I've had a few conversations that some of the general public (including some fairly high tier card holders) actually do care ... whether that "care" survives one minute of whatever back to flying seat sale BA offer is another matter.

There's no doubt the brand is taking another hammering and that is not down to the actions of the front line staff...

Good point from Huw on the beeb this morning.

He asked WW to make any terms cuts temporary until market conditions improve and WW outright refused - making it clear that this is not about the pandemic.

Also he referenced the legacy fares for LCC wages (and service particularly in Europe these days). How sustainable will that be at legacy fares.

Depends what you mean by legacy fares...I think some feel anything more than a tenner is outrageous and if they pay more for the flight than for airport car parking they have been ripped off...

Not all BA fares are of a stratospheric,"legacy" nature, and OTOH I've certainly been stung by eye watering "legacy" style fares when travelling on a LCC....

Why should he worry, isn't he leaving in September with his £3.2 million retirement (package) plus his "Lifetime" rebate staff travel - which he removed from everyone else a few years ago ?

How long will he be around to use it? People with hearts of stone rarely feel any joy in their lives, his unlimited travel rebate will mean little to him and nor will the money. We may not have a fraction of the wealth he has but I'm willing to bet we are a lot happier than he and those like him are. There are things in life no business sense nor money can buy, he looks ill to be frank about things, his face is not that of a man I'd like to be, regardless of what my bank account would look like.

Someone’s been watching too much Disney+.

But i I will say, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a picture of WW where he’s genuinely smiling.

*cough cough* bonus payments not available to other staff who weren't even aware of them before negotiations ended...*cough

From the "worlds favourite airline" to a national disgrace. What a neat trick!

The situation in my present airline could well be described as a Disney movie yes, all characters present!

If WW uses BA in future and is sitting in the "nice seat area", it could be interesting to watch as he gets cabin service. Whoops sorry sir as gets drink spilled over him. To be honest it would be very brave of him to fly BA from now on.

Well I have flown short haul a few times out of LGW with BA and the fares were quite comparable the the Low Cost Carriers - even Long Haul BA fares dont seem to be that much out of kilter with the competition so I dont think his argument there has much meat.

isn’t that the point being made ? BA has to compete with the LCCs on price but with legacy costs ?

Interesting - it means that basically all staff at Aer Lingus are now on Zero Hours Contracts and that the contract changes are now permanent. Not sure the Unions in the UK would have gone along with that.

It may be a moot point ATM but an observation - Pre COVID BA was managing to make more than 1 Billion profit per annum despite these "legacy" costs ( which in the Cabin Crew arena were reducing anyway as the percentage of Cabin Crew on "legacy" contracts reduced).

Kind of puts a dent into the Unite and GMB argument that BA are the only airline that is taking any pain within the IAG group. I think their stance of not engaging with the company is crazy and will be seen as such in a few months time. Maybe they will start talking when I have a letter in my hand ! Unfortunately it will be a slightly harder negotiation then.

Sadly, negotiating doesn't seem to have done BALPA any good. In fact many would argue it's made things worse for pilots.

It doesn't affect BALPA at all, they will still have their jobs long after ours are gone.

https://www-rte-ie.cdn.ampproject.or...e/amp/1147229/


The previous article posted here has been reneged on by RTE who seem to have realised their error, Aer Lingus have not reached agreement at all with the unions yet. Cabin crew are to be balloted and the pilots are still engaging in negotiations via IALPA who are adamant that any changes are to be temporary.