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65% growth between now and 2018( not a double), that does not upgrade those that are at EK already
@ 700 upgrades 1100 capt now = 1800 call it 1900 with some movement, 2300 pilots right now, sorry but thats the math.
If you still come to EK dont start whinging the day you get to the line
@ 700 upgrades 1100 capt now = 1800 call it 1900 with some movement, 2300 pilots right now, sorry but thats the math.
If you still come to EK dont start whinging the day you get to the line
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That's a fact.
Those willing to come will have to balance and explore the positive side of being a First Officer for a long time. That are good things about it, of course. The money could be still good depending on your standards and could be higher than many countries are paying to a captain.
I would not maintain any expectation to upgrade right now, because that would lead only to frustrations.
I would not maintain any expectation to upgrade right now, because that would lead only to frustrations.
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So, realistically what would you propose as a realistic expectation for upgrading on 777 and Airbus?
To come here, depending on your current situation(no job, bad job, really underpaid), is an upgrade already. It's a safe job. It may take a while as an FO, but you have a career, a number and still good benefits. Many I know are been fired from Asian companies after their contracts are expired, no matter they are excellent pilots and have a family to support.
It's true there's a DEC problem here, what sucks for an FO, but it's also true that many pilots leave when situation becomes better at home.
Anyway, upgrade time is not a good point at EK at this time.
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EK Last Upgrade Policy
Command Upgrade
The Company criteria for command upgrade are as follows:
• A minimum of 36 months in Emirates.
• 6,000 hours total time.
• 4,000 hard hours.
• 12 months on type from the commencement of line training.
• Satisfactory completion of the Command Assessment Program.
• Command opportunities are offered to First Officers who meet the above requirements and have achieved satisfactory performance reviews.
Please note that 36 months is the minimum time to command. With expected delays in aircraft demands and changing demands from Fleet, the time to command is expected to be over three years.
The Company criteria for command upgrade are as follows:
• A minimum of 36 months in Emirates.
• 6,000 hours total time.
• 4,000 hard hours.
• 12 months on type from the commencement of line training.
• Satisfactory completion of the Command Assessment Program.
• Command opportunities are offered to First Officers who meet the above requirements and have achieved satisfactory performance reviews.
Please note that 36 months is the minimum time to command. With expected delays in aircraft demands and changing demands from Fleet, the time to command is expected to be over three years.
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Given the fact that Emirates will need somewhere in the region of 700 Captains between now and 2018, provided there are no further delays or cancelations of aircraft orders. Also provided there are NO more DEC's (yeah right).
If NO more F/O's were hired between now and 2018, there would still be 4-500 F/O's who are on the current seniority list waiting for upgrade to Captain in roughly 10 years from now.
Based on these numbers, any F/O joining EK now will likely be waiting 15 years. 15 years based on the company expanding as planned and no further world economic crisis, flu pandemic, terrorism, war etc, etc.
With all of the current contract and COS degradations the package is no longer good enough to spend this amount of time in the right seat living in a third/fourth world country.
The biggest drawcard of Emirates has, and will always be a "first officer fast tracking his career". Another drawcard which no longer exists.
There are other opportunities around.
If NO more F/O's were hired between now and 2018, there would still be 4-500 F/O's who are on the current seniority list waiting for upgrade to Captain in roughly 10 years from now.
Based on these numbers, any F/O joining EK now will likely be waiting 15 years. 15 years based on the company expanding as planned and no further world economic crisis, flu pandemic, terrorism, war etc, etc.
With all of the current contract and COS degradations the package is no longer good enough to spend this amount of time in the right seat living in a third/fourth world country.
The biggest drawcard of Emirates has, and will always be a "first officer fast tracking his career". Another drawcard which no longer exists.
There are other opportunities around.
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cosmodrift got it wrong (again)
He should read the cr@p in the FCI again. 
He intentionally didn't mention the most important one : minimum 3000 hrs hard time on EK TYPE. For guys with only <55T time: they will need 4000 hrs hard time on EK type. Not in the bunk, not in the sim but stick time on the T7 or 330(340).
He intentionally didn't mention the most important one : minimum 3000 hrs hard time on EK TYPE. For guys with only <55T time: they will need 4000 hrs hard time on EK type. Not in the bunk, not in the sim but stick time on the T7 or 330(340).
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I think I have made very clear (for those who aren't retarded like you) upgrades at EK are to take a very long time right now.
Why don't you read the previous posts before open this big mouth of yours?
PS: Same applies to your new boyfriend above.
Why don't you read the previous posts before open this big mouth of yours?
PS: Same applies to your new boyfriend above.
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Guess the truth hurts eh Cosmo?
A large percentage of your posts has suggested that EK is the best place in the world to come. Sorry, but you seem to be the only one to share that view.
You are clearly in a world of your own, and either can't accept the truth of what's going on here, or the sad reality of your life to this point is that EK is the best thing you have experienced.
Overall you sound like a very sad little man, or woman from HR.
A large percentage of your posts has suggested that EK is the best place in the world to come. Sorry, but you seem to be the only one to share that view.
You are clearly in a world of your own, and either can't accept the truth of what's going on here, or the sad reality of your life to this point is that EK is the best thing you have experienced.
Overall you sound like a very sad little man, or woman from HR.
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Guess the truth hurts eh Cosmo?
A large percentage of your posts has suggested that EK is the best place in the world to come.
Sorry, but you seem to be the only one to share that view.
You are clearly in a world of your own
Overall you sound like a very sad little man, or woman from HR
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For anyone coming in now as a DEC, I hope that you check out the requirements as they are now, and meet them. .
These requirements now are:-
1) A minimum of 10,000 hours Total Time prior to joining Emirates.
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2) A minimum of 4,000 hours Hard Time.
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3) A minimum of 3,000 hours Command Experience on EK aircraft type or minimum of 1,500 hours on EK aircraft type and 1,500 on a commercial aircraft with MTOW greater than 55 tonne, and current within 12 months before joining Emirates and holding a valid type and instrument rating.
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4) Preference will be given to type rated A330/A340/A380 or B777 & instructors.
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5) Valid ICAO ATPL.
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6) Must join before 56th birthday.
The above is posted merely for information. I don't know if they will hold you to it if you already have an offer, but I would make very sure that the rug is not pulled out from under your feet when you get here.
These requirements now are:-
1) A minimum of 10,000 hours Total Time prior to joining Emirates.
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2) A minimum of 4,000 hours Hard Time.
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3) A minimum of 3,000 hours Command Experience on EK aircraft type or minimum of 1,500 hours on EK aircraft type and 1,500 on a commercial aircraft with MTOW greater than 55 tonne, and current within 12 months before joining Emirates and holding a valid type and instrument rating.
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4) Preference will be given to type rated A330/A340/A380 or B777 & instructors.
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5) Valid ICAO ATPL.
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6) Must join before 56th birthday.
The above is posted merely for information. I don't know if they will hold you to it if you already have an offer, but I would make very sure that the rug is not pulled out from under your feet when you get here.
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Hey guys for your info,
Was told today at the first officer meeting that there are 16 aircraft deliveries this financial year, 36 command upgrades this financial year, as of the next financial year ie.2010-2011..NO UPGRADES and NO DELIVERIES!!
Just wanted to share that for those thinking of making the hop over!!
Was told today at the first officer meeting that there are 16 aircraft deliveries this financial year, 36 command upgrades this financial year, as of the next financial year ie.2010-2011..NO UPGRADES and NO DELIVERIES!!
Just wanted to share that for those thinking of making the hop over!!
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Consider this too
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Clark said he sees EK operating around 163 aircraft in three years, "and we have to consider the 58 aircraft we have to retire, including the A330-200, A340-300 and 777-200/-300 classics."
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Clark said he sees EK operating around 163 aircraft in three years, "and we have to consider the 58 aircraft we have to retire, including the A330-200, A340-300 and 777-200/-300 classics."
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It sucks, but...
Considering this tread is for the poolies, and obviously the poolies are looking for a new job, maybe these questions apply:
How long it would take to become a Captain if someone joins, for example, American Airlines today? Or United? Or BA?
And in which aircraft would you be promoted?
Lots of white heads on the right seat over there, as I recall.
If you are coming, forget about upgrade in the short term. That's not a selling point now. However, in a long term...
Remember few companies, in a restricted hiring universe, offers you a career, a number. Many hire for a pre-established contract which means they hire an FO to do an FO job until they let you go. Or, there are many others that make you believe they are going to promote you and when the time come, they don't. Not mentioning companies that are making efforts to get rid of all expats.
EK is the company that upgraded more expatriated pilots ever. PERIOD.
To blame the company now because the waiting will be much longer, ignoring everything that is going on in the aviation industry nowadays is to be, to say the minimum, unfair or selfish.
How long it would take to become a Captain if someone joins, for example, American Airlines today? Or United? Or BA?
And in which aircraft would you be promoted?
Lots of white heads on the right seat over there, as I recall.
If you are coming, forget about upgrade in the short term. That's not a selling point now. However, in a long term...
Remember few companies, in a restricted hiring universe, offers you a career, a number. Many hire for a pre-established contract which means they hire an FO to do an FO job until they let you go. Or, there are many others that make you believe they are going to promote you and when the time come, they don't. Not mentioning companies that are making efforts to get rid of all expats.
EK is the company that upgraded more expatriated pilots ever. PERIOD.
To blame the company now because the waiting will be much longer, ignoring everything that is going on in the aviation industry nowadays is to be, to say the minimum, unfair or selfish.
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Cosmo, EK has obviously worked for you and we can all hear it. But the notion of comparing EK to AA or United, BA is just not a fair comparison and it drives me when i hear it. Do AA, United or BA hire Direct Entry Captains like yourself ? Not a chance.
Do they provide law's safeguarding us here, a sense of community, is there any heart to this place? Can you feel the love next time you drive down SZR? People come here for an accelerated program for faster career progression and extra compensation for the sacrifice. And we deserve every last dollar and more...believe it !
So why would people come now? What is the selling point? Job security I guess only because the rest of the world is in a tight spot. I came for a quick upgrade along with about 2000 other pilots in the last 15 years. If the rules have changed then the decision is different.
I don't regret coming and am happy with my decision but let's not glorify the story. Many people in the right seat would be more than happy staying where they are living in a free society, trusting others, backed by laws, living in cleaner air, and not having to watch their back at every decision.
Do they provide law's safeguarding us here, a sense of community, is there any heart to this place? Can you feel the love next time you drive down SZR? People come here for an accelerated program for faster career progression and extra compensation for the sacrifice. And we deserve every last dollar and more...believe it !
So why would people come now? What is the selling point? Job security I guess only because the rest of the world is in a tight spot. I came for a quick upgrade along with about 2000 other pilots in the last 15 years. If the rules have changed then the decision is different.
I don't regret coming and am happy with my decision but let's not glorify the story. Many people in the right seat would be more than happy staying where they are living in a free society, trusting others, backed by laws, living in cleaner air, and not having to watch their back at every decision.
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Inconsistent and contradictory statements...
But the notion of comparing EK to AA or United, BA is just not a fair comparison...
People come here for an accelerated program for faster career progression and extra compensation for the sacrifice.
Do they provide law's safeguarding us here, a sense of community, is there any heart to this place? Can you feel the love next time you drive down SZR?
So why would people come now? What is the selling point? Job security I guess only because the rest of the world is in a tight spot.
Other people can also find a good life here, specially if you don't get yourself 100% fixed on the bad side. Anyway all of us are here because we are volunteers. Nobody is pointing you no gun to stay.
Many people in the right seat would be more than happy staying where they are living in a free society, trusting others, backed by laws, living in cleaner air, and not having to watch their back at every decision.
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You seem to be lost in your own little shisha world. Why don't you compare expat airlines to expat airlines, so your arguement is relevant. We are still 30% short of CX in pay and benefits, and that's B scale. How many mainline AA, BA, UAL pilots do we have here? Anybody, anybody? Nope, didn't think so...wait a minute, maybe a couple DEC's on the double dip, good for them.
People are here because they had no better option or thought it might be a good opportunity for a quick command and a good experience. Fair enough, and most of us try to make the best of it but don't try to sell this place like some kind of windfall best job in the world. Aviation as a whole is in trouble, and this is currently a good place to hid. If it ever comes back in a positive way, we'll see how many of us stick around. This place could give a rats A@@ about any of us....including you.
People are here because they had no better option or thought it might be a good opportunity for a quick command and a good experience. Fair enough, and most of us try to make the best of it but don't try to sell this place like some kind of windfall best job in the world. Aviation as a whole is in trouble, and this is currently a good place to hid. If it ever comes back in a positive way, we'll see how many of us stick around. This place could give a rats A@@ about any of us....including you.