Thanks again captainplaystation much appreciated

Hi guys, is there anyone on the inside knowing if they hire non-RYR first officers at the moment? I fulfil the requirements and I'm looking for some fresh air :}

Are they still grouping the off-days so that I can goto my home country in northern europe for a visit from time to time? Can you jumpseat on an ID-ticket in case of a full airplane?

As far as I know there have been non ex FR FO's hired in recent times, even if they are in the minority.

Days off are 12/mth variable, but most contract bases seem to get 3x4 or a 3/4& 5, single days off are rare, although LGW was at one time receiving 3 off with an early start/late finish on the working days, but that seems to have been solved.

Travelling to & from home/work is done on a S2 (Duty SBY) ticket which you request via sms/computer. This takes precedence over leisure travel tickets, even if you are the most junior & the "holidaymaker" the most senior. Jump seats are at Capts discretion, I have never been refused, the only problem is the rules in UK airspace should you end up LGW based.

Sounds like an excellent roster! can you take like 2-3 days of annual leave with one month of notice if something unforeseen happens? or are they picky on granting the leave?

Leave system (in my experience) leaves a lot to be desired, 2-3 days extra off is very very unlikely, they like it in blocks of 1 week or more.

Others seem to have had more luck with the system, but it could be a lot better.

Request days off, so far has also been "problematical".

Cont.

HEL base... Probably quite good. Last year, 8 out of 12 of my course got HEL. Most of us have since moved base. Quite popular with Scandies... Easy commute for the Swedes.

It's a nice base, and great airport/ATC/ground handling, in my opinion.

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Hi guys, sorry if already answered. Just quickly, before committing to joining do you know the base? and say you have the base you want hence you join, do they tend to change that over time or are you relatively safe?

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In it to win it
 

You will not normally know the base before joining and that due to the lead time on the program and recruitment, but you can normally work it out!!!

Recently, the company took the time to explain how they work out base requirements and how they manage the transfer requests etc. A very impressive piece of work and transparent communication, in my opinion.

I do believe that (subject to operational requirements) they try to place pilots in their base of choice. Within a year of joining, the majority of my conversion course are now in, or will shortly be in their base of choice. The biggest issue at the moment, is the lack of core positions, and therefore Scandi bases for the Scandi guys & girls. It is my hope that, with permanent employment this year, there might be some way of accommodating more Scandi pilots into the 'core' bases.

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Sorry guys, a bit off topic. What's the best way from OSL airport to Fornebu trainingcenter?
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Flytoget train to Lysaker station. Then a bus ride that stops right outside on No 31 or a 20 minute walk. Norwegian head office is right across the road from SAS and the Radisson Blue is just a 3 minute walk. The Telenor arena will be clearly visible from both head offices.

Or if you are a skinflint take the local train from OSL to Lysaker & save a few bucks (Flytoget is NOT cheap ) if you have a little extra time available.

We were picked up from the airport by norwegian and driven to our hotel in Fornebu

thanks guys

You are only picked up if you are attending an OCC and therefore have already been accepted. If you are attending an interview you find your own way.

That's how I understand it.

I wasn't picked up for my OCC . . . . grumble , mutter, gnashing of teeth :( ( & having joined after a protracted period out to grass, that's why I suggested the "cheap option" :D ) maybe enough bods screwed up the navigating part to elicit the instigation of a "conscripts" bus :ok:

I was picked up monday and driven to the airport friday for the duration of the OCC. Hired permanently after a year and now based in my fav Scandi base:ok:
I am X-Evil Empire and what a difference in T and C, atmosphere..

Hi all, how long after applying have all been waiting lately? I applied about a month ago

I think they are just re-reviewing the numbers at the moment temporarily, as well as a bit of a shuffle around within the recruitment dept.

I applied over a year ago and still waiting :)

Heard from just selected F/o that selections will decrease in the coming months

Looking at the aircraft on order, we still need to recruit a lot more Pilots. In my experience, NAS have recruited a larger ratio of Captains than FO's, in the short term, as we can fly in both seats, which gives them more flexibility. We've also recruited a lot of experienced FO's, some of which are already upgrading within a year of joining, so, there will still be a significant requirement for FO's in the future. It's just a question of time and training department capacity.

May be an obvious point, but a personal recommendation from someone from within NAS, helps a lot!

Good things come to those who wait :ok:

A friend contacted the agencies: no dec s anymore untill after the summer and non type rated need not apply for 738 and non Boeing experience need not apply for 787 unfortunately....

Also factor in that the classic fleet is being reduced.

The original plan was i believe 15 courses during the 1st quarter, then every alternative week.

Just running through a few things in my mind regarding this company. I'm wondering what happens after the 2 year temporary contract. From what I can see you will be permanently employed in a company, what form that takes I think has still to be decided.

I noticed some rumours on here about them setting up different companies in the various countries that they have a base. Would this mean that transferring from one base to another would then become far more problematic?

Cont
 

A good question, but it shouldn't be any more difficult than changing agency and that is straightforward, Norwegian's product is seasonal, more so in terms of location than the volume of product, due to the Scandinavian's decamping en masse to the Canary isle come winter, so there is always some movement of people to bases other than their own with season change, this tends to be new hire, but not exclusively so.

Does anyone have any updated info/rumours regarding if the FO-recruitment will start to pick up again?

All courses up until May are filled as far as I'm aware.

From what I've heard the next recruiting drive is around Autumn time.

Are there any news regarding what actually has happened to the contract-pilots who has finished their two years and now supposedly should be employed directly?

We should know within the next few weeks as the HEL base becomes 3 years old. The company had the option to extend the time period up to 3 years (which they did) the time is now up.

I wonder what they're going to come up with, and if this leads to a subsequent change in T&Cs besides the contract expiration issue.

Any rumours about new bases?

There should be some calls going out this month (April) for interviews in May if anyone hears could you please post, thanks

For captains or first officers?

Ive heard both but more FO's or so the rumours go!

Interviews
 

Has anyone had an invitation to an interview yet? The suspense is killing me :*

I was told there would be interviews next month by friends already in but there hasn't been a word amongst my colleagues who have applied. Going on what I have seen in the last six to eight months they don't give a lot of notice, it's usually about a week to ten days notice for an interview. The recruitment process is very no nonsense with short lead in times and generally a job offer within a day or two of the interview. So when it happens, it happens fast.

I had about 4 or 5 days notice when I had mine, got the results a few days after that too.

Thanks Guys! Still all sounds pretty positive. Fingers crossed

Everyting happens fast with Norwegian. Fingers crossed too

I had fully expected the eventual Spanish "permanent Contract" to be wholly insulting, but neither I, nor anyone else was expecting this desultory offer made to the HEL based crew.

Welcome to Ryanair Finland, sorry NAS Finland, no sorry, right 1st time Ryanair Finland


This info was sent out from NASPA:
"Dear Colleagues,
As predicted, individual contracts are being sent out. Please find
attached the contract you will receive/have received from NAR. NASPA board
recommends everyone NOT TO SIGN this contract.
It is VITAL that we all speak with ONE VOICE. ALL questions and
queries should be sent to NASPA, that will in coordination with lawyers
send the questions to Norwegian.
Best Regards
NASPA Board"


They also mentioned that they're planning to reduce the agency salaries.
Here are some numbers from the contract:
Base pay
Pilot less than 2 000 hours: 3 000 € per month
Pilot more than 2 000 hours: 3 500 € per month
Captain supplement
Supplement for appointment as Captain during assignment:
Captain less than 2 000 hours PIC: 1 800 € per month
Captain more than 2 000 hours PIC: 2 400 € per month
Block hour supplement
Block hour supplement: 12 € per Block hour
Fixed Extra Pay (Holiday work, stby compensation etc)
Pilot less than 2 000 hours: 600 € per month
Pilot more than 2 000 hours: 700 € per month
While an employee is appointed Captain the fixed extra payment is in total:
Captain less than 2 000 hours PIC: 1 060 € per month
Captain more than 2 000 hours PIC: 1180 € per month
Overtime
Overtime payment: monthly base salary/160
Allowance
Daily Allowances will be paid in accordance with mandatory Finnish tax legislation/Vero.fi.
If the pilot agrees to work on a scheduled day off, a lump sum of 8% of the pilot's monthly base salary is paid.
The pilot is entitled to a minimum of 9 days off duty per calendar month.The days should include one weekend (Saturday-Sunday) as well as one additional period of at least two consecutive days.
Loss of licence not mentioned in contract but during meeting.
The employment agreement is terminated without further notice if the employee loses his or her certificates
This is extracts from the permanent contract that on behalf of Norwegians management today, 5th of May, we been approached with. As it seems, the company thinks this is fair and competetive.
We disagree!

Looks like a :mad: contract with the aim that people should be fooled into believing that permanent contracts are not good, very much like fr/brk?

Read the whole thing and made a plus/minus list. Not much on the plus side

+
They pay for uniform cleaning
Regulated not to work on both christmas and new years.

-
Pay for passports. Think its paid by agency now?
9 days of (25% reduction from todays 12)
1 h report time for stby
Day off payment 8% of base salary. Is this 8% of the WHOLE monts salary? If so acctually a slight increase for fo but a decrease for cpt. Currently 350/750e.
No pension apart from finnish social system. From what I understand you already have that?

Salaries, allowance not taken into account. How much is this?
Fo 2000+
3500
700
160
960 (flight pay for 80hrs)
5320 tot

New cpt
7480

Cpt 2000+
8200

Current pay based on 80 hrs

Fo 5740 plus extra pay according to finnish law
Cpt 10240

So to summarize
-25% less off days
-7% salary drop for fo
-27% salary for new cpt
-20% for experienced cpt

Their not going to sign it. Another strike is looming IMHO.