Fair weather flyer, flying camel, and SR71 you have EXACTLY summised my thoughts and frustrations. Perhaps along the way I've put a couple of noses out of joint, but unless you've ever seen bad times, or watched your career disappear down the pan due any amount of reasons out of your control, then you can't really understand. All I want is honesty and integrity and a fair contract for the experience I have and that THEY said they required! Too much too ask? It would appear so...

SB,

I am glad you are setting the market rate by turning it down - it's a shame that it has all been done back to front though.

I hope this continues until eJ offer the correct package for the correct people and we all then prosper.

Well said Susan!

Those of us that have been around for roughly 10 years professionally flying will totally understand...right with yer SuBo!!

All those things you quoted are still around, hidden, in very short supply and requiring a little luck to find. I found it all earlier this year, by luck! - good luck!

Capt Thunder/Mike Honcho

Don't be mistaken about the tax/social security situation. In post 1010 it looks as though you think that the CTC pay is tax paid. It isn't. The difference is CTC are paying the employers National Insurance contribution. that is all. Which they should always have done anyway. Any pay will still be subject to income tax.

Ashling you are talking about something completely different. This offer is far far more insulting than what you joined on. On my interview day there was an RAF chap, many thousands of hours on heavy transport. Without wanting to give too much away to identify him there were other aspects to his CV which were outstanding. Civvy licences in place, with time on large Airbus on his civvy licence. What did he get offered? Yep, CTC.

All the EZY defenders are well entitled to sit and think it's the best job in the world. their prerogative. There are many who disagree. Lets face it, if BA were ever to stoop this low, which they obviously won't, people would probably still join, given it's a proper career airline. What is the future going to hold once this intake are all ready for the LHS. See Lisbon. If EZY really were committed to T&C's why are they doing so badly there?

One also wonders about the motives of existing FO's. A large amount of experienced people joining, with a lot of command experience wouldn't bode well for their command prospects.

I'm trying to spot the difference between this and Ryanair. Right now I can't.

Good luck to everyone still in the mix. Those borrowing money be careful. That's if a bank will even lend on such a flimsy deal. I only wish I hadn't been in the first wave. I could have saved a few days of my life I'll never see again, for the sake of a PR exercise. They don't want experience. they want cheap.

Right behind you SuBo.

What a way to start a new job with an employer. The list of requirements for pilots is longer than my arm, but what do they offer in return? Not much it would appear, not to mention a total lack of integrity.
Must be something that's taught at business schools around the globe..

To dream the impossible dreaaaaammmmm! (That one day you get some terms and conditions and recognition of your experience!)

Sadly, there will be all too many that will either want to, or have to, take one of these Flexi/Parc contracts. Funny, I don't remember the advertisement asking for Flexi or PARC pilots! Nor for that matter a demotion not to First Officer, but SECOND Officer! If I'd have wanted that, then I would have applied for it years ago. But silly me thought that they were after experienced guys, and offering permanent contracts, due to a looming experience gap...

You never know, there's still time for them to surprise me! Shame really, almost everyone I met at easy was great. New aircraft, good routes, fixed roster pattern, and some I believe are even on competitive pay and Terms and Conditions! Seems you needed to join 10 years ago for that though...

There has been a lot said about the deal on offer here with many suggesting that offering a flexi contract to experienced pilots gives easy an extended probationary period and somehow protects the business.

This is a red herring and very naive. During the first 12 months of employment, the employee has virtually no employment rights anyway. A 6 month probationary period is common place and this can always be extended if there are concerns. As the employee is paying for the type rating and is not actually employed by easy until successful completion, there is no risk whatsoever that I can see. Of course this all follows an extensive selection process which should be robust enough to weed out anyone not suitable. This alone should protect the business let alone a 6 month probationary period.

Extending the probationary period to 2 years (CTC for one year plus a 12 month probationary period with easy) doesn't give you anymore protection against employing the wrong people - it just makes it easier not to pay people a wage should there be a downturn!

So I'm left thinking what is the motivation of easy HR & management in employing experienced people vs cadets?

Again there has been lots of talk on here as to why easy advertised (which they most certainly did) for experienced pilots as opposed to just taking on more cadets.

I think there are a variety of reasons; pressure from BALPA, from easy captains, concerns from insurers and perhaps even a concern over where cadets are coming from given the cost and current financial climate.

What is for sure is that easy advertised for experienced pilots WITHOUT any mention of flexi contracts.

I firmly believe that they want the experience but after they started the recruitment campaign realised that with so many applicants they could screw everyone into accepting cadet terms. Either that or they just lied from the beginning.

The plan is simple. Divide & conquer. If you don't take it plenty will. When this recruitment drive is over there will be lots of people in easy patting each other on the back saying what a wonderful job they all did screwing experienced pilots into accepting the same terms as newly qualified cadets and how they managed to save around £2M pa in wages over the next 2 years. Oh how clever they will all be.

In the meantime you will have potentially hundreds of experienced pilots sweating over how to pay back their £20k loan after giving up a secure job, whilst paying the mortgage & still feeding the wife & kids. All this time easy will be telling you how safety is their number one priority.

What is most concerning for me are the morals of the people running easyJet. This whole process has seemed very under-handed and deceptive. Despite stating that permanent contracts are available dependant on performance, base selection & requirement, I have yet to hear of a single person being offered a permanent contract. In other-words, if they can get enough people to take flexi-contracts they will regardless of how well people did in assessment. Call me old fashioned but that sounds like a lie?

They will justify their decisions with the classic "doing it for the business". I wonder how many of these same people would switch to a flexi contract "for the sake of the business" or be happy for their loved ones to do the same. If their so concerned about maximising the profits of the business, surely none will mind taking a 30% pay cut next year if things get a bit tight?

Maximising profits is one thing. Taking advantage of people and the current situation in aviation employment is another. Its the thin edge of the wedge. Next year they will be looking to maximise profits yet again. I wonder what they will do then?

Two words: Spot & on

That's easy, they will just employ yet another ex-RYR and put him in top management next to the old ones, and this one will have some more great ideas to try out on our population.

All in the interest of the business of-course.

Non type rated easyjet recruitment?
 

Some have been offered SFO paris orly on permanent contract. Which is around the 100k euro mark all-in.

There's a lot of talk about "plenty will accept these T&Cs if you don't". Who are these experienced people with £20,000 spare?
Please give me an example of one of these fools who is obviously in employment now to able to afford the £20K. I can only assume its guys who are self employed contractors at present, not employees. Those who are able to go back to their 73 or A320 contract in china should the 12 month flexi contract become nothing more.
Anyone else even considering this offer is a moron. IMO

Open Des, you are looking at the SENIOR F/O scale and even then, you would need 1000 sectors are about 1500hrs/year to reach the 100k mark. Don't forget this is gross as well. Take off 22% social security and 35% of tax if you live in the UK.
The contracts which are on offer are SECOND officer contracts. These are being negotitated, as we speak. An educated guess: they will be around 50k€ gross, so 2800€/ month take home if one lives in the UK.

I am led to believe that an SO contract is for 38k a year...

Most that could afford the 20k are likely to be ex military leavers...

Susan, you speak about 38k £, me about 50k €, which is, at the current exchange rate, a little bit more gross, but less nett if you don't live in France.

Roger! Still, how do they expect to be able to get any experienced guys for that deal? Especially if they're non rated? All depends on your definition of experienced I guess...:ugh:

Are there gys offered a direct SO contract at 38k? That at least sounds like a permanent contract.

The CTC contract is max 52 per flight hour and after 12 months and passing the interview you start as a SO at 38k.

I believe there might be, but seriously Mike, are we saying that this is a good thing? That someone experienced should be somehow thrilled to receive 38k a year? It might work if you were all out of luck (unemployed) but really...:yuk:

As for CTC having to wait one year, well slight difference between 200 hours and 7000 hours of flying experience! Although while I'm at it-CTC started this whole flexi crew thing, and then we let it happen. History will repeat itself here, only this time it might not just be the cadets they come after...

Well both offers suck Susan. But the CTC initially and after one year you can call yourself a SO at EZY as a experienced guy sucks total balls.

Biggest problem I have with it that they were not upfront about what was on offer from the beginning.
Seems like they had so many applications that EXY thought lets see how we can milk this deal out.

Sucks Susan Boyles balls maybe?! Lol

Both in France and in Germany SFO permanent contracts are offered now:rolleyes: