CTC Wings ATP Scheme (Merged)
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According the website:
"Applications currently closed
Please note: The CTC Wings ATP route is currently closed for applications. At this time we have fulfilled the requirement for CTC Wings ATP and we have, therefore, temporarily closed the application system for new CTC Wings ATP applicants. Please enter your email address below to register for updates or monitor the website over the coming months for further updates on when the programme is likely to re-open."
After sending an application online beginning of april, I received an email telling me that I passed phase 1 and had to book an assessment online. This was april 23th.
That same day I visited the website looking for available assessment dates. There was just one date available: may 29th. Next day I went to the website again to confirm my assessment but I was already to late. All places gone.
A few days later when I tried the exact same as explained before it happened to me again. One date available (want to arrange things for my trip to Southampton) next day fully booked.
And now it's closed.
"Applications currently closed
Please note: The CTC Wings ATP route is currently closed for applications. At this time we have fulfilled the requirement for CTC Wings ATP and we have, therefore, temporarily closed the application system for new CTC Wings ATP applicants. Please enter your email address below to register for updates or monitor the website over the coming months for further updates on when the programme is likely to re-open."
After sending an application online beginning of april, I received an email telling me that I passed phase 1 and had to book an assessment online. This was april 23th.
That same day I visited the website looking for available assessment dates. There was just one date available: may 29th. Next day I went to the website again to confirm my assessment but I was already to late. All places gone.
A few days later when I tried the exact same as explained before it happened to me again. One date available (want to arrange things for my trip to Southampton) next day fully booked.
And now it's closed.
We're about to see a massive lull in airline recruitment. Airlines continue to go bust and now there are even more experienced pilots looking for a job. Their hold pool for the ATP scheme isn't empty like some people say, it's at least 60+.
No, you're right. CTC won't go bust.
Don't be fooled by easyJets strong market position. They aren't expanding and we're heading into a rough trading environment, in a softening European market. Monthly A320 deliveries are replacing the 2004 A319s, contributing towards a stronger dilution of A319:A320 which requires no more flight deck positions than before. The only thing that is changing is capacity, not fleet size.
CTC probably make more money placing you with an airline on the flexicrew scheme than they do on putting you through AQC and TR. They have a history of turning the ATP scheme on and off like a tap so I wouldn't look into it too much. It's almost like an emergency workforce supply when demand suddenly peaks.
- You wanna bet?
Don't be fooled by easyJets strong market position. They aren't expanding and we're heading into a rough trading environment, in a softening European market. Monthly A320 deliveries are replacing the 2004 A319s, contributing towards a stronger dilution of A319:A320 which requires no more flight deck positions than before. The only thing that is changing is capacity, not fleet size.
CTC probably make more money placing you with an airline on the flexicrew scheme than they do on putting you through AQC and TR. They have a history of turning the ATP scheme on and off like a tap so I wouldn't look into it too much. It's almost like an emergency workforce supply when demand suddenly peaks.
It lines that CTC supply to are not at risk of going bust. Ezy, BE, MON etc.
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Well Dominoes Pizza forbid me of trying to perform VOR/DME's approaches while delivering their pizzas,apparently the pepperonis were displaced...So,this ATP thing was the last hope for a 30 year old here in UK,It was between getting a instructors rating but then,there's little prospects on that too.
I've attended the Flyer professional flight training exhibition a week ago and I have to say,what a load of bull...!The funniest thing is that BALPA also has a stand in there and you wish someone in the Union would try to influence,push to a tighter control(don't want to sound naive but..) You see some companies like ACA,CTC,CAE,OAA etc.. going on about "the massive pilot shortage that we're facing..",it's almost criminal,and very unethical business practices I would say. I see it in a similar fashion as the way the banking crisis started,bank loans to people and business who couldn't afford it?well,they are selling courses in masses,promising the misinformed something they can barely deliver if at all(not taking personal responsibility of the issue,no one should jump into this without researching).
Anyway,looking at my case,30 now and used to work for an airline,only started flight training because I thought that the 2008 crisis would be somewhat over by 2012 and I was wrong,I couldn't predict anyway.A lot of my flight crew colleagues told me to go for it as the timing would be right,and it did seem right.Now I have the blue book,my old job won't take me back because of the "merger" they are going through... although I had a contract,so that back up plan failed.Been turned down by other jobs in other sectors because I have a pilots license,I'm either over-qualified or they fear I will leave once a pilot job show's up,when I omit the fact I have a license,it gives me 1 year 1/2 gap to fill in....So,got good reasons for a very strong drink this friday night lol Where are you guys going from now?as I stand,116 applications(non aviation)10 responses,3 interviews=no offer,2 cabin crew applications,1 interview=got the job but on hold pool,can be on it for a year or more apparently(was told that BA, for example,last year they had over 10,000 candidates,some with masters degrees,this country is going down the pan...) ah...I am also sick and tired of this
Sorry for hijacking the thread
I've attended the Flyer professional flight training exhibition a week ago and I have to say,what a load of bull...!The funniest thing is that BALPA also has a stand in there and you wish someone in the Union would try to influence,push to a tighter control(don't want to sound naive but..) You see some companies like ACA,CTC,CAE,OAA etc.. going on about "the massive pilot shortage that we're facing..",it's almost criminal,and very unethical business practices I would say. I see it in a similar fashion as the way the banking crisis started,bank loans to people and business who couldn't afford it?well,they are selling courses in masses,promising the misinformed something they can barely deliver if at all(not taking personal responsibility of the issue,no one should jump into this without researching).
Anyway,looking at my case,30 now and used to work for an airline,only started flight training because I thought that the 2008 crisis would be somewhat over by 2012 and I was wrong,I couldn't predict anyway.A lot of my flight crew colleagues told me to go for it as the timing would be right,and it did seem right.Now I have the blue book,my old job won't take me back because of the "merger" they are going through... although I had a contract,so that back up plan failed.Been turned down by other jobs in other sectors because I have a pilots license,I'm either over-qualified or they fear I will leave once a pilot job show's up,when I omit the fact I have a license,it gives me 1 year 1/2 gap to fill in....So,got good reasons for a very strong drink this friday night lol Where are you guys going from now?as I stand,116 applications(non aviation)10 responses,3 interviews=no offer,2 cabin crew applications,1 interview=got the job but on hold pool,can be on it for a year or more apparently(was told that BA, for example,last year they had over 10,000 candidates,some with masters degrees,this country is going down the pan...) ah...I am also sick and tired of this
Sorry for hijacking the thread
Times have changed with regards to the age thing. In 1995 the fact you are 30 may have worked against you but it's not much of an issue anymore from what I have seen. Others may disagree.
I'd steer well clear of CTC for the time being. £8K can be better spent on something like a FI rating. It's a shame because the GAPAN FI scholarship closed recently which may have been worth applying for. I wish I did..
BALPA are a lost cause.
I'd steer well clear of CTC for the time being. £8K can be better spent on something like a FI rating. It's a shame because the GAPAN FI scholarship closed recently which may have been worth applying for. I wish I did..
BALPA are a lost cause.
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I was genuinely sorry to read your tail,
I gave up my flying ambitions when Dan Air and Air Europe went bust and have worked on the ground ever since. I have however picked up more than one redundancy tee shirt during that time and have worked for more carriers than Jack Nicholas has golf clubs.
This business........just breaks your heart........
I was genuinely sorry to read your tail,
I gave up my flying ambitions when Dan Air and Air Europe went bust and have worked on the ground ever since. I have however picked up more than one redundancy tee shirt during that time and have worked for more carriers than Jack Nicholas has golf clubs.
This business........just breaks your heart........
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Hey folks, I would like to hear from anyone that has been through the CTC ATP program. If you managed to get a job with one of their partners or maybe still in their hold pool, it doesn't matter either way, just researching options for the future. I hear expect a 2-3 year wait in the pool.
Cheers.
P.s. I realise the program is currently closed.
Cheers.
P.s. I realise the program is currently closed.
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Hello,
Does anyone know when is CTC going to start calling in cadets or ATP guys for Monarch? Any other airlines expected to pick in the pool before the end of the year?
Many thanks
Does anyone know when is CTC going to start calling in cadets or ATP guys for Monarch? Any other airlines expected to pick in the pool before the end of the year?
Many thanks
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I believe the lack of transparency by CTC, is not the way a serious company should operate.
It should be a a fairly simple task for CTC to provide a list of ATP candidates that have been employed, instead they are keeping it "top secret" so it will be easier to tempt suckers to part with £10.000 for a fixed base MCC/JOC course, that's what it really is!
Understandable such a list did not need to be available for the general public, but anybody put in the hold pool should be able to get such a list, so that every individual could make their own risk assessment before they part with their cash.
CTC is trying to make the moral high ground, that they are "world leaders" within recruitment, if they are so proud of their record, what do they have to hide, since they do not provide such a list.
Hard facts/figures, 50 pilots, each paying up to £10.000 for a useless MCC/JOC course, adds up to £500.000.
Now of these 50, how many of them get a job directly trough CTC? That would be fairly simple question to answer, however for me personally it seems more like a backyard dealer, trying to con you into buying a product, without disclosing the end product as they refuse to give you ANY promise.
For me it is a con, and it would surprise me if of those 50 pilots, more than 10 would ever get a proper job. On these forums not many have come and said they been on the ATP and got a job, wonder why?
Fact is that of these 50, many probably get job from other source, or they simply drop of, no longer current, holding appropriate licences etc.
For me as long as this is how they operate, I have to say, I would not put ANY trust in CTC ATP Scam, yes, that's what I called it, not scheme, but scam!
Sorry I have seen them up personal, and if they telling me that these coffee ladies, are capable of selecting the best pilot candidates, you are having a laugh, seriously!
I have worked with many people, small and big team, and seen both leadership and the lack of it! These ladies performing the selection would not know the difference between a donkey and a full blood stallion!
I would personally say, spend £10.000 on something else, I am no fan of P2F, but that is a way better option than this CTC ATP Scam.
Challenge: How may here in these forums, have gained permanent employment trough ATP?
Also those who get offered 6 months with EZY, what a joke, so you going to pay for your TR, work 6 months on flexi contract, and after go on the dole?
CTC ATP is the pilots enemy, helping to bring down T & C's for all involved!
There are much better things to spend your money on than CTC!
It should be a a fairly simple task for CTC to provide a list of ATP candidates that have been employed, instead they are keeping it "top secret" so it will be easier to tempt suckers to part with £10.000 for a fixed base MCC/JOC course, that's what it really is!
Understandable such a list did not need to be available for the general public, but anybody put in the hold pool should be able to get such a list, so that every individual could make their own risk assessment before they part with their cash.
CTC is trying to make the moral high ground, that they are "world leaders" within recruitment, if they are so proud of their record, what do they have to hide, since they do not provide such a list.
Hard facts/figures, 50 pilots, each paying up to £10.000 for a useless MCC/JOC course, adds up to £500.000.
Now of these 50, how many of them get a job directly trough CTC? That would be fairly simple question to answer, however for me personally it seems more like a backyard dealer, trying to con you into buying a product, without disclosing the end product as they refuse to give you ANY promise.
For me it is a con, and it would surprise me if of those 50 pilots, more than 10 would ever get a proper job. On these forums not many have come and said they been on the ATP and got a job, wonder why?
Fact is that of these 50, many probably get job from other source, or they simply drop of, no longer current, holding appropriate licences etc.
For me as long as this is how they operate, I have to say, I would not put ANY trust in CTC ATP Scam, yes, that's what I called it, not scheme, but scam!
Sorry I have seen them up personal, and if they telling me that these coffee ladies, are capable of selecting the best pilot candidates, you are having a laugh, seriously!
I have worked with many people, small and big team, and seen both leadership and the lack of it! These ladies performing the selection would not know the difference between a donkey and a full blood stallion!
I would personally say, spend £10.000 on something else, I am no fan of P2F, but that is a way better option than this CTC ATP Scam.
Challenge: How may here in these forums, have gained permanent employment trough ATP?
Also those who get offered 6 months with EZY, what a joke, so you going to pay for your TR, work 6 months on flexi contract, and after go on the dole?
CTC ATP is the pilots enemy, helping to bring down T & C's for all involved!
There are much better things to spend your money on than CTC!
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Isn't that just a classical response to this issue, trying to reassure yourself that spending almost £10.000 with CTC ATP scam was not a money down the drain project!
I think the points I raise are valid points, why all the secrecy, why not provide full disclosure of how many of their ATP pilots get permanent contract?
A friend of mine chose to go to EJ is now on $4000 a month with Lion Air, was hard in the start, and he wants to leave at one stage, but at least they provide more than a pool with no facts of how they actually are doing!
It does say a little about how desperate pilots are, to accept such scam of no promises, and also giving away £10.000 to CTC as a part of enhancing their career!
In ANY other buisness CTC would have been under scrutiny to disclose all valid information, such that the candidates can make their OWN calculated risk assessment before they part with their money.
Som can continue stick their head in the sand and believe in fairy tales, but I have seen NONE come on these forums and say they are happy after CTC ATP, still the sheep continue flocking towards the edge!
Save your money for FIC or a TR with a job!
Instead of listening to CTC ATP empty promises!
Unless they can provide proper transparency, than I can only say they are operating similar as rogue traders, preying on newbies dream of flying a jet!
Isn't that just a classical response to this issue, trying to reassure yourself that spending almost £10.000 with CTC ATP scam was not a money down the drain project!
I think the points I raise are valid points, why all the secrecy, why not provide full disclosure of how many of their ATP pilots get permanent contract?
A friend of mine chose to go to EJ is now on $4000 a month with Lion Air, was hard in the start, and he wants to leave at one stage, but at least they provide more than a pool with no facts of how they actually are doing!
It does say a little about how desperate pilots are, to accept such scam of no promises, and also giving away £10.000 to CTC as a part of enhancing their career!
In ANY other buisness CTC would have been under scrutiny to disclose all valid information, such that the candidates can make their OWN calculated risk assessment before they part with their money.
Som can continue stick their head in the sand and believe in fairy tales, but I have seen NONE come on these forums and say they are happy after CTC ATP, still the sheep continue flocking towards the edge!
Save your money for FIC or a TR with a job!
Instead of listening to CTC ATP empty promises!
Unless they can provide proper transparency, than I can only say they are operating similar as rogue traders, preying on newbies dream of flying a jet!
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I think you'd need to tone down your rhetoric, if you want anyone to perceive you as anything but a failed applicant, truckflyer. But your choice, naturally.
Most people who gain employment don't frequent these threads anymore and it is only by chance that I had a look as well. I am in no way up to date with the ATP scheme, but I went through it some 6 years ago and back then we were all placed with an airline almost immediately - within a week, in my case. Everyone on my course, the course before and the course after were placed with airlines. Mainly easyJet. I am a skipper in orange land now, so it can lead to employment. Up to date info, I can not provide.
Most people who gain employment don't frequent these threads anymore and it is only by chance that I had a look as well. I am in no way up to date with the ATP scheme, but I went through it some 6 years ago and back then we were all placed with an airline almost immediately - within a week, in my case. Everyone on my course, the course before and the course after were placed with airlines. Mainly easyJet. I am a skipper in orange land now, so it can lead to employment. Up to date info, I can not provide.