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Check the Emirates Group Careers site for starting salary details. You receive 45 AED per hour up to 92 hours before overtime is triggered (on average).
The 3% seems to be at their discretion. We did not receive it this year.
The 3% seems to be at their discretion. We did not receive it this year.
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3 percent didn't happen this year! No pay increase. You will now need to pay money towards your utility bill. The cost of living here has gone up immensely. Inflation is onits way up.
At this time of year the shops tend to put up their prices when most families go home...probably so you don't notice is so much when you get back.
The shops in the malls have put their prices up to counteract the fewer shoppers spending. Why should they lose out because of a credit crunch???!!**
90 hours is a lot of hours and quite a few people are close to that each month. & fatigued.
Lots of night flying. A roster bidding system that is largely uncontrollable.
If you are offered the Boeing maybe it's worth it for the rating and the time. As for the Airbus stay where you are (unless it's the A380 where you won't make money because you won't be flying much).
The contract is not worth the paper it's written on. You will be an expat and treated as such.
At this time of year the shops tend to put up their prices when most families go home...probably so you don't notice is so much when you get back.
The shops in the malls have put their prices up to counteract the fewer shoppers spending. Why should they lose out because of a credit crunch???!!**
90 hours is a lot of hours and quite a few people are close to that each month. & fatigued.
Lots of night flying. A roster bidding system that is largely uncontrollable.
If you are offered the Boeing maybe it's worth it for the rating and the time. As for the Airbus stay where you are (unless it's the A380 where you won't make money because you won't be flying much).
The contract is not worth the paper it's written on. You will be an expat and treated as such.
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Thanks...
Thanks for the headsup. The Emirates Career website is where I came up with the $7,200 per month number.
No offense to anyone, but that just does not seem like a lot... and it seems from your reply that if you're a 5 year FO you're still making the same number unless they choose to give you a raise?
That's $86,000 a year.... for living in Dubai? Yikes!
Please let me know if I'm missing anything!
No offense to anyone, but that just does not seem like a lot... and it seems from your reply that if you're a 5 year FO you're still making the same number unless they choose to give you a raise?
That's $86,000 a year.... for living in Dubai? Yikes!
Please let me know if I'm missing anything!
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No offense to anyone, but that just does not seem like a lot...
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Mate, your question is completely irrelevant....
You just openly stated that you have turned down the course, so if you think that in the current climate you will be given another, you are very much mistaken. We are taking 48 new hires this financial year, 32 invites have gone out, there are around 100 in the pool, so your invite has gone to the next down the list, so... tough titties my friend, even if you did find the package appealing (unlikely) then too bad, you've missed out for a couple of years at least!
Maybe you should have done this sort of 'research' before you came for interview??
Incidentally, this is the first year ever the 3% hasn't been paid. Currently a 4 year F/O is on a basic of circa 25,500 dhs per month ($7000) plus flight pay 4000 dhs for 90 hours ($1100). About $95,000 per year..... I don't see that as being too distressing compared to a US CRJ regional CAPTAIN who will be working harder and earning less (just a wild guess
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You just openly stated that you have turned down the course, so if you think that in the current climate you will be given another, you are very much mistaken. We are taking 48 new hires this financial year, 32 invites have gone out, there are around 100 in the pool, so your invite has gone to the next down the list, so... tough titties my friend, even if you did find the package appealing (unlikely) then too bad, you've missed out for a couple of years at least!
Maybe you should have done this sort of 'research' before you came for interview??
Incidentally, this is the first year ever the 3% hasn't been paid. Currently a 4 year F/O is on a basic of circa 25,500 dhs per month ($7000) plus flight pay 4000 dhs for 90 hours ($1100). About $95,000 per year..... I don't see that as being too distressing compared to a US CRJ regional CAPTAIN who will be working harder and earning less (just a wild guess
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That's $86,000 a year.... for living in Dubai?
With that salary you'd probably be in the 28% tax bracket, right? So you are already on a salary of $110'000. (Don't know if you can avoid US tax though. But that is more a US than an EK problem). Health insurance is paid for and as well housing (if you happen to get a villa...). Even after the last management stunt, most of utilities (cooking gas, elec, water) are are paid as well. For us, cost of living is by far lower then back home. But then again... It all depends on where you come from.
I am on an FO salary and we as a family make a decent living from that wage. Could it be better? Sure it could!
Check what you have in hand and compare. But compare the packages and not just the bare salary stated. The $7200 are "spending money" for me.
Take the $7200 and start adding what you would spend back home for what you get here (no, it's not for free, it's part of the package!!) ($7200+$2000[tax]+.....[housing]+.....[utilities].......)
Don't take me wrong. I am not promoting EK at all. But I think it is worth looking at the full picture and nt only on the shiny new aeroplanes on the one side or the bitching on the other side.
If you are American and love your unionised environment... you'll be at the wrong end here in the sand.
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We don't know the circumstances surrounding him turning down the course, EK often allows delaying a course.
Why quote a 4 year F/O's starting salary, and then compare it to a US Regional Captain, which many might consider irrelevant.
I would prefer being an RJ Captain versus an EK F/O, excluding everything other than job profile, salary, and location location location. The big kicker is the long term prospects and job security, which might not be very good for an RJ dude. It is likely that the long term prospects for an EK F/O are not so good either.
To clarify a few points, if a person comes here with a wife (and even moreso with kids), you will struggle financially until you upgrade to Captain. For new joiners, they will likely not upgrade to Captain for 5 years, and considering the accelerating decline of our disposable income and T&C's it will likely take a year or two at a Captain's salary to be where you would have been had you stayed home. 7 years in the sandpit is a long time!
It is a trap when you come to EK nowadays. You sign on the dotted line, make the big move and then later realize you have just limited all your other options for the next 5 years in your flying career. When reality hits, which can take as short as a few months or up to a few years, it is too late in either case.
I cannot understand the mentality of anyone considering coming to DXB nowadays. The only exclusion to that, are pilots out of work and having no other means to support themselves. It is truly THAT pathetic here, and this is from someone who used to be a big EK supporter.
Don't believe one word that EK spouts to you or shows on their website. EK has one of the unhappiest group of pilots I have ever worked with...... in spite of the fact the company MADE a 400M $ profit. Just wait till they start losing money !
Why quote a 4 year F/O's starting salary, and then compare it to a US Regional Captain, which many might consider irrelevant.
I would prefer being an RJ Captain versus an EK F/O, excluding everything other than job profile, salary, and location location location. The big kicker is the long term prospects and job security, which might not be very good for an RJ dude. It is likely that the long term prospects for an EK F/O are not so good either.
To clarify a few points, if a person comes here with a wife (and even moreso with kids), you will struggle financially until you upgrade to Captain. For new joiners, they will likely not upgrade to Captain for 5 years, and considering the accelerating decline of our disposable income and T&C's it will likely take a year or two at a Captain's salary to be where you would have been had you stayed home. 7 years in the sandpit is a long time!
It is a trap when you come to EK nowadays. You sign on the dotted line, make the big move and then later realize you have just limited all your other options for the next 5 years in your flying career. When reality hits, which can take as short as a few months or up to a few years, it is too late in either case.
I cannot understand the mentality of anyone considering coming to DXB nowadays. The only exclusion to that, are pilots out of work and having no other means to support themselves. It is truly THAT pathetic here, and this is from someone who used to be a big EK supporter.
Don't believe one word that EK spouts to you or shows on their website. EK has one of the unhappiest group of pilots I have ever worked with...... in spite of the fact the company MADE a 400M $ profit. Just wait till they start losing money !
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Incidentally, this is the first year ever the 3% hasn't been paid.
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Just need a little professional opinion
Got an offer for a 777 class. Have a job making descent money right now flying NG's. What's the consensus on the offer? Go or No Go decision? Everything I am reading is bad news. Is there anything out there that is positive about the place. Have to make a decision between current job making approx. 145K tax free a year with the same benefits as Emirates but living in Saudi Arabia or take Emirates offer flying heavies for first year FO pay. Sounds like a stupid question but hoping for a positive outlook.
Thanks.
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There is one in every group isn't there?
Oblaaspop, I very much appreciated your warm and friendly reply. Lemme see if I can clarify a few things for you their 'mate.' First, I'm pretty sure I mentioned I was asking for a friend of mine who has a class date in September. Let me reread my post, yep, sure did. So I find my question pretty relevant.
Point number two. I turned down EK's August class offer because I'm getting married in September. Traveling half way around the world, with my 30 best 'mates' to do it, so jumping into groundschool for the 777 probably wouldn't work.
Subpoint number two dot one. I spoke with the EK hiring department and they have offered to put me in the October Airbus class if they run it. They seem to be a very agreeable sort there in HR, surprising from what I read on these boards.
Point number three. I'm not feeling like my 'titties' have missed out on anything, nor will they, from what I read on the boards here. But I do thank you for your obvious genuine concern.
Point number four. I did do the research when I came out for the interview a year ago. I then filed that information is the "hope to remember.exe" file which obviously is corrupt, hence my questions. But yeah, at some point it was important to me and I knew it.
Point number five. It appears like you believe me to be an RJ captain in the US. Somedays I wish I were, but I'm over here in the sandbox working for a different company that pays about 20% more than the numbers you are quoting...with some pros (and a few cons might I add) over EK.
I hereby apologize to everyone on pprune for wasting valuable electrons trying to get a simple answer to a simple question. I also apologize if I offended anyone by saying 'only' $86,000 for living in Dubai. I was under the impression that Dubai was expensive. Most of all, I want to apologize for any mates that got their titties bent out of shape from my irrelevant queries. I will endeavor to do better.
Mensaboy, thanks for backstop.
And actually, Oblaaspop, thanks for answering my question at the end of your post...coulda done without the first 80% of it though ;0)
I am soooooo outa here!
Oblaaspop, I very much appreciated your warm and friendly reply. Lemme see if I can clarify a few things for you their 'mate.' First, I'm pretty sure I mentioned I was asking for a friend of mine who has a class date in September. Let me reread my post, yep, sure did. So I find my question pretty relevant.
Point number two. I turned down EK's August class offer because I'm getting married in September. Traveling half way around the world, with my 30 best 'mates' to do it, so jumping into groundschool for the 777 probably wouldn't work.
Subpoint number two dot one. I spoke with the EK hiring department and they have offered to put me in the October Airbus class if they run it. They seem to be a very agreeable sort there in HR, surprising from what I read on these boards.
Point number three. I'm not feeling like my 'titties' have missed out on anything, nor will they, from what I read on the boards here. But I do thank you for your obvious genuine concern.
Point number four. I did do the research when I came out for the interview a year ago. I then filed that information is the "hope to remember.exe" file which obviously is corrupt, hence my questions. But yeah, at some point it was important to me and I knew it.
Point number five. It appears like you believe me to be an RJ captain in the US. Somedays I wish I were, but I'm over here in the sandbox working for a different company that pays about 20% more than the numbers you are quoting...with some pros (and a few cons might I add) over EK.
I hereby apologize to everyone on pprune for wasting valuable electrons trying to get a simple answer to a simple question. I also apologize if I offended anyone by saying 'only' $86,000 for living in Dubai. I was under the impression that Dubai was expensive. Most of all, I want to apologize for any mates that got their titties bent out of shape from my irrelevant queries. I will endeavor to do better.
Mensaboy, thanks for backstop.
And actually, Oblaaspop, thanks for answering my question at the end of your post...coulda done without the first 80% of it though ;0)
I am soooooo outa here!
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Surfa, I think everything that has either been reduced or taken away,
or how they will handle (read sack) you if you make a mistake
has been covered at least 3 times now.
Only you can add up your list of pros and cons that apply
to your personal situation.
You must choose............choose wisely
or how they will handle (read sack) you if you make a mistake
has been covered at least 3 times now.
Only you can add up your list of pros and cons that apply
to your personal situation.
You must choose............choose wisely
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Just to add to the debate about rj captain versus EK FO...
When i interviewed last year, i was working as an erj captain who also was a check airman. At the time of my interview, i was making approximately $100k per year and living in base. I was content with my job but emirates offered an exciting lifestyle for both my wife and kids. I was in the pool hoping to get a call for a class. I waited and waited like the other poolies just dreaming about a chance to work at emirates. Then came the delay in aircraft orders, the meltdown of the global economy, and the debacle of the dubai economy. As the weeks turned into months, i started realizing that emirates did not view me as a viable candidate for a class for the simple fact that i flew erjs even though i was the only person that was hired from my group that included boeing and airbus guys. Simply, you are qualified but not as much as others.
I was also in the pool for JetBlue. I started class at JetBlue and have not looked back. I listed pros and cons for both emirates and jetblue. I think they both are excellent jobs but it came down to a simple decision: where would i be happier? Where would i be valued as an employee? Where would i want to retire at?
Lastly, i came to a decision based on my family needs. I could always find another job, but i can not find another wife and kids. I also thought about if i was layed off or terminated for any reason, i could always get unemployment in the states and survive for the foreseable future. In Dubai, i have to find a means to pay off my debt so that i dont have to go to jail, ship my goods, and get my family out as soon as possible. I will always be able to contest my termination such that the company is bounded by legality.
During airport appreciation time, i have chased down emirate crews to get their perspectives at jfk. To my amusement, they have all advised me (with the exception of a local emirati) to not make the move to dubai if i am happy with my current job.
Surfa, if you are making decent money at your current job, then why would you want to make less at a company that continuously changes rules, does not respect you as an employee, and subjecates you to disciplinary action without objection. Everyone wants to roll the dice and gamble with their futures. At the end, i am not a gambler.
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When i interviewed last year, i was working as an erj captain who also was a check airman. At the time of my interview, i was making approximately $100k per year and living in base. I was content with my job but emirates offered an exciting lifestyle for both my wife and kids. I was in the pool hoping to get a call for a class. I waited and waited like the other poolies just dreaming about a chance to work at emirates. Then came the delay in aircraft orders, the meltdown of the global economy, and the debacle of the dubai economy. As the weeks turned into months, i started realizing that emirates did not view me as a viable candidate for a class for the simple fact that i flew erjs even though i was the only person that was hired from my group that included boeing and airbus guys. Simply, you are qualified but not as much as others.
I was also in the pool for JetBlue. I started class at JetBlue and have not looked back. I listed pros and cons for both emirates and jetblue. I think they both are excellent jobs but it came down to a simple decision: where would i be happier? Where would i be valued as an employee? Where would i want to retire at?
Lastly, i came to a decision based on my family needs. I could always find another job, but i can not find another wife and kids. I also thought about if i was layed off or terminated for any reason, i could always get unemployment in the states and survive for the foreseable future. In Dubai, i have to find a means to pay off my debt so that i dont have to go to jail, ship my goods, and get my family out as soon as possible. I will always be able to contest my termination such that the company is bounded by legality.
During airport appreciation time, i have chased down emirate crews to get their perspectives at jfk. To my amusement, they have all advised me (with the exception of a local emirati) to not make the move to dubai if i am happy with my current job.
Surfa, if you are making decent money at your current job, then why would you want to make less at a company that continuously changes rules, does not respect you as an employee, and subjecates you to disciplinary action without objection. Everyone wants to roll the dice and gamble with their futures. At the end, i am not a gambler.
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Most EK pilots will think that you made one sound and another risky decision here. Up to you to guess which is which ...
An "offer" and a "if" by EK! lol.
Not even a written contract is valued by these guys, so simply imagine what the above's worth ....
Agree with that. Just consider them like "spokesmen" of governements or big companies. These people are trained in rhethorics, reading prepared statements and making a presentable impression. Not a clue though about reality in the company.
If you are what you pretend, then you should definitely know better.
To all the poolies, very sorry for the pessimistic news and reports. Rants and complaints are a integral part of pilots lives, I know. What is different here, is that we are warning everybody about something that is simply unaccepatable:
Breach of contract and no legal recourse.
That makes you basically a slave, well payed, but you are at the unconditional mercy of the employer. He can pay you as he likes, fire you when he wants and freeze your assets in his country at his will.
When the industry roars, it's fine, you can leave without remorse and because they know, they treat you ok. When however the crisis hits like now, they know you run out of options and they exploit it mercilessly. You end up trapped, as most of us with kids, houses, bonds etc. end completely exposed to their arbitrary society.
I turned down EK's August class offer because I'm getting married in September
I spoke with the EK hiring department and they have offered to put me in the October Airbus class if they run it
Not even a written contract is valued by these guys, so simply imagine what the above's worth ....
They seem to be a very agreeable sort there in HR, surprising from what I read on these boards
It appears like you believe me to be an RJ captain in the US. Somedays I wish I were, but I'm over here in the sandbox working for a different company
To all the poolies, very sorry for the pessimistic news and reports. Rants and complaints are a integral part of pilots lives, I know. What is different here, is that we are warning everybody about something that is simply unaccepatable:
Breach of contract and no legal recourse.
That makes you basically a slave, well payed, but you are at the unconditional mercy of the employer. He can pay you as he likes, fire you when he wants and freeze your assets in his country at his will.
When the industry roars, it's fine, you can leave without remorse and because they know, they treat you ok. When however the crisis hits like now, they know you run out of options and they exploit it mercilessly. You end up trapped, as most of us with kids, houses, bonds etc. end completely exposed to their arbitrary society.
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the beating continues
They GROUNDED another 2 pilots who were being MARSHALLED into a gate when they touched the jetty with one of their engines. They were under marshaller authority when this happened !!!
COME ON EK, what's next ????
I think anyone eager to join this s(t)inking ship should know it by know what he is getting himself and his family into. And don't tell us we didn't warn you.
Until morale improves, the beating will continue.
COME ON EK, what's next ????
I think anyone eager to join this s(t)inking ship should know it by know what he is getting himself and his family into. And don't tell us we didn't warn you.
Until morale improves, the beating will continue.
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"Having been removed from the roster to facilitate the investigation, the crew have now returned to normal duty."
As were the crew that had a cargo fire warning a while back. The sky is not falling. Don't create a panic.
Isn't it normal when someone has an incident to be removed from duty pending the results of an investigation be it here or any other airline?
"Having been removed from the roster to facilitate the investigation, the crew have now returned to normal duty."
As were the crew that had a cargo fire warning a while back. The sky is not falling. Don't create a panic.
Isn't it normal when someone has an incident to be removed from duty pending the results of an investigation be it here or any other airline?
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Isn't it normal when someone has an incident to be removed from duty pending the results of an investigation be it here or any other airline?
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Pool, don't get me started about getting married ;0) Talk about a debacle in the making!
For the life of me I don't understand why everyone is so skeptical around here, or secretive for that matter, I am not pretending to be anyone. I'm a lowly 737 FO flying here in the ME like the rest of us. For some reason I'm hesitant to say where I fly, but suffice it to say, it is the largest chuck of sand around with by far the most oil. Of course it is also the most restrictive of the Kingdoms around too.....
Having read all this EK bashing I have to admit I'm very concerned about coming over there and no longer anticipate doing so, although if things go sideways here I may. Doubtful though.
Good luck to everyone over there at EK. I wish everyone the best!
For the life of me I don't understand why everyone is so skeptical around here, or secretive for that matter, I am not pretending to be anyone. I'm a lowly 737 FO flying here in the ME like the rest of us. For some reason I'm hesitant to say where I fly, but suffice it to say, it is the largest chuck of sand around with by far the most oil. Of course it is also the most restrictive of the Kingdoms around too.....
Having read all this EK bashing I have to admit I'm very concerned about coming over there and no longer anticipate doing so, although if things go sideways here I may. Doubtful though.
Good luck to everyone over there at EK. I wish everyone the best!
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Sorry Fullboat, must have been squinting and missed the bit about enquiring about a friend (although not blindingly obvious - BTW is he not capable of using a computer?). Anyway, I'll take the hit, my bad......
I must say though, they would have to pay me a darn sight more than 20% extra to work in KSA
As another point for some of the other harbingers of doom on this esteemed forum, I completely fail to see how what EK pay, means that F/O's are on the bread line. Yes Dubai has become expensive, but if you don't have to send loads of money back home, MOST of what you earn is spending money.
Guys, instead of jumping on a bandwagon, why don't you back up your rhetoric with facts ie income vs STATUTORY outgoings like you would have in your previous life. I've stated facts and figures before, why don't others do the same??
Newbie, out of interest, I presume the $100k you were earning as a check airman back home was subject to tax? I also presume your previous employer didn't pay for your house etc? Therefore I will presume you would be financially much better off at EK? Not having a pop, but these are the sorts of things we all need to be reminded of from time to time........ (Just to be sure I stated FINANCIALLY better off, not emotionally!!)
I must say though, they would have to pay me a darn sight more than 20% extra to work in KSA
As another point for some of the other harbingers of doom on this esteemed forum, I completely fail to see how what EK pay, means that F/O's are on the bread line. Yes Dubai has become expensive, but if you don't have to send loads of money back home, MOST of what you earn is spending money.
Guys, instead of jumping on a bandwagon, why don't you back up your rhetoric with facts ie income vs STATUTORY outgoings like you would have in your previous life. I've stated facts and figures before, why don't others do the same??
Newbie, out of interest, I presume the $100k you were earning as a check airman back home was subject to tax? I also presume your previous employer didn't pay for your house etc? Therefore I will presume you would be financially much better off at EK? Not having a pop, but these are the sorts of things we all need to be reminded of from time to time........ (Just to be sure I stated FINANCIALLY better off, not emotionally!!)