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The ATP database is now around 90 guys/girls and still expanding by a small trickle of CTC Takeoff students.
Not sure why CTC would do this
it's not like any ATP guys/girls are being placed with a partner airline.
Not sure why CTC would do this
it's not like any ATP guys/girls are being placed with a partner airline.
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So no outward movement in for ATP pool in 2013 so far?
Just looking at the history of the ATP process I'm wondering when it might reopen, or indeed ever for general entry now that Take Off graduates go into it.
It closed in c.Oct 2006
Opened in c.Jan 2008
However it was only open for a about a month then closed again in Feb 2008
Then opened in April 2009
Closed in May 2012...
Could current swimmers perhaps have some good news late this year early 2014 and if so could it reopen for applications?
Just thinking out loud really if anyone cares to comment...
Just looking at the history of the ATP process I'm wondering when it might reopen, or indeed ever for general entry now that Take Off graduates go into it.
It closed in c.Oct 2006
Opened in c.Jan 2008
However it was only open for a about a month then closed again in Feb 2008
Then opened in April 2009
Closed in May 2012...
Could current swimmers perhaps have some good news late this year early 2014 and if so could it reopen for applications?
Just thinking out loud really if anyone cares to comment...
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ContactTower,
The ATP Pool has been closed since May 2012, you are correct. I was one of the last individuals to be accepted around a month prior and joined the pool in October 2012.
Unfortunately it has been quiet, but previously (March 2012) as has been mentioned before, there has been 'sudden' movement due to a lull in the number of pilots coming from the normal Wings route. Anticipating some movement in late 2013 or early 2014, as is the same with the rest of the industry, but unfortunately have no tangible evidence or advice to offer.
I have also completed the FD Degree in Air Transport Management, and believe the Bucks New Uni degree, if you have no prior Uni degree is certainly beneficial. It has taught me a vast array of information that I wouldn't have had before, and has prompted to me to complete the BA in this area - which I am currently undertaking at the moment.
In short, if you'd like to learn more about the aviation industry in which we currently work in, it is advised. No doubt I'll be shot down by keyboard warrior Mad Jock, but anyone can feel free to PM me about the degree. Currently writing an essay about Environmental Sustainability and associated Management Programs in Aviation.
The ATP Pool has been closed since May 2012, you are correct. I was one of the last individuals to be accepted around a month prior and joined the pool in October 2012.
Unfortunately it has been quiet, but previously (March 2012) as has been mentioned before, there has been 'sudden' movement due to a lull in the number of pilots coming from the normal Wings route. Anticipating some movement in late 2013 or early 2014, as is the same with the rest of the industry, but unfortunately have no tangible evidence or advice to offer.
I have also completed the FD Degree in Air Transport Management, and believe the Bucks New Uni degree, if you have no prior Uni degree is certainly beneficial. It has taught me a vast array of information that I wouldn't have had before, and has prompted to me to complete the BA in this area - which I am currently undertaking at the moment.
In short, if you'd like to learn more about the aviation industry in which we currently work in, it is advised. No doubt I'll be shot down by keyboard warrior Mad Jock, but anyone can feel free to PM me about the degree. Currently writing an essay about Environmental Sustainability and associated Management Programs in Aviation.
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This thread seems to be rather dead...
I'm just wondering having heard a few rumours of the Wings pool being relatively low in numbers at the moment if there has been any movement on the ATP pool front?
I'm just wondering having heard a few rumours of the Wings pool being relatively low in numbers at the moment if there has been any movement on the ATP pool front?
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My guess is that the recruitment for experienced guys at eJ is the end to any folks from the ATP pool ever getting hired unless CTC manage to partner up again with flybe (which I hear a lot of the eJ pilots will come from) however I understood that FTE had their feet well under the table there.
Do not forget that earlier this year the ATPers were told that they should find their own employment as CTC do not envisage having anything for them so you make your own mind up.
One thing though...things can and do change fast in this industry so who knows?
Do not forget that earlier this year the ATPers were told that they should find their own employment as CTC do not envisage having anything for them so you make your own mind up.
One thing though...things can and do change fast in this industry so who knows?
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I am new to the forum, even though i have been reading since the day i started my training (summer 2012).
Just wanted to add information on this thread.
I am a ctc takeoff graduate (modular) and i successfully finished the AQC recently and found that it was a very good and well structured course.
But more importantly, i know that at least one modular guy who finished the aqc last september got an interview with easyjet and got the job. So, there has been some movement in the ATP pool.
I do not know how and why this guy was selected but it seems to me that the ATP pool does not work in a ''first come first served'' policy.
Keep in mind that CTC reads PPRuNe.
Just wanted to add information on this thread.
I am a ctc takeoff graduate (modular) and i successfully finished the AQC recently and found that it was a very good and well structured course.
But more importantly, i know that at least one modular guy who finished the aqc last september got an interview with easyjet and got the job. So, there has been some movement in the ATP pool.
I do not know how and why this guy was selected but it seems to me that the ATP pool does not work in a ''first come first served'' policy.
Keep in mind that CTC reads PPRuNe.
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Your friend does not have a job yet, he passed the interview and has now joined the Easyjet pool. However cadets will still be placed in front of him the same as the ATP pool.
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Keep in mind that CTC reads PPRuNe.
It would be nice to see them (and the industry in general) taking the modular side of things more seriously.
AQC, the Advanced Queuing Course - you queue while others fly.
Let us know if you get an interview....
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I am new to the forum, even though i have been reading since the day i started my training (summer 2012).
Just wanted to add information on this thread.
I am a ctc takeoff graduate (modular) and i successfully finished the AQC recently and found that it was a very good and well structured course.
But more importantly, i know that at least one modular guy who finished the aqc last september got an interview with easyjet and got the job. So, there has been some movement in the ATP pool.
I do not know how and why this guy was selected but it seems to me that the ATP pool does not work in a ''first come first served'' policy.
Keep in mind that CTC reads PPRuNe.
Just wanted to add information on this thread.
I am a ctc takeoff graduate (modular) and i successfully finished the AQC recently and found that it was a very good and well structured course.
But more importantly, i know that at least one modular guy who finished the aqc last september got an interview with easyjet and got the job. So, there has been some movement in the ATP pool.
I do not know how and why this guy was selected but it seems to me that the ATP pool does not work in a ''first come first served'' policy.
Keep in mind that CTC reads PPRuNe.
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Just a heads up, the CTC Pools are now managed by another company within CTC Aviation's umbrella of companies.
As of Dec 2013:
46 Wings Cadets
92 ATP Cadets
EasyJet have recently taken vast numbers of 'white tails' from OAA, but overall the situation looks to be ramping up quite quickly.
As of Dec 2013:
46 Wings Cadets
92 ATP Cadets
EasyJet have recently taken vast numbers of 'white tails' from OAA, but overall the situation looks to be ramping up quite quickly.
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In February, with immediate effect, there were some major changes for ATP pilots. They were as follows:
Anyone who enters the database going forward, he/she will be allowed to remain in the database for a maximum of 2 years.
Anyone up until now who has remained in the database for more than 1 year, will be given 1 more year and provided an exit interview. CTC did make it very clear that an exit interview does not mean an automatic removal from the database. Each case would be individually assessed and the pilots who had not been offered placements or assessment due to their low seniority would not be automatically removed.
There is now also a 2 strike rule. Anyone who declines or fails an assessment will be given 1 strike. After the second strike, the person involved will be given an exit interview and removed from the database. Anyone who has either failed or declined any assessments or placement opportunities in the past prior to these new rules, will be automatically given 1 strike. The reason for these changes were to make the opportunities fair for everyone within the database and avoid giving longer seniority to those who were declining or failing assessments.
There are currently around 90 ATP pilots in the database and 60 wings cadets in the integrated holding pool.
Anyone who enters the database going forward, he/she will be allowed to remain in the database for a maximum of 2 years.
Anyone up until now who has remained in the database for more than 1 year, will be given 1 more year and provided an exit interview. CTC did make it very clear that an exit interview does not mean an automatic removal from the database. Each case would be individually assessed and the pilots who had not been offered placements or assessment due to their low seniority would not be automatically removed.
There is now also a 2 strike rule. Anyone who declines or fails an assessment will be given 1 strike. After the second strike, the person involved will be given an exit interview and removed from the database. Anyone who has either failed or declined any assessments or placement opportunities in the past prior to these new rules, will be automatically given 1 strike. The reason for these changes were to make the opportunities fair for everyone within the database and avoid giving longer seniority to those who were declining or failing assessments.
There are currently around 90 ATP pilots in the database and 60 wings cadets in the integrated holding pool.
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integrated cadets in hold pool???
With so many cadets in the hold pool, never mind the ATP chaps, why is it that someone from the CTC modular program started with an airline in the UK rrecently?