interesting!
thx for the explanation.

but I’d imagine not many people would request 50% part time as the income comes down significantly, specially with the Dutch taxes, right?

The more progressive the tax system (and the Dutch is quite progressive) the more you gain by working less. Your effective rate will be lots lower at 50% part time.

Just going to chime in here. There's a 6 month waiting period between requesting a contract percentage change, and the change kicking in. This allows the company to plan its staffing levels etc. So my guess, 6 months after joining you can part-time.

I'll give some practical examples for schedules. There's a difference between the EUR system and the ICA system.
EUR std = 16/12 in 28 days.
90% = 14/14. There's a slight correction factor here because 10% of 16 days = 1.6, so you get left with 0.4 days. Meaning every 3 months 15/13, because the counter will be at -1.2. The rest have slightly positive correction factors.
80% = 13/15
67% = 11/17
50% = 8/20
There's also a table with minimum time off after working days (not trip) that increases if you do part time. I.e. 100% = 4/2 minimum. 90% 4/3. 80% 4/4. It's possible to work 6 days total however (so work this out in the bid system depending on what you want). Page 145 of the CLA for reference.

ICA is very different. There's a formula that determines free time based on trip length. If a trip is 7 days, you can have 4 days trip and 3 days off. Or 3 days trip and 4 days off. I'll just put some flights here. There's variations, some flights will have a short layover, other a longer one depending on how many flights a week there are (= waiting longer for return a/c to come in).
AMS-LAX. 100% 3/5, 90% 3/6, 80% 3/7, 67% 3/9 OR
AMS-LAX. 100% 5/3, 90% 5/4, 80% 5/5, 67% 5/7
AMS-SIN. 100% 6/5
AMS-GIG. 100% 4/5
AMS-ACC. 100% 3/2
AMS-KIX. 100% 4/6.
AMS-JFK. 100% 4/3
Usually add a day or so for lower percentage.

Thank you very much for the explanation guys! Does AMS-SIN 100% 6/5 for example means 6 Days trip with 5 Days off afterwards? Thought Klm flies daily to Sin. And Jfk as well...

Thank.you guys for all the answers and feedback! What i don't understand is why an AMS-SIN is 7 days and JFK 4?
Thought KLM is flying there each Day?

Thx!

That's going into a bit of detail. There are shorter JFKs (3 day) and longer ones (4 day) on the 777/787 at the moment. A330 has 5/3, 4/3 that I can see. It varies a bit for operational reasons. Allows you to bid for trips with more route time or more home time. Sometimes the workers council wil create such schedules by allowing a deviation from the CLA by making say GRU (not popular) a 3/5 and then using the savings from the hotel to increase the length of the CPT (popular) to 5/3.
SIN is different because you wil do a shuttle to DPS from there. There's a couple other destinations where we do that.

Very interesting! Thank you.

I’m from GRU, so I’d take all of the GRU flights if possible. lol

Assessment
 

Hi all, just got the invitation for the online assessment.
Anyone who would kindly share a feedback about it, please? What is it about? What did you use to prepare for it? Deadline to complete it is 3 weeks.
Thanks in advance!

Congrats! I have some info. Can you PM me? When did you apply?

Thanks, I just sent you a pm. I applied in January.

Hi all,

Can anyone share some insight tips about the simulator grading please ?

Many thx

Assuming it is still the same, and without going into much detail;

- Expect a full 3,5hr sim session.
- Very relaxed atmosphere, though it might depend on the examiner you get
- Likely on 737NG.
- You will get some homework a few weeks before the grading.
- The grading itself you could define as two parts.
- First fly around a bit, show that you can actually fly the plane, maintain situational awareness, perhaps an approach. That kind of stuff.
- Second part is basically a small LOFT session. A chance to show your decision making (or lack thereof, depending on the pilot :}).

You will not really get much, if any, feedback after the session. Any feedback about the simulator grading could/might come in the final interview by the board of acceptance (COVA interview).

Sim grading
 

Hello everyone,

Anyone here invited to the sim grading and willing to share the cost of a preparation session (most probably around AMS area) ? I have my sim grading end of June.

Thanks and Best regards.

Hi everyone,

Does anybody know if KLM will reopen recruitment for pilots with no language restrictions in the near future? The application window had already closed when I found out they were recruiting.

Thanks in advance and best wishes

Times have certainly changed. I know I'll get scolded for saying this but this whole thread is full of pilots "considering" applying or working for KLM. Its seems to be generally based on a whats in it for me attitude. The queries about commuting!! Part time flying! How much money! Taxes! Do I need to speak Dutch! Wanting to know all the in and outs of the assessment stages and even the simulator program. Man up all of you, apply and see how far you get. On your own without adult supervision.

What's your point? We work in a globalized industry. I've lost count of dutch pilots working for airlines in Germany who are also mainly interested in "what's in for them" and right they are. Why shouldn't this also go the other way around?

If anyone knows something about the dutch language requirement, I'd also be interested. :)

But seriously what do you expect to hear as an answer? KLM is a Dutch company. They speak Dutch. If you DO NOT speak Dutch it limits your chances. If they cannot find enough pilots to suit their profile they will amend the profile. Requirements change constantly. Supply and demand.

Well considering its owner structure, KLM is more of a French than a Dutch company these days, but I guess that's a different story.

Given the fact that KLM accepted ready entries without Durch language knowledge a couple of weeks ago, this is a highly relevant question to some of us whether you like it or not.

This forum has in its title what we expect. Rumour by professional (KLM) pilots, simple as that.

Second sentence suggests you already know it's a stupid contribution. Do you think pilots join airlines because they feel passionate about increasing the shareprice and the CEOs bonus, or somehow furthering the nationalistic prestige?

Of course not... we care about how much we get paid, how much we're at home with our friends and/or families and how much we can put in a pension pot to escape the crippling sleep deprivation as early as we can.

Applying for any airline, let alone a flag carrier involves a great dral of effort... can't blame people for trying to get some information first to decide if it's all worth it

Oh the crippling sleep deprivation please. Long haul is what most want until they've done it for two years and then they moan and groan about jet lag. ALL legacy carriers are excellent employment opportunities and you appear to feel you can pick and choose which one you'd like to work for? Apply to all of them and take the first offer.