The opinions and comments by Norwegian Air Apologists are ONLY inconsequential.

The OBJECTIVE IS JUST the hard facts on the subject.

And ALL the hard facts are Indisputable.

TIP: " FOLLOW THE MONEY "

Wake up and Stop dreaming.

So everybody who does not agree with your line of argument is an apologest. Didn't know that you are the unfaillable ;) Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

BTW never got the answer which US Regional pays their first year FO 60K plus 35K bonus...

Don't know, but with Bondi you're able to discuss and argue. Marvelman act's like a member of the holy inquisition.

BTW I'm no BK fanboy and I'd never ever work for him.

Well, When you are a hammer, everything in the world looks like a nail.

And, BK and his trolls are the biggest nails of all.

Again, Tip : "Follow The Money".

What I do know about you is:

- You are unable and / or unwilling to participate in a debate

- You provide no references for your 'hard facts'

- In fact, your hard facts are opinions, yours or someone elses you just reiterated

- You resort to name calling when your facts and opinions are challenged.

- You are making a rookie mistake in using a single business parameter without context to base your opinion on.

- You show that you have no clue what coporate credit ratings are normal for airlines and what default probability a rating of baa3 / BBB- actually implies

- You refer to financial analyses without providing a reference. Here is one for you: https://webapp.sebgroup.com/mbs/research.nsf/alldocsbyunid/CD0FD8856587EB75C1257F56004F564C/$FILE/NAScredit110216aqw.pdf

If this is the kind of analysis you base your opinion on, then you show that you cannot grasp the contents of such a report in full and just pick and choose whatever suits your agenda.

Nothing to debate. Indisputable Facts. This is the Reality.

The proof is in the pudding.

The stock price continues in a Daily Sharp Decline.

Today - Now 268.

From 302 --- last week.

Despite the Hype, immediately after Norwegian announced, the addition of 30 more planes this year, --- last week.

--- Last April - 379.00

In Steady Persistent Decline.

The facts are the facts.

Tip: "Follow The Money".

The Non-sustainable, preceding paramount issues here, are:

Rising Overcapacity, Rising Debt, Rising Financing Interest Rates, Rising Volatility, Rising Fuel Prices, Rising Competition, Escalating Fare Wars, and,
Underpaid / Overworked Labor Force.

I will not respond any further on this.

Thank God.

annakm:

I would like you to elaborate on the subject matter of my posts rather than invent failed excuses to divert attention from the facts. Your contributions have little to offer. While we wait for your next masterpiece, readers may consider additional concerns regarding Norwegian’s recent 737 safety event and affirmation of the fear culture working environment;

“It is of grave concern that we have noted Tomas Hesthammer, Norwegian’s flight operations manager, dismisses the incident as harmless and unnecessarily hyped up by the media”

http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/innsp...n-los/66631093

http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/flysi...nsand/66559079

“Despite Norwegian's assurances that the incident did not involve any risk for either passengers or crew, it is an indisputable fact that Norwegian's own skilled cabin crew on board reacted strongly to the incident and the Slovak pilots' handling of the situation. They therefore decided to refuse to fly further with the Go2Sky pilots after landing in Oslo”

“Rather than praise the cabin employees resolute action during the incident, Norwegian has publicly criticized one of the flight attendants for procedural violations”

Tomas Hesthammer was also in charge of flight operations at the time of the 787 incident in JFK. Four flight attendants were summarily dismissed even before Norwegian initiated a formal investigation. No action was taken against the Captain, despite flying the aircraft across the Atlantic illegally without the required number of crew. The Captain had previously written a letter to the DOT supporting the NAI permit application. Dagbladet news reported;

“Tomas Hesthammer claims in an email to Dagbladet that the "captain's decision to fly with five in the cabin, with 196 passengers, meets the basic requirement of a cabin crew member per 50 passengers” - apparently, Norwegian has a regulatory exemption to the requirement based on seats:

http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/norw...synet/60837640

The airline “unemployment” labor model, fear culture, punishment and reward scheme, combined with incompetent management and rapid expansion, has the potential to create additional safety events in 2017.

“It is of grave concern that we have noted Tomas Hesthammer, Norwegian’s flight operations manager, dismisses the incident as harmless and unnecessarily hyped up by the media”

That will be the same TH that transmitted on an open Mic on OSL Appr demonstrating complete loss of SA whilst trying to perform a fly-past over Fornebu/central Oslo I guess, with the Deputy who once came "oh so close to a CFIT up North ", but, it is OK, they are both SkyGods now, able to command a Dreamliner without any time spent in the role of Crz Capt. . . . guess it must be all these years as fully paid up members of the "Seattle Cocktail Club" that made the difference. . . . . whatever happened to that promise to give Delivery Flights to "soon to be retiring Capts". . .Oh sorry, that was a brainfart corrected when they suddenly realised that the "Norwegian Family" had become extinct in the meantime. . . . .

Some consider their writings a masterpiece, others would consider them a diatribe.

However, you still have avoided asking my original question. My father is particularly interested in the issues you have raised.

annakm;

An opportunity to be "particularly interested" was presented at an earlier time. I remind you of the declaration on Norwegian's website of compliance (allegedly) with International Labor Organization, ILO, conventions:

Human Worth | Norwegian

You may both consider my latest provision of facts:

“Spanish unions threaten Norwegian Strike ” – DN News 10/1/17

http://www.dn.no/nyheter/2017/01/10/...ian-med-streik

Following the lead of Norwegian’s US based flight attendants,

https://storage.googleapis.com/dakot...NMB-No.-21.pdf

Spanish crews also desire a collective agreement with the parent airline, as opposed to a resource/holding/asset group, namely; Norwegian Air Resources Spain (NAR ES).

“We will not accept to negotiate with NAR ES, a staffing company, since this is not consistent with the [Spanish] labor laws, says USO representative Ernesto Inglesis”

When asked about the possible strike, Norwegian’s paid mouthpiece, Lassie Sandakerveien Nilsen told DN news;

“We have good constructive dialogue with the Spanish unions” – “Our Spanish colleagues are permanently employed in a Spanish/Norwegian company and not in the Norwegian parent company. Collective agreement is therefore made between the two Spanish parties”

Just in case some of you are still having difficulty seeing through Norwegian's smoke and mirrors, convoluted, multi jurisdictional shell game, review the EU Commission report:

http://ec.europa.eu/competition/merg...7949_400_3.pdf

“Norwegian’s operations are separated into a commercial airline group with the appropriate Air Operators Certificate holders (AOC holders), an asset group, a resource group and other activities”

There is no permanent employment with a Norwegian AOC airline.

Until such time as there is a Collective Labor Agreement with the airline, Norwegian may return you to your agency employer (a Norwegian asset/resource/holding group) without notice, reason or recourse. The labor model is effectively an airline “unemployment” scheme, and with it, Norwegian is leading the race to the bottom by undermining labor standards, labor rights and labor principles.

annakm; to avoid any confusion, on your part, I am not intimidated in the slightest. Unlike a previous victim of the Norwegian regime, I am not a homeless, penniless, single mother:

"Feel exposed to witch hunt from Kjos"

Føler seg utsatt for heksejakt fra Kjos etter Norwegian-krangel - Dagbladet

I'm very happy for ou that you're not intimidated, why should you be? Strange reply.

My whole family are very interested in aviation, particularly Norwegian, which we follow with interest; that's why your posts have caught my attention. I was genuinely fascinated with your strength of feeling about the company and whether this was a result of a personal grievance or mistreatment. I'm still no clearer, shame, because who knows, I may have been in total agreement with you.

Guess I'll have to go back into my cave and continue working on my masterpiece.

Er, I'm not Bjorn Kjos's daughter!?! And I've never personally been involved with pilot planning so I'm afraid I can't help there. Sorry.. Not all scandinavians are related to BK! ;)

Here's one U.S. Regional paying $60K for "qualified" first year pilots:

http://www.psaairlines.com/careers/pilots/?utm_source=AirlinePilotCentral&utm_medium=300x250&utm_campa ign=Sept2016&utm_content=PilotPay

I know, but 60K/year plus 35K bonus..... ? I doubt that!

Maybe some US legacy/regional/cargo riders can help me here;

Norwegian(OSM really) wanted me as DEC for their FLL base but I kindly declined, not willing to cut my benefits into more than half and still having to commute/unreliable roster(I live in LA, no not the state:))

Really looking for a job/career with a US legacy/cargo, maybe regional,but don't how realistic this is. Most important is to cut my commute to have a happier and healthier life. Starting right seat no problem but a too big a pay cut is an issue(keep my American wife/kids happy).
I am a European citizen and a Green Card holder(eligible for US citizenship). Have EASA and FAA ATPL. Current as a cap on a Boeing widebody for a European major.14k total time, most widebody jets and 6k+ cap widebody(Boeing and AB).Getting close to 'the" 50 years young.

I am pretty new to the US pilot job market so appreciate some good input!

Hey guys,

I would like to ask if anyone has recently been through the assessment for either the self sponsorship type rating course or the direct entry FO.

My question is this, I have completed the online test but I want to know if you need to do these tests again when brought forward for interview and or sim check.

Thanks

Answer from OSM : they are currently screening Captain and rated FO applications.
Assessments for NTR FO should not take place before march...

Can anybody tell me the net take-home for a captain B737 with NAS in FCO and LPA?

LPA around €7000, FCO I would imagine a bit less, as the contract "offered" (which pretty much no-one wanted hence the struggle to crew the base ) was inferior to Spanish bases, and, I am given to understand, Italian taxes will be higher than Spanish.

Thanks for the info!

Ciao tutti

Has anybody recently applied and done online tests? If so have you recieved a call back?

Hell folks!

I'm attending to the Norwegian 737 FO screening with OSM in Oslo on February 8th, any other pilots attending the same day to share some information and the taxi to the OSM office?

NAI
 

Hi!

Just a question regarding base. How is the possibility of choosing base in Scandinavia with Norwegian? Or do you always end up in Spain for a few years?

The way things are looking like now, chances are close to nil regarding getting a scandinavian base.

@APU_inop not correct. Waiting time for a scandi base at the moment currently down to 6 months or less. That can and will change(for better or worse), but dont disregard the opportunity. We are talking FO`s here. Upgrade with Scandi base currently running at six years. With eurobase...tomorrow ;-)

How long did it take after you did the online tests until you heard from them?

@directmusbi

Are you referring to a permanent Scandinavian core contract, or a temporary broker contract?

Hey November7
How many hours do you have ?
Any 737 ?
Which position did you apply for ? (I mean TR FO or NTR)

Unless you want to sell a kidney take the train!

they are taking in all the bases?

Any info about upgrades / bases... When appointed with a permanent base as FO can you remain in the base after completion of the upgrade or are you forced to change base?

To be qualified to enter the command upgrade selection process you need to have been in the company for 1 year, with 2 sim checks graded good or better. You'll then be able to apply for the selection process consisting of a sim check, interview and technical exam, and if you pass the selection you'll be put on a command course according to your seniority.

You will then be asked to bid for your 3 preferred bases and will be given your base during ground school. Generally, you will be placed wherever the company needs you and upon completion of final line check you'll be given whatever base that was specified as your 'release base'. At the next base bidding process you can then request your preferred base and again, seniority according to MSL applies as to who gets what. In short, you're entering a bit of a lottery. Some people with good seniority sometimes get to stay, but in general, expect a move to one of the less popular bases.

Unfortunately, there is no reference to a Master Seniority List, upgrade selection or base bidding rights in the employment contract between the pilot(s) and their staffing agency employer, OSM. In any dispute, pilots have no recourse via an Employment Tribunal (UK), or other options against those making the decisions, i.e. Norwegian airline managers. Previously, pilots who agreed a base after being hired and later refused a base change during ground school, faced a “take it or leave it” ultimatum.

Norwegian’s LGW based pilots pay union dues to BALPA for representation to staffing agency, OSM, with whom they have a Collective Labor Agreement. However, the option for trade union representation and a CLA directly with the Norwegian AIRLINE exists, as follows:

OSM CEO, Espen Hoiby, recently stated the company "adherence to the International Labor Organization core conventions on freedom of association, organizing and collective bargaining” – link:

http://www.icenews.is/2017/01/16/ceo...#axzz4XSxrmcRH

Norwegian’s CEO, Bjorn Kjos, also declares his compliance with ILO conventions (allegedly) – link:

http://www.norwegian.com/uk/about/co...y/human-worth/

The ILO guide to Employment Relationships in Europe details the legal criteria to determine the Norwegian airline to be the employer of the pilots. The UK is a signatory to ILO conventions. A previous UK court ruling found;

“For instance, in Dacas v. Brook St Bureau (2004) ICR 1437, the court found that “as a general (but not invariable) rule for employment law purposes a temp supplied by an employment agency to an end-user client [a Norwegian airline] will be an employee of the client and will be neither self employed nor an employee of the agency itself” - link:

http://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/pub...cms_209280.pdf

BALPA recently fought and won a case against Jet2 described as “an important case on trade union rights”. BALPA General Secretary said; “this case proves that where it is necessary BALPA will robustly defend our right and duty to stand up for pilots and their interests” – link:

http://aviationtribune.com/airlines/...rk-legal-case/

Given the ILO conventions, pledges of ILO compliance by Espen Hoiby and Bjorn Kjos, and BALPA’s declaration to “stand up for pilots and their interests”, why do Norwegian’s pilots, the “united” Norwegian Pilot Group, not demand their BALPA (and SEPLA) union dues are used to represent them directly to the Norwegian AIRLINE rather than staffing agency, OSM?

Here we go again, you bear a stark resemblance to a broken record SC! I suggest you go and find another hobby!

But isn't he/she right?

Norwegian (sorry OSM) must be under the impression that they have become an "employer of choice" , contrary to all the evidence presented here, and the fact that most applicants I know of are of the "minimum experience" variety.

According to an erstwhile colleague the selection now goes something like this


Most of the people failing
6 online tests
Screening day from 8 til 16
Interview
Group exercise
Technical interview
Compass test 90 min
And then after all this
Simulator

Seems they are under the impression that the harder they make it, the more the applicant may believe it is worthwhile . . . . word to the wise, it isn't. :=

Bondi and Playstation,

You really are a couple of plums. We all know you are upset about how your careers with Norwegian ended. However, your constant hijackiing of these threads to express your discontent takes up an inordinate amount of bandwidth. There are actually pilots who are asking genuine questions who would actually like relevant information rather than propaganda from a couple of embittered ex-employees. Please grow up boys.

Take your own advice.

adolf,

my last post described the current selection process as it was relayed to me, which part of "Norwegian Pilot Selection" does that fail to address ? or, am I not allowed to add my own opinions on how worthwhile it is to put yourself through it ? don't worry, just utilise the correct handshake & you too can be welcomed to the brotherhood. . . . sorry, "Norwegian Family".