The sad reality is that you can complain all you want on here and call for solidarity in rejection of the offer, but you well know that there will be plenty of takers. It is delusional to think that of the 3,000+ applicants, easyJet can't find the few hundred they need who are willing to accept the conditions offered.

So, if the conditions suit you, take it. If they don't, then refuse. It is folly to think solidarity can be drummed up via pprune. Not even when organised in unions can we pilots agree on major things, so to expect pilots with no ties to each other to suddenly march shoulder to shoulder is ludicrous.

Sadly for some this is a good deal. £44k plus £8k flight pay is about £20k than a lot of UK regional pilots earn. Even at 75% it's probably £8k more. Apparently the cost of the rating should reduce after a VAT refund so perhaps after only 2 years the regional pilot is in profit with a far more promising career structure ahead (for now). Like the previous post says, if it suits you take it.

Flexi crew on the other hand. I'd rather earn less where I am than you.

"Apparently the cost of the rating should reduce after a VAT refund"

How can an individual get a VAT refund on training?

No idea, just repeating something written a few pages back by someone who has attended selection. Could well just be an attempt to make the whole thing appear less shocking though.

Shall give me great pleasure telling them no to their faces when I go down for the interview

You can only reclaim the VAT if you have your own business and register for VAT. Which means you would be contracted (which might be the case for this contract anyway, haven't read the pages before this one). On the other hand I guess you have to pay VAT on the duties you offer to the "client". So in the end you won't get all VAT back. Depends on the income/debt balance I guess.

It's a good job the Wright Brothers weren't of similar fortitude, else you'd still be taking your annual holiday on the back of a donkey.

When the situation is bad, is that an argument for or against some type of solidarity?

Granted there will always be the short-sighted amongst us, but these days, if you're in, or desiring to be in this industry, it is inconceivable that you are not aware of the arguments raging against accepting T&C's that drive a nail through the heart of not only existing T&C's but future T&C's as well.

The price of EZY picking up the cost of 200 TR courses at £10K/course is probably still less than the value of the CEO's package for 2013 (based on what her package was worth in 2011).

No one gets killed if she misses a target.

In that case EdnaClouds why bother to waste your time and money in going for the interview. Are you really that angry? Surely you have better things going on in your life than to waste time and effort on a company you think so little of?

For those of you deriding the offer. That's it I'm afraid and the choice is yours. All I can say is that once in the rewards are good. There are many of us who have spent blood, sweat and tears for many years and we are now reaping those rewards. Why should the large profits go to aid so many of you, some with dubious attitudes, to jump on the bandwaggon?

I too regret the deteriorating T&C in the industry but in the end it all boils down to supply and demand.

Most of us inside have had to pay the price one way or another to get where we are now. Few have jumped straight into the right seat of a jet enjoying what we have now. So come along with an open mind look what's on offer, not only financially but see whether you think you'd enjoy fitting in as part of our team. I think, hope you'd be surprised.

For those who take the opportunity I look forward to flying with you and hopefully enjoying the day out. For those who don't I wish you all the best for your next step.

You would have to be desperate to accept the deal on offer. The initial outlay would take a long time to pay back with no certainty of a job at the end. Yes there are desperate pilots out there and EZY should have set out there store and told everyone what was on offer from the outset. At least then, they would be interviewing candidates who might stump up the money. The downside would be that desperation is not a good basis to recruit on.

I think that by saying "no" you have a good chance of getting a better deal. Your fellow candidates are probably at a stage in life when they cannot accept such a deal and the judgement questions asked on the computer testing probably means that most are not risk takers, willing to roll the dice. Some years ago Jet2 recruited and those that agreed to pay 25k for a TR did so and found themselves on a course with guys that refused to pay and had their rating paid for. How would that feel?

People are dubious because they don't want to pay to work... simple. It's a sound attitude and means you still have some brain cells left. Most people qualifying for Non TR are "highly experienced drivers", with other more mature interests than taking pictures of themselves in a uniform and post on Facebook.

Come on guys, let's be real, compared to what's going on in other professions the majority of employed pilots are still enjoying a pretty decent lifestyle with decent pay.

From what I know eJ is a great company to work for, if not the best, depending on what you are looking for, of course, i.e. short haul, no tours or overnights, brand new equipment, great safety culture, many career opportunities.

From what I also know is by passing on the cost of training entirely to the pilot they avoid taking on a rotten apple and having to pay for it. While I disagree with the approach of not sharing any financial responsibility for training a new colleague, I can understand the company's motivation. It's just business.

I however cannot help but seeing more and more signs of the market starting to move. Granted there are thousands of us out there looking to climb the latter, or secure that elusive first job, but I wouldn't be surprised if eJ, and others, will have to offer a better package come next summer to be able to attract enough people.

Stiglet, I think that EJ are an alright company once you are in.
However having already paid for one type rating I'm not in the position to do the same again. Unfortunately many of us have to go along to see exactly what the deal is.
Waste of time for everyone? Yes. Waste of HR's money? Yes.
I'm in a position not to accept the deal should it be good enough. I guess it comes down to those who are more willing to pay the MCC or type costs.

You regret yet you are the reason. Do you think demand will EVER outstrip supply again while you have idiots, 'scuse me - people, willing to prostrate themselves in front of an airline so they can skip straight into a shiny Airbus?

It's people like you who are the reason for declining terms and conditions.

SR71, your argumentation gets lost in the fog of your righteuosness. What supply and demand has to do with pioneers in invention and engineering is something only you know.

At the end of the day, if you say no, someone in the very long queue behind you will say yes. The line is just too long and solidarity is not present. Only a minority of the applicants are even using the site anyway. Before you conjure up allegations of me selling out, I am already LHS and never paid for a rating, but I don't control how the management manages. That's what they get paid for.

For those thinking of holding out for a better deal at eJ you should be aware that your place will be quickly filled by someone as experienced and able as you who will accept the offer. In 2-3 years time they will have accumulated 1500+ hours in an ever growing and successful company and getting ever closer to a LHS. Where will you be? I doubt eJ will accept further applications from those who have previously been offered a place but turned it down.
This recruitment of experienced pilots came about by pressure from within the company, particularly from trainers, who wanted to see a more diverse range of new entrants. The company did not have to do this they could have continued recruiting all the FOs through CTC and Parc. This has been done in part to bridge some differences between the company and the pilots. For outsiders to dismiss this opportunity is a bit of a slap in the face for those of us trying to put alternative views to a management whose major concern is the figure at the bottom of a spreadsheet page. If this is a success then I would imagine there may be similar recruitment drives in future years but based on years of experience the T&Cs will not be any better. As previously stated the only chance of improvement is to turn the tap off at the flying schools and that is not happening soon.
There are many silent observers of this thread looking at these comments and perhaps being swayed by the moral argument of holding out for a better, fairer deal. Be warned there are plenty who will climb over you to get a start date with eJ regardless of what they may post here. So you silent applicants just be careful not to be unduly influenced by anyone on this thread, including me, but make your own decision based on where you want to be and how you can get there.
Good luck to all those in the happy situation of having to make their decision.

I am LHS at easyJet and can confidently say the places will be taken pretty quickly. Do I like the offer? No, absolutely not, but this as others have said is classic supply and demand. Whether people like it or not, easyJet is a pretty major player in Europe with good career prospects for those with time in the company. Some people will take the long term view and accept the deal as is.

Over the last 4-5 years I have flown with European pilots, albeit with Airbus ratings, who jumped at the chance of being back in Europe flying for a european airline as a contractor as long as it got them away from their sh$thole half way around the world.

The same will happen with this round of recruitment. The deal is on the table, it's the only deal at the moment. You either look at the long game with short term pain or you walk away and wait for better times. However time to command is increasing.....

You talk of solidarity but none of you are organised as a group so how can you have solidarity? "The fog of righteousness" - how apt.

One thing is for sure though, if no one accepts the deal on moral grounds management will just go to the flight schools and take another bunch of cadets. I am constantly amazed at how many people in their twenties are willing to saddle themselves with a £100k of debt to sit next to me :}

Forget Easyjet...come to the desert! No paying upfront rubbish here!

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Who has some more info on how the Flexicrew contract works. Salary, flight hours etc.
Is it true that you can be relocated with 3 months notice? Are you required to setup a company?

The CTC contract is apperantly what is on offer for the ones that recently had their assessments.

Is there anybody that got offered a permanent contract from the start?

Thanks

@veroflyer :D