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Right, I now have 35 minutes on a train so I’ll explain why Soseg’s negative comments about the 43% annoyed me and then I’ll leave it alone.
Let’s say that the Network pilot group is split into ‘group A ‘ and ‘group B’ where group A is the 43% and B is the 57%. ( no point in including abstentions).
The best outcome for Network pilots, and to a lesser degree all Australian pilots, is if A and B get along, they are communicating with each other and able to join forces and pull in the same direction when it is needed. The worst thing for Network pilots is if hate and vitriol develop between group A and B because human nature requires most people to dig in, to become entrenched in their position and make decisions not based on the relevant facts in front of them, but on their instinctual connection to their group. The decisions become emotionally determined rather than logical and it makes it very difficult for the average human to change camps ( especially if they are adult males). That resistance to listening and to changing from group A to B increases in line with the animosity and adversarial comments.
A while back there was a challenging moment in the relationship between A and B ( that’s fine, same as all relationships) and now something good is happening, and naturally the sting of the challenge dissipates as the weeks roll by……..until someone in group B fans the embers.
The smart thing to do, the intelligent thing to do, the mature thing to do for the health of the relationship ( and therefore the advancement of pilot terms and conditions in Australia) is for group B pilots to control their emotions and comments and let time time do its thing so as to allow an easier path for group A pilots to change camps. Not all will but it’s the best chance of the best outcome.
Purposely highlighting the differences in a denigrating way, out of context, is the opposite of what’s needed. Ie it slows the advancement of pilot terms and conditions in Australia. What’s required is really easy, just stay mute on anything that splits the pilot group.
That’s my take anyway. I’m impressed with the cohesion displayed and wish you all the best from the East.
Let’s say that the Network pilot group is split into ‘group A ‘ and ‘group B’ where group A is the 43% and B is the 57%. ( no point in including abstentions).
The best outcome for Network pilots, and to a lesser degree all Australian pilots, is if A and B get along, they are communicating with each other and able to join forces and pull in the same direction when it is needed. The worst thing for Network pilots is if hate and vitriol develop between group A and B because human nature requires most people to dig in, to become entrenched in their position and make decisions not based on the relevant facts in front of them, but on their instinctual connection to their group. The decisions become emotionally determined rather than logical and it makes it very difficult for the average human to change camps ( especially if they are adult males). That resistance to listening and to changing from group A to B increases in line with the animosity and adversarial comments.
A while back there was a challenging moment in the relationship between A and B ( that’s fine, same as all relationships) and now something good is happening, and naturally the sting of the challenge dissipates as the weeks roll by……..until someone in group B fans the embers.
The smart thing to do, the intelligent thing to do, the mature thing to do for the health of the relationship ( and therefore the advancement of pilot terms and conditions in Australia) is for group B pilots to control their emotions and comments and let time time do its thing so as to allow an easier path for group A pilots to change camps. Not all will but it’s the best chance of the best outcome.
Purposely highlighting the differences in a denigrating way, out of context, is the opposite of what’s needed. Ie it slows the advancement of pilot terms and conditions in Australia. What’s required is really easy, just stay mute on anything that splits the pilot group.
That’s my take anyway. I’m impressed with the cohesion displayed and wish you all the best from the East.
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Right, I now have 35 minutes on a train so I’ll explain why Soseg’s negative comments about the 43% annoyed me and then I’ll leave it alone.
Let’s say that the Network pilot group is split into ‘group A ‘ and ‘group B’ where group A is the 43% and B is the 57%. ( no point in including abstentions).
The best outcome for Network pilots, and to a lesser degree all Australian pilots, is if A and B get along, they are communicating with each other and able to join forces and pull in the same direction when it is needed. The worst thing for Network pilots is if hate and vitriol develop between group A and B because human nature requires most people to dig in, to become entrenched in their position and make decisions not based on the relevant facts in front of them, but on their instinctual connection to their group. The decisions become emotionally determined rather than logical and it makes it very difficult for the average human to change camps ( especially if they are adult males). That resistance to listening and to changing from group A to B increases in line with the animosity and adversarial comments.
A while back there was a challenging moment in the relationship between A and B ( that’s fine, same as all relationships) and now something good is happening, and naturally the sting of the challenge dissipates as the weeks roll by……..until someone in group B fans the embers.
The smart thing to do, the intelligent thing to do, the mature thing to do for the health of the relationship ( and therefore the advancement of pilot terms and conditions in Australia) is for group B pilots to control their emotions and comments and let time time do its thing so as to allow an easier path for group A pilots to change camps. Not all will but it’s the best chance of the best outcome.
Purposely highlighting the differences in a denigrating way, out of context, is the opposite of what’s needed. Ie it slows the advancement of pilot terms and conditions in Australia. What’s required is really easy, just stay mute on anything that splits the pilot group.
That’s my take anyway. I’m impressed with the cohesion displayed and wish you all the best from the East.
Let’s say that the Network pilot group is split into ‘group A ‘ and ‘group B’ where group A is the 43% and B is the 57%. ( no point in including abstentions).
The best outcome for Network pilots, and to a lesser degree all Australian pilots, is if A and B get along, they are communicating with each other and able to join forces and pull in the same direction when it is needed. The worst thing for Network pilots is if hate and vitriol develop between group A and B because human nature requires most people to dig in, to become entrenched in their position and make decisions not based on the relevant facts in front of them, but on their instinctual connection to their group. The decisions become emotionally determined rather than logical and it makes it very difficult for the average human to change camps ( especially if they are adult males). That resistance to listening and to changing from group A to B increases in line with the animosity and adversarial comments.
A while back there was a challenging moment in the relationship between A and B ( that’s fine, same as all relationships) and now something good is happening, and naturally the sting of the challenge dissipates as the weeks roll by……..until someone in group B fans the embers.
The smart thing to do, the intelligent thing to do, the mature thing to do for the health of the relationship ( and therefore the advancement of pilot terms and conditions in Australia) is for group B pilots to control their emotions and comments and let time time do its thing so as to allow an easier path for group A pilots to change camps. Not all will but it’s the best chance of the best outcome.
Purposely highlighting the differences in a denigrating way, out of context, is the opposite of what’s needed. Ie it slows the advancement of pilot terms and conditions in Australia. What’s required is really easy, just stay mute on anything that splits the pilot group.
That’s my take anyway. I’m impressed with the cohesion displayed and wish you all the best from the East.
No one in the military could afford the paycut to work at Network on their current EBA.
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Some misconceptions about modern military pay. The average 10 year officer coming to end of contract in the RAAF is clearing $170k without super, medical, housing, 7 weeks leave or allowances being added to the mix.
The outflow valve is still open but for people going to Atlas, Mainline, etc - and it’s not because of pay, but workplace culture generally.
The outflow valve is still open but for people going to Atlas, Mainline, etc - and it’s not because of pay, but workplace culture generally.
The way the current pay system is designed, the last couple of years before your ROSO (contract) ends, you end up getting a $10k jump every year. The pay when you’re starting out isn’t spectacular but very deliberately ramps up as you’re getting closer to being able to move on.
But on this site pilot salaries are often reported in a net sense to produce direct comparison between two jobs especially when they are in different tax jurisdictions (think Aus vs UAE).
It’s conceivable that Mil salaries could include significant tax free compensation so good to clear it up.
It’s conceivable that Mil salaries could include significant tax free compensation so good to clear it up.
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About the only "special deal" the military get now days is a relatively high level of super (23% after 7 years and 28% after 20 years). Unfortunately MSBS closed to new members in 2016.
Nothing like being wrong to get someone to stfu.
At least one of the Links has one individual with his hands on the ‘who goes to mainline’ lever, and due to a forecast huge increase in pilot number, the lever is firmly in the no position. It hasn’t occurred to them or QF that retention requires something attractive about the job, not continual disappointment. If you ever want to work for mainline, except for a tiny few who have made it through via a subsidiary, don’t work for any of the group airlines.
Keep pushing!
At least one of the Links has one individual with his hands on the ‘who goes to mainline’ lever, and due to a forecast huge increase in pilot number, the lever is firmly in the no position. It hasn’t occurred to them or QF that retention requires something attractive about the job, not continual disappointment. If you ever want to work for mainline, except for a tiny few who have made it through via a subsidiary, don’t work for any of the group airlines.
Keep pushing!
Carry on
Look I don't care, I didn't take the job, for some it's worth the wait. What I do know is that it's just another reason I will never care one bit about the company and will only do anything to benefit myself.
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They Them c'mon now! Everyone knows the fastest way to Qantas isn't from anyone else in the group.
Seems now the e190 contractors have got a taste for leaving bags and going international , well until the A220 comes.
Mineral Resources announced they're flying Brisbane direct to Kens Bore and Wodgina mine sites. More pieces of the puzzle fall into place.
Seems now the e190 contractors have got a taste for leaving bags and going international , well until the A220 comes.
Mineral Resources announced they're flying Brisbane direct to Kens Bore and Wodgina mine sites. More pieces of the puzzle fall into place.
They Them c'mon now! Everyone knows the fastest way to Qantas isn't from anyone else in the group.
Seems now the e190 contractors have got a taste for leaving bags and going international , well until the A220 comes.
Mineral Resources announced they're flying Brisbane direct to Kens Bore and Wodgina mine sites. More pieces of the puzzle fall into place.
Seems now the e190 contractors have got a taste for leaving bags and going international , well until the A220 comes.
Mineral Resources announced they're flying Brisbane direct to Kens Bore and Wodgina mine sites. More pieces of the puzzle fall into place.
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