I don’t disagree with it at all, in fact I concur it’s a major attraction to working here. But you have to understand how management view it to see the threat. Management have no interest nowadays in making this a desirable place to work. If it saves them money they’ll do it.

Quite. Management in almost all large companies don't care about you. They don't care about what you want, why you went to work for them, what's going on in your family life, anything at all regarding you - you are a cost stream and that is all. If they can optimise that cost stream by pretending to care about you, they will. The problem is that the rest of us tend to think like actual human beings rather than psychopathic monsters, so it always comes as a surprise when management do awful things. It's what they like doing and it's what they're rewarded for.

We all need to stop thinking of them as people and more as algorithms.

This post is totally spot on Anson. Like the analogy with algorithms particularly.

Which is why management ought to be trimmed even more as they will have less people in the company.

Sad news.
 

Very sad news. I hope this is the last and only one.

Sad indeed but "disciplinary process" covers a multitude of infractions. We will never know the facts but was help not in place to take him through the process?. Our company had an "Inhouse" employee counselor (funded and chosen by a joint group of unions and management who staff could utilize in private. Records of their visit were sealed and never made privy to either union or managment groups. To make sure that was the case, his office was located in a large shopping mall so no one who visited his office was in view of other company members. Records were kept on a private (note online) computer with no access outside that office. Worked well and saved quite a few.

Without wishing to discuss this specific case as you say BA the process can seemingly be triggered by almost anything, sometimes issues that can appear trivial. It's also fair to point anybody from any of the communities can get caught up in it.

The Unions usually provide support if asked (and you are a member).

Having been a union member for 40 years I am of the opinion that they too care little. Their main purpose to ensue their survival. Within BA large numbers of staff and differing Operational sections have been severed/forfeited since the '80's and little from my recollection was forthcoming at the time from Union officials. The staff reductions were instigated by Lord King and Colin Marshall, the former been revered on a number of posts as a caring man. I have the greatest affection for both but I can assure all having worked on the periphery of the Board they were always keen to get 'rid'. Mr Marshall had no time for CC, that I do remember and at that time Ernst and Young were employed to plan a move to British Midlands' scales of pay for them. Divide and Rule a management style that has been deployed for years and this is no different with everyone looking out for themselves. Pilots as always at the top happy to watch other groups cast out and no doubt suggesting that at the outset, has it ever been different? No !

You were doing well until that point.

Maybe
Not in my opinion.

I'm with Wiggy

The need to find someone to blame for one's own troubles is very familiar........... It's rather like being married!

Formerly nationalised industries have long since seen a major slimming down on contracts and working practices. The only problem is we still have managers who want to make a name for themselves and want a nice fat bonus for cutting even more. The current Covid crisis is a perfect opportunity and not one to be wasted in their eyes. In big companies like BA the cabin crew, engineers and ground-staff were always happy for the pilots to go first in the annual pay-round talks in the knowledge that they carried a lot of clout and would set the standard for those groups who followed. The rest of the time being at the top of the pile only attracts jealousy from those who are not.

@HZ123.... I wish you well but you will have to sort out your own problems.... and you only have yourself to blame if you fail. Pilots are above you on the manager's hit-list because we are more expensive but, rest assured, we are all on that list. Our industry is going down a vortex on pay & terms at all levels, all we are doing is hanging on the brakes.

Ain't that the truth..

ITV tonight...

Huw Merriman, chair of the Transport Select committee said he

How are things going with the last two airlines to go on strike in Britain?

Noel - who were they ?

I believe Noel is referring to BA and Thomas Cook. Though I'm not sure the relevance as they are very different cases. One went bust pre-covid and the other is probably the best placed British airline to survive this pandemic.

The leader of the Unite union has called British Airways' crusade to sack the workforce "corporate thuggery" in an interview earlier today.

There is definite momentum and change in public opinion against the airline... except in 10 Downing Street of course.

Cruz is clearly rattled at the tide of public opinion shifting against them and the threat of LHR slots being taken away from them (even though it’s almost certainly an empty threat). He probably oversaw the latest video doing the rounds on social media that has turned into a PR disaster with heavily negative criticism in the comments on Facebook anyway. The situation is a great watch for anyone not actively involved in the car crash that is BA and BA Public Relations right now. For sure it’ll make a great case study in years to come at Business School.

The threat of taking away LHR slots won't work, if they took away slots BA would need less employees to fly them, so it would only cause more damage, and that taking away slots might not be possible anyway.

Now that's a passive-aggressive statement if ever I heard one, and you've used it before, with opinions you don't like. Using statements like that you are promoting yourself as an unqualified arbiter, n'est pas convenable?...