That is always a possibility!

Maybe you're right - we were all awful. Guess its back to cadets. From the sounds of it, easy don't value experience anyway.

Non type rated easyjet recruitment?
 

For the third time: permanent SFO contracts have been offered to the right candidates.

OpenDes - Thats a relief. Guess none of those people post on these boards. Any idea of which bases these were offered?

Have any of them been offered them in the UK?

Come on OpenDes! First, second or third time, you can say it as many times as you want but desperate filling of slots is not what this recruitment was initially about. It was advertising to recruit 'Future Captains' and 'Direct Entry' FO positions. I know at least 10 top class candidates who all passed selection and were offered the sickening flexi contracts; the chance to work on a soon to be outlawed zero hour contract. Thankfully it looks like none of the fine chaps I know will be taking that offer. Currently all sitting in the worlds least attractive 'talent pool' ever.

All Easyjet will gain from this is another round of people willing to live in poverty for a few years to become an airline pilot.
They are not selecting the pilots they want. They are selecting the pilots they want who are willing to take a dreadful contract. I feel really sorry for the good professional pilots within easy who have worked hard to get to where they are now and yet again, you will shortly be joined by a colleague who has paid for a seat beside you.

When everything goes wrong up there and you are having the worst of days, sometimes all that remains is the pilots talent-all the money in the world doesn't buy that!

Yes CCCC1, nothing here either. I did chase them but told to wait out.
Mr P, you seem to know who's been offered a permanent contract, how many are there and at which base?

Ecam- are you saying that Opendes is wrong? He keeps saying they've taken permanent SFO's but won't reply when asked at which bases

Gentlemen,

I know for a fact that several permanent FO positions have been offered in Italy and at least one SFO in Germany.

Bubair, those must be people coming from current flexi crew, Not external recruits.

All new entrants to Berlin are joining as SO or FO unless they were already perm SFO elsewhere in the network prior to the new contract being signed....

Non type rated easyjet recruitment?
 

Ok. For the fourth time:
SFO in paris
FO in italy
All permanent.
They seem to take their time though in approaching selected candidates with the offer.
I'm out of here. Don't want to repeat myself once again.

I personally think you're talking rubbish OPEN DES.

I know many people in the mix. Some exceptionally well qualified, more so than a lot of current EZY skippers. Every one without fail offered flexi.

Interestingly I received a mail when I rejected asking if I'd consider an improved offer if one became available. Nothing so far though.

Sorry Ecam but this is not correct.
Again, and like Open Descent for the last time, those perm contracts where offered to type rated candidates (according to assessment results) who had been screened in July and ALL where external recruits.

A couple of friends of mine were offered SFO permanent in Berlin, one guy in Italy for FO perm, and some in Paris on perm SFO:}

Has there been any permanent offers for non-rated candidates?

Does anyone have any idea how many non-type rated candidates were recruited and when the next recruitment process might be?

It is not strictly accurate what is being said here. The decision on where you get offered on the NEC scale is NOT based on how you got on during the assessment process. It is based on how many people are required and how many in a particular intake say 'Yes' or 'No'. It is perfectly possible that certain candidates were offered a different place on the ladder of recruitment - that is all down to how many pilots are required from each intake. It is straight supply and demand - nothing more and nothing less. As I have said before, if you do not like it then turn it down. Ultimately if enough people will turn them down then they will have to think again. If you can get pilots to work for you for £x.xx, why would you pay them £x.xx + £30k? Sorry to sound so mercenary but that is how the world works.

At the risk of sounding like a worn record, every single contract is permanent but has a probation period of a year. Just read the previously published details of the NEC to see what the deal is - there are no secrets. The only unknown is where you join in the 4 year scale and whether you get offered a 75% or 100% contract.

ADM! You are so badly informed and incorrect its unbelievable; I dont have the time or inclination to read your other posts but I can only assume you are a broken record! Please stop spouting your rubbish on this forum. You clearly had nothing to do with the process or know anything about the offers on the table.

It is not a 12 month probation period. The flexi offers people in the UK have received have been to slave for a subsidiary company which is part of CTC. After, and only after a minimum of 12 months, you may be offered a permanent contract with Easyjet. The contract is for 3 years with the CTC subsidiary and 'most people' achieve a permanent job with Easyjet after 12 poverty stricken months. If Easyjet decide for whatever reason that they don't want you, then they have the option just to not bother taking you onto a permanent contract. All the successful candidates I know were offered a straight flexi deal! Nothing to do with some fanciful NEC and no mention of 75 or 100%.

Please don't come onto a public forum where experienced pilots like myself come to find out whats going on only to find confusion caused by you. I had an offer and I can assure you it's an appalling offer for any experienced pilot. I know of no pilot in the UK yet who has taken the flexi contract offered.

The whole process sucked in some of the best pilots that Europe had to offer and Easyjet showed their true colours. Easyjets management has one sole purpose which is to recruit the cheapest labour it can. They don't value the recruitment of the best performing candidates, which no doubt will be the ones holding out for an honest days pay. Instead they will rely on the fact that there are people who just want to be pilots and aren't fussed about who they work for. Let's be honest, there can be no pride in working for a company who make the future captains slave on a zero hour contract!

There will come a day when the management of this type of airline regrets ever going down this road with employment. Unfortunately the consequences could be grave in the end and I sincerely hope they don't have to learn a hard lesson. As for you ADM, you are a mercenary; this is not the way the world works and in no other profession I know would any experienced professional be offered such poor terms. Good employers value their employees and remunerate them appropriately-simple.


There are lots of good airlines left around this fine world-Easyjet is not one of them. And before another jumped up easy Captain jumps on the band wagon of 'how great the job and package is', you should be ashamed of yourself for standing by and letting your own company employ slaves on an hourly rate-despicable! £100k plus in the LHS while his professional experienced colleague will get £42 per hour! Surprised this hasn't made it into the daily newspaper yet!!


I can only hope that the fact that I know of no-one who has accepted these terms, may mean that no-one of experience has.

A final word of warning to any pilots looking for jobs, the crap spouted on this forum by people declaring they know whats going on is extremely worrying. Do your own research and trust only those you know!

Mix....calm down a bit. I hope you're not about to go flying.

Can anyone confirm whether these Flexi deals are the type where you form your own "company" and hire your services via CTC? If so, I thought that the cost of the type rating could be be offset against tax which mitigates some of the "slave" wages (I'm sure the Daily Mail would have a field day about people complaining of earning "only" £42 / hour).

I flew recently with a guy who is still on Flexi (moving to permanent shortly) and he did close to 100 hours in August at just under £60/hour - he's not looking forward to the paycut he'll get moving to a permanent contract but with his current ability and experience he could quite concievably be LHS in 3-4 years on £110k+ / year - he's very happy to be in eJ - he's thinking long term - and he'll be on a PERMANENT contract.

Be it right or wrong, eJ recruitment / management are just doing what they're supposed to do for the company/shareholders - secure a workforce at the lowest cost. Nearly every single company now follows a similar path (even BA's Cadet scheme isn't a patch on what it used to be). Monarch appear to be the only "traditional" airline left. It may leave a bad taste in the mouth, but AdM is correct - this is the way of the world now and not only in aviation. Look at Internships in Lawyers and the some of the big finance houses - 6 months NO PAY and then usually you're out and they get another one in........

It is difficult to sort fact from fiction within this thread. On the face of it, it does appear that the process hasn't been best managed or the goalposts have moved during it. Bottom line is that it's personal choice as to whether you're prepared to "suck-it-up" for the longer term benefit.

Mix says there are plenty of fine airlines out - ok, apply to them and the very best of luck. As a "jumped up Captain" I can assure you that it was rejection of the Merlin deal (which completely screwed FO's) and the campaigning by BALPA and the CC that got the NEC in place which 100's of Flexicrew are now transferring to - so please don't berate us saying we should be ashamed....:hmm:

Mixchafoolyarich, so you turned it down then?