@ Maverick974 and @Hurdle,
Im one of those still waiting for reply so sorry I can not give you any info.
Maybe you can say how long time they let you know before intervju?

Thanks

Hi Wingguy !
We had 7 days notice before attending the interview. So it might be quick for you as well, don't worry.
Best of luck !

I am curious whether those of you posting above about going for selection at Norwegian really are serious about joining this company? Surely you have read about the guys getting royally shafted for the winter?

Will you be asking the question at interview whether you can expect the same treatment next year? Will you accept the 'it should not happen again' answer that will no doubt be given? With very little fleet expansion next year I know what I would bet on. Expect the winter off unpaid.

Ok, I know it's a shaky contract with no private medical, no pension but now you can expect a 25% reduction in pay to boot. Do you really honestly consider this a sensible career move now? I only started with Norwegian in the middle of this year and believe me, I have made a huge mistake. I am definitely regretting leaving my previous employer. I was naive enough to take Norwegian at their word and to trust what they said. I would never have accepted a summer only contract and the cost and disruption of relocating my family for this was definitely not worth it. I took a chance that a 2 year contract would lead to more - it didn't pay off. I wasn't expecting to get stitched up after only a few months. I only have myself to blame.

I imagine this move to lay pilots off over the winter will greatly stem the flow of applicants in the future - and so it should, especially those from Ryan where it's now perhaps a case of better the devil you know than the devil you don't. Don't take the risk.

Loco, the sad fact is YES, they are serious and YES they have read about the last batch being shafted but it makes no difference at all. The vast majority are coming from a background with little to no experience (remember that?). Put yourself in their shoes. They have just forked out anywhere between €60k and €120k for a license they now need to repay the debt on. Building hundreds of hours instructing, banner towing and dropping isn’t going to pay off their debt and in most cases isn’t even enough to cover basic living costs.

They have the proof and have seen that hundreds of hours spent flying small aircraft doesn’t put them in a better position with airlines but a worse one, as countless other eager new pilots will have bitten the cherry before they ever do.

As always, it’s about Supply vs. Demand. The job has sold out to the lowest bidder willing to settle for the worst possible contract just to “get a go”.

Does anybody know if the recruitment for experienced f/o start 2015 is finished or if more to come?

Norwegian B737 Pilot selection (Updated)
 

I'm not current NAS- however I'm ex-FR and looking to go back. Just reading the recent thread here and noticed that guys HAVE been given bases etc. I believe there's a hold pool and people are in that. There is a separate threat discussing this... However I don't believe any ex-FR or anyone in this holding pool has been given a start date as yet! So I've heard!

Many employers quite rightly take the view that if you leave once, you'll likely do so again and will not reemploy. It also sends out a message to other employee's to think long and hard before jumping ship, the counter point is that by having someone back into the fold they can act as positive influence over others, whilst this counter point may have been true once, the internet age and sites such as this means no one should be joining any company without knowing what there getting into, hence the shock & awe at Norwegians ham fisted handling of its winter crewing levels, an event that will likely impact it well into next year given that on top of this they are changing the agency structure.

Meanwhile Jet2 continue in the same HR haze of interviewing/sim-in/offering employment futures with no start date and Ryanair snap up the 'hold' folk that are worth having (i know of personally of 4 now) and a number of Jet2 Captains have recently been interview by Ryanair, the main complaint being roster disruption and the near impossibility of a commute home, something that FR are now actively addressing ahead of next Summer.

Given the fiasco at Norwegian i suspect the steady flow of people they have had from Ryanair will dry up and they like Jet2 will be short of Captains going into the Summer.

Norwegian B737 Pilot selection (Updated)
 

@facelook- Yes I do agree with your point about not taking on ex-employees. I do believe a select few can return to a company and make a positive input and potentially stay long term. Myself being an FO who has no interest in the ME or Asia would plan to see out my command and stay in FR for to foreseeable future. I don't think in the LCC world anyone can say "for good" as a lot can change very quickly. As the last decade in aviation has shown!

woops :hmm:

FIRST OFFICERS NON TYPERATED B737 ? 3 MONTHS SUMMER CONTRACT-Latest Pilot Jobs-Latest Pilot Jobs

I had to put my tablet down, stand up , go into my kitchen, get a glass of water, go back to my lounge, sit down, take a drink, pick up my tablet, read that again all so I could spit out the water in disgust. I want to say surely no one will be that desperate, but I know they will.

What?
 

Paying for a 37 rating yourself with the outlook of a 3-month contract?!?

Come on... this is ridiculous! Even if you could expect to earn a decent figure - which isn't the case at all - this would be cr...p and nonsense! Given the facts and figures written in this thread about the company it's more like a joke! Others are complaining about being sacked after summer... with this contract it's like they don't even have to sack you and you know it all before!

Please do not screw yourselves, guys! Nobody should be that desperate! Better leave the industry or don't get even started like this... you will never see the end of it - financially ruined! Whatever you think you will be having with being a pilot, it's not worth it... trust me! If you wanna waste your money or money isn't a factor, spend it elsewhere, that's better!


Keep hoping, but don't fall for it!

3 month contract ? WTF ? ?


If you really think that 300hrs (absolute max) on a 737 will even get you looked at anywhere else you would remotely wish to work , well :ugh:


Unfortunately, Yes, they will be flooded with applicants. . . . ambition/blind optimism usually triumphs over common sense.

Well, that is a new low we have sunk to, I always found slightly distasteful the Air Baltic "6mths if you are lucky" offer, & we won't even speak about Lion Air /Eagle Jet, but at least you had time to acquire more experience.

Many (including me ) criticise them, however, when asked , if you must do SSTR I always recommend Ryanair, as, at least, the contract (even if not spectacular ) is ongoing.

This "offer" of 3months quite frankly makes me ashamed to admit to working for NAS.

Oh, it would be wise (given the events of this Autumn) if you are nonetheless "tempted", to refrain from believing any or all half promises you may be given in reference to future employment, they want your money, and then they want the money from the next round of mugs, that is all.

Norwegian is a fake. I know a company that I never will work for.:hmm:

http://www.regulations.gov/contentSt...ontentType=pdf

More happy stories from inside the red noses.

RTO
 

It will probably not surprise anyone that there is another side to this story.

This is one very bitter individual!!

During the establishment of Norwegian Long haul and well before the Dreamliner was delivered, Norwegian had one B738 on NLH AOC. To properly comply with AOC requirement all pilots had to complete a very simple CBT on the personel structure of NLH (it took 10 minutes to complete) this was so this single aircraft on the NLH AOC could be flown by crew on NAN/NAS AOC. I cannot recall any promises or benefits being offered, it was a paper work exercise to ensure compliance.

NLH have never operated long haul flights from Finland unless you count LPA/TFS

It would be inappropriate for me to comment on Capt Colman's comments, but these are not reflected by 99.9% of Captains working for or on behalf of Norwegian.

To my knowledge there has only been a couple of instances where a contract pilots contract has been terminated.

Square peg round hole best sums it up.

LNIDA, you might argue that NAS do not abuse staff on contracts and I tend to agree. However the real point I interpret from the letter is a complaint about the employment model. There is truth and evidence in the industry that in-direct employment can lead to diminished rights for employees and a reduction in the reporting by those employees.

In my opinion there is no good reason (for us) why NAS would want their permanent Pilots one, two or three steps removed from them. Easyjet don't need these extraordinary permanent employment models so why should we?

Again I agree, NAS, at this moment in time, do not tend to abuse the diminished rights of agency pilots, but NAS is evolving and a day may come in the future when we wished we hadn't have given up our demands for direct employment.

LNIDA you seem to hold an exceptionally positive view of the company on this forum. I really do hope your positivity is proven correct over the next 12 months. :ok:Fancy defending the self sponsored 737 rating and 3 month contract? :yuk: Norwegian Air Shuttle ASA Pilots - FIRST OFFICERS NON TYPERATED B737 ? 3 MONTHS SUMMER CONTRACT

Maybe LNIDA is Bjorn Kjos daughter ....... :}

And I'm sure Mr Colman has a case! :sad:

Widebody
 

Nope don't intend to defend the indefensible.

I think NAS are moving in the direction with regard to employment but they have gone about it in a cack handed way, as reflected in the internal flight safety bulletin.

My observation is that OSM are 'just' replacing the current 3 agencies, the contract is the same apart from 3 month notice & being permeant

Just how many of the 3 month-er's will end up working only 3 months after line release remains to be seen, i note also that the current NTR course have now had their terms and conditions improved dramatically, but they were piss poor before.

Going back to Capt Colman he joined as a contract pilot and yes some feel less secure and this may make them less likely to report on flight safety issues, that is human nature, but not company policy, many ex UK pilots have raised their eyebrows at what was allowed under UK CAA rules and what is allowed under Norway rules, it matters not now because all fall within EASA rules.

I have no rose tinted glasses where NAS/NAN/NAI are concerned, but the overwhelming vast majority of pilots i fly with are more than satisfied with both the deal and the way that they are treated by NAS, communication over contract matters aside.

Outside of LGW & Core you'll not earn more for working so little, standby duties are seldom called maybe 1 -20 call out to duty and 1 -40 on the day

On balance if your happy with your base i still think its ahead of Ryanair and Jet2 but behind easyJet

It is 3 months linetraining... If you did not manage to complete contract will be extended until completed. Then its thanks and goodbye.

Then back in March when we need 200+ pilots to fly 2016 deliveries, hell, it could be worse, unemployed, MaCa,dee's

Most people who got invited were actually not unemployed.... so you think people will quit their jobs, do this contract and stay unemployed for 9 months and hope for a new contract in 2016? Or this will start all over again.

Kjos nightmare of having to have one fleet of N registered 787's and one fleet of EI registered 787's just got a step closer...

Who knows whether the Coleman episode played into the hands of the opponents of NAI's application? Arguably, he has cause to be bitter doesn't he?!

Back here in the UK however, employing pilots "permanently" via third party agencies is only emasculating us further.

Back in April the RMT took a case to the ECHR, with one of its submissions being that the UK prohibition on Secondary Strike action was inconsistent with Article 11 of the ECHR.

In short the Court accepted that the right to Secondary Strike action is enshrined in Article 11(1) of the ECHR, but that the the UK's prohibition of this right because of the potential adverse effects on the rights of persons not party to the dispute 11(2) superseded this right.

In doing so, however, the Court noted that the UK's prohibition lies at one end of the spectrum with respect to this right and is regularly criticised by bodies such as the International Labour Organisation. I understand only 3 other European countries prohibit Secondary Strike action?

I understand BALPA is very much on the Norwegian case, but they/we need to bat the FR/NAS employment paradigms into the weeds once and for all.

HMRC tests as to whether typical airline contractors are or are not "employees" easily demonstrate that pilots working for these airlines (and others) should have proper contracts commensurate with their "employee" status.

Traitor to his Contry!
 

Hi All
I am a not happy with the fact that Quisling Bjørn stole my Contry name.
He used to be great ,,,,,We stil are!

The encouraging thing lately is that most of my colleagues at LGW are speaking about the terms and conditions our very nice colleagues over the corridor at Easyjet are on.

It seems to be a benchmark for what people at LGW expect BALPA to help us achieve. I would be more than happy with that.

However, there is a lot of work for the interim company counsel/BALPA to do yet.

The only way NAS will align with Easy is to close the company, sack the directors and start over again,fundamentally the difference is scruples. Easy is a decent company with sympathetic rules and is prepared to be flexible at regional bases, NAS is run as a Scandi dictatorship,all that comes from the mothership is " red spin". How can BALPA negotiate terms and conditions when the majority of pilots are simply " agency workers", in other words "temporary assets". The first step, which still appears evasive ,is for a basic employment contract as " employees, not as an independent service providers. Esayjet was started with passion and has always had a family feeling, NAS was started as a people carrier with profit and cost as the benchmarks. You compare chalk and cheese I'm sorry to say.

Avenger there is a lot going on behind the scenes that you know nothing about.

Permanent employment and union recognition is the name of the game. No arguments there. That's what we are fighting for.

I have said it once before and I will say it again. This place is a nice place to operate from on a day to day basis and it is worth fighting for.

If you think we are just about to roll over you are mistaken.

I may have missed the detail along the way but does anyone know how much they are charging for the rating?

Flaps.. "Nice" usually translate to nice colleagues, good a/c and decent roster pattern, nice crew facilities.. it does not translate to job security and sense of worth. I totally agree you should all fight for your rights, no one is suggesting you turn turtle, however, my colleagues that work for your company also were told that things were going on in the background..that has been the case for months.
What NAS management should do is put out an official bold statement regarding their intentions rather than rely on the rumour mill. And the tactic of sacking 6o guys to flex their muscles.. well come on, this is not the stone age. Are BALPA recognised in any formal negotiation sense by NAS or is the theme " if we have enough members we must be recognised?"

Avenger
 

I would ascribe it more to growing pains and let be honest easyJet has had its own share of them.......Lisbon springs to mind, 60 pilots weren't sacked at least not in the sense you describe it and whilst what did happen was neither professional or strictly necessary the likely outcome is that things will improve dramatically this next few months.

Norwegian is a better product from a customer perspective we just need to make sure it becomes the same from employee perspective and yes lots going on!!

Does anyone know the cost of this typerating?

Have you swallowed the sales manual whole LNIDA ? I am all for employees supporting their company but…… this bunch ? Really ? Better customer proposition - do they get two seats ? A massage after take off ? As stated earlier in this thread, EZY and Monarch were borne out of passion and this is a far better starting point for success than a drive for market domination based on price alone. And no, I am not a EZY pilot.

Jax: No I would suspect your a Monarch pilot that is eager to join the ranks at Ezy as a DEC because it isn't so rosy at MON anymore? LNIDA was just saying that the product down the back is better than that of Easy and indeed FR or Monarch. And he's right. It is vastly better. However, it doesn't mean that it's a better company to work for than Monarch or Easy in relation to terms and conditions. But that's a work in progress. Avenger: All points taken and I agree with what you say. Just to reiterate what my colleague LNIDA has said, no one was sacked. It was forced leave. Inexcusable still.

As I said there is an unimaginable amount going on across the network (even as I'm writing this post right now) behind the scenes via SEPLA and BALPA.

It would not be appropriate for me to comment any further on it, but this is far from over.

After speaking to recruitment a few days ago I was told that there will only be 3 Months contracts this summer....

Er, sorry to be blunt. . . but, did you read the last 2 (even the last 2 ) pages of the thread before posting :rolleyes:

Thinking of joining Norwegian?
 

This may be of interest to you before you make up your mind;

Dear Pilots,

We have spoken and mailed with very many of you regarding your concern over the contract offer from OSM and the threatening tone when you have communicated that you are reluctant to sign yet. The agreement was that if you don’t belong to the 1st or 2nd group, you could choose to stay with your agency until our (Xxxxxx) contract with Norwegian runs out in mid 2015. We have several times received confirmation from Norwegian/NAR on this issue and we have received feedback from some of you who have contacted Norwegian, and in most cases, Norwegian have responded that it is perfectly OK to await the change to OSM until end of June 2015.
However, some of you who have received the offer to change to OSM 01.01.15 – which was recently changed to 01.02.15 due to your notice period with your present employer (termination notice required)– and who don’t want to change yet, feel insecure due to the miscommunication, threats and deviation from the initial information sent to you all.

As your employer, we have done our best to keep you informed in these challenging times for you, understanding that this concerns your career and livelihood, but this is not easy when the game rules change as we go along and a variety of information coming from all possible angles.

Since the deadline from OSM is approaching soon, we have asked NAR for a firm and final answer as to what exactly are the conditions regarding the future for the pilots with Norwegian if they choose to stay with us for a while longer. Please see below the answer we received:

”De piloter som har fått ett erbjudande men vars kontrakt med er inte löpt ut ännu kan välja att stanna hos er eller acceptera erbjudandet de fått med startdatum 1 februari. Väljer de att tacka nej till erbjudandet de fått nu och stanna hos er så kan vi inte garantera att de får ett nytt erbjudande i juni men förhoppningsvis så har vi behov av dem då. Som ni vet said har vi ett väldigt stort överskott av piloter just nu varför vi har permitterat ett stort antal piloter under vintern. Behovskalkylerna för april och framöver är inte klara ännu så därför kan vi inte ge några garantier som piloten nedan vill ha.
Mvh
Krister”

TRANSLATION into English:

“Those pilots who have received an offer but whose contract with you has not expired yet, may choose to stay with you or accept the offer they received with the start date February 1st. If they choose to decline the offer they received now and stay with you, we cannot guarantee that they get a new offer in June, but hopefully we have need for them then. As you know, we have a very large surplus of pilots right now which is why we have laid off a large number of pilots during the winter. Estimates for April and the future is not clear yet so therefore we can give no assurance that the pilot want.
Brgds
Krister”

You are more than welcome to stay with Xxxxxxx until our contract with Norwegian runs out, but you need to know that Norwegian may take that as an opportunity to adjust their number of pilots. We would also like to emphasize that theoretically, it is only the pilots who have been with us for more than 12 months who have received an offer from OSM for the time being. The rest of you will receive an offer to sign with OSM when your 12 months is up. This has to do with our original agreement with NAR.

We remain at your full disposal.



Best regards from all of us at Xxxxxx

News
 

Guys any recent news regarding conditions and salary for newjoiners?

Thank you for any info.

I would appreciate: How much netto can you expect to get monthly in spanish base(TFS, LPA, AGP) at 80hours/month?

Thank you very much.

Are they calling for interview now ?
Any date for conversion in the near future?


Thanks

Any news?
thanks

How much netto you ask?
Close to zero, when they make you redundant during the winter months.

Hi, I'm looking to find out some info re the DEC B738 positions at LGW. Anyone have any idea on salary and 'perks', if there are any?