I seem to remember applying for a permanent position as a FO with easyJet. Not a flexi contract as a SO. Does anyone remember being told that they were applying for a second officers position on a flexi (paid per hour) contract?

Has easyJet deceived everyone who has applied? What other surprises are around the corner for those who accept?

I believe if your on a flexi you don't get paid anything during your training so thats another few grand your down.

Imagine if after paying £20k plus and not being paid for a few months, they then say "sorry we don't need you this month. We'll call you next month if we need you".

No wonder lots are saying no. Doesn't exactly make you feel valued does it!

You get paid during training also on days that you are standby. The wage is then 3,5 times your hourly rate.

The difference with the old flexi contract is that SS and taxes are handled by CTC so you dont have to start your own company and handle all your taxes yourself. Also there is a possbility to get paid during sick days after approval.

Its not all bad but also not as good as the direct FO position that I thought I was applying for. So I have to make up my mind if I will take it or not.

MikeHoncho - can you say exactly what you've been offered. You say you're paid 3.5 x normal hourly rate whilst training. So does that mean that if your in the sim 2 hrs a day you're paid 2 x hourly rate x 3.5 times? What about being paid when on ground school? Is that 8 hours a day x hourly rate x 3.5 times?

It would be good if someone could be clear on what is on offer here. No-one seems to know what they've actually been offered.

My understanding of a flexi contract is you're paid £65 per hour with no guarantee of how many hours you'll do. At the end of year one you have an interview with the base captain for a permanent job. I understand you are not paid until you start induction which is AFTER TR training.

AdM, correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the loyalty bonus has been removed for NEC Co-Pilots and been replaced by a performance bonus of up to 5% after 3 years? You then begin accruing "loyalty" based on your time in the left seat, that's to say, no 5% loyalty until after 2 years as Captain.

I don't want to try and confuse matters and would be very interested to hear from those 'in the know'. However, we were told on the day of our assessment by senior management that the contract type offered to us (permanent or flexicrew) will be dependant on requirements at our chosen base AND performance during selection.

I said I wouldn't accept the 12 month flexicrew contract. Been told I'm in the pool and they'll be in touch with a contract and start date. So we'll see...

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Is there somebody that has more info on the Lisbon base?
I heard it is at the moment less popular because of the increased taxes in Portugal, but do they have a shortage of pilots there or is there no specific demand for that base?

The reason that no one wants to go to Lisbon is that the Portugese contract sucks. Big time.

What sucks about it? The pay or also everything else?
Is it not the same as in the UK except the pay?

Very low pay, random roster with few days off, 20 days of leave in random roster, 60 min report time, impossible to transfer out of the base unless you find a victim who is willing to take your spot.

I'd be very wary of the figures easyjet spout about the numbers of hours worked on a flexi contract. They will work the permanent pilots first and use the flexi to fill the gaps. Clearly they want experience but they don't want to pay for it. Signing up for flexi is madness if you already have a permanent job..unless your current employer is not long for this world.

Thanks RA.

Are there people on here that were offered a permanent contract?
Or everybody CTC!

Still not been contacted regarding an assessment yet. Not sure I'll even bother after reading the above. It's appalling to think that easy have conned everyone involved in trying to stop flexi and recruit experienced crew. I'm sure training captains and BALPA must feel like mugs

Guy,

Read AdM's post about the contract.

What you have here is people who cannot read, like Captthunder, who post soon after AdM's reiteration of the contract utter guff like this:

Cadets do 12 months max as flexicrew, then get SO (which is permanent grade).

What eJ are doing here is taking the piss by offering that same cadet starting point to experienced pilots, to see if they can get away with it. It is heart warming to read of people ticking the "no" box to starting as flexicrew, but depressing to think that those sensible people are being excluded from the company.

I for one would not go from a permanent position to a contract position (even if it were only for 12 months), unless I thought my current company would be out of business in the near future.

Flexi roster CTC for EZY
 

Hi guys, i just succeed the selection of EZY, and they proposed me a flexi contract based in GTW. I was wondering about the possibility to commute between my country and GTW between the rows of days ON. I am asking to those already in the flexi process:
Is that achievable or the roster is too dense? I would be based at one hour of flight from my home .
Thanks to answer only if you already work for EZY in a flexi pattern with CTC
Good flights

When I was there commuting letters were only available to those on permanent contracts. Flexi pilots were not eligible for a commuter letter. This may have changed since my departure.

Hourly rate I started on was £20 per hour (CTC). This went up to £43 once I had 500 hours on type. I lasted just under a year and flew 677 hours. Just didn't make economic sense to stay! :uhoh:

I'm assuming new entrants on the flexi deal now get paid an hourly rate from day one? And are not paid the £1,200 per month "allowance" for their first eight months?

ADM I think current easyJet Capts salaries are completely irrelevant. I'd bet my right nut that in five years time T&Cs for new Capts will have eroded even further to what they currently are. EJ cabin crew t&cs were eroded, first officer t&cs have been continually eroding over the past five years. Who's next? :E

Granted this is a potential issue in every operator. :{

At the risk of opening another can of worms...can people confirm whether they've actually been offered a CTC contract? E.g. With a base and start date? Or were they just asked "will you accept one?"

I was told on the phone last week that they can't yet make offers but will be in touch as soon as they can. That was before I confirmed with them that I couldn't accept the CTC offer. I then received an email confirming the content of the telephone conversation.

Hundredpercentplease - what point are you trying to make? I am fully aware of what ADM has said on here. This information has been contradicted by several different people I know who have attended the assessment days. It may well be correct or maybe not.

I was simply stating that when I applied for this role, it was advertised as a direct entry first officer position and NOT a flexi contract or for a second officer. I even received an email saying "Thank you for your application for the First Officer position".

I thought my point was quite clear - Goalposts have been moved to another football pitch. Sorry if it confused you.

Captthunder,

The point is you are muddying the waters by stating that the SO contract is flexicrew when in reality it is not, it is a permanent, fully employed grade.

Many of us fought long and hard to make all but the first 12 month probationary period permanent positions, so expect flack when you incorrectly publicise those permanent emmployee positions as flexicrew contractor roles.

Goalposts have not been moved, they were never there in the first place. Nobody knew where in the scale easyJet were going to attempt to insert DEPs. It appears, anecdotally, that it is at the 12 month contractor stage. According to your position you may describe this as anything ranging from unsurprising to insulting, but the ball is now in the candidate's court.

Personally I hope you all reject it. Keeps the T&Cs up and it will encourage them to come back and offer something better.

I would, because my current company has just bypassed two captains for a promotion, both eminently suitable for the position, in favour of a 600h F/O who didn't even apply for the job. :mad: shocking.

Sprinkles - You do not need me to tell you that there is not a single airline who can absolutely guarantee future terms and conditions for its employees. What I would say, however, is that easyJet is in a better place than most to offer long term viability. Furthermore, no changes can be made to Captain's terms and conditions without the active involvement and agreement of BALPA. Therefore, the captain's terms and conditions are totally relevant and of the 120+ captains that have been promoted this year, every single one of them have been given those terms and conditions if they go on a UK contract (which is the vast majority of them). Starting in September, another round of 120 Captains will be promoted, and every single one of them will be given those exact terms and conditions if they stay in the UK. That sounds good news to me. There may be other airlines in the world promoting at that rate, but I do not know too many of them - other than maybe Ryanair. Good luck to you if you decide to work for them, because you will need it!

Returning to the issue in hand, there is so much misinformation on here that it is embarrassing. Can I just emphasise what other sensible people have said - anyone coming to easyJet is being offered a position, subject to passing a probationary year. That year will be spent working on an hourly rate, but historically most people have been paid very adequately during that year. The terms and conditions I have laid out on the previous page are absolutely accurate, and anyone thinking of coming to work for easyJet should read that post very carefully. That is what you will be offered, and if you do not want to come here on that basis then that's no problem. Good luck in your alternative employment choice.