us ever claimed that she did.
I've no idea of Carol Vorderperson is likely to win any award for anything - but would mention that she gives up a very large amount of time for her figurehead role for the Air Cadets organisation. That's not a flying role, but it's doing a lot of good for young people in aviation - and that is worthwhile too and actually using her celebrity to good effect.
Basically, go get involved yourself, the sniping isn't doing you or aviation any great favours. Your point has been made - by multiple people, and is well enough known now.
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On 27 April you wrote:
I agree that is an excellent GA site. Several people who occasionally post in this forum are very active there.
Blocked all discussion?!!
What the Moderator of that site actually said (earlier the same day) was:
One of the previous threads to which he referred had run for 105 posts before being closed.
In that thread, two posters - Sam Rutherford and someone called 'Old Pilot' (who made the same points over and over again despite pleas by others not to do so) before the Mod eventually said (on 9 Feb 2016):
IMHO the Mod was sensible and reasonable on both occasions.
You have already made a fool of yourself with ill-informed criticism of the 'Air Pilots' and by starting this thread suggesting that Bertrand Piccard should be awarded the Master's Medal for the Solar Impulse flight - and repeating it in your latest post - when he has already been awarded it: See post 12 above.
You have made your point that TCT's flight was not solo in any sensible meaning/interpretation of that term.
No-one has disagreed with that - in either of your other two threads on this topic.
Many of us already knew.
You have made your point that describing it as solo is, at the least, very misleading.
No-one has disagreed with that - in either of your other two threads in this forum.
Please stop sending me PMs.
Like most people, I'm used to receiving junk e-mails but I don't want junk in my PM box.
I'm a lawyer. There are other professionals who can help you with your obsessive compulsive behaviour.
On 27 April you wrote:
The number one UK GA forum has blocked all discussion of this topic.
Blocked all discussion?!!
What the Moderator of that site actually said (earlier the same day) was:
The merits, or otherwise, of this flight have been dissected to subatomic level on previous threads and a rehash thereof is probably not going to give many new or interesting viewpoints.
For that reason this thread will be locked.
If anyone has any strong feelings about this or a convincing argument, feel free to send a PM
For that reason this thread will be locked.
If anyone has any strong feelings about this or a convincing argument, feel free to send a PM
In that thread, two posters - Sam Rutherford and someone called 'Old Pilot' (who made the same points over and over again despite pleas by others not to do so) before the Mod eventually said (on 9 Feb 2016):
I am struggling to think of a good reason to keep this thread open so I'm closing it. If anyone wants to make a plea for it to be brought back to life drop me an email…
You have already made a fool of yourself with ill-informed criticism of the 'Air Pilots' and by starting this thread suggesting that Bertrand Piccard should be awarded the Master's Medal for the Solar Impulse flight - and repeating it in your latest post - when he has already been awarded it: See post 12 above.
You have made your point that TCT's flight was not solo in any sensible meaning/interpretation of that term.
No-one has disagreed with that - in either of your other two threads on this topic.
Many of us already knew.
You have made your point that describing it as solo is, at the least, very misleading.
No-one has disagreed with that - in either of your other two threads in this forum.
Please stop sending me PMs.
Like most people, I'm used to receiving junk e-mails but I don't want junk in my PM box.
I'm a lawyer. There are other professionals who can help you with your obsessive compulsive behaviour.
