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pilot hans 12th Sep 2019 10:36

Almost sounds like a joke but in fact it's not...

polskiland 12th Sep 2019 10:37


Originally Posted by EAM (Post 10567659)
On top of a 3200 basic salary, not bad, which city is that?

Eh, in every bigger western city? Plus it's gross - but hey you should apply I think Laudamotion is the perfect fit for you!

Full_blast 12th Sep 2019 10:46

CRJ_z2 post is great, so I’ll also share my info extracted from a Laudamotion pdf.

PMI (Palma de Mallorca) base, direct entry FO, A320 rated. All amounts are gross.
Year 1: 2300€
Year 2 to 4: 2700€
Year 5 to 7: 3200€
As of year 8: 3500€

Blockhour payment, numbers are gross:
1-70: 18€
71-90: 35€
from 91: 71€

Miscellaneous allowances, numbers are gross per operating day:
TRI 200€
course-trainer 134€
Office day 134€

13th and 14th salary (payable June and November)
Basic salary + 1250€

———————————————

Vacation: 35 calendar days per year

110 OFF days at homebase per year.
MAR to MAY: minimum 9 OFF days
JUN to OCT: minimum 8 OFF days
NOV to FEB minimum 10 OFF days

Roster:
Published monthly on the 21st of the prior month
Flexible roster
Mostly point to point operation




EAM 12th Sep 2019 12:28


Originally Posted by polskiland (Post 10568097)
Eh, in every bigger western city? Plus it's gross - but hey you should apply I think Laudamotion is the perfect fit for you!

Ahh, so a cab driver gets it net, that would mean he makes more than 5k net a month, fu.ck man, of course I would apply for that.

zahnpastaesser 12th Sep 2019 14:30


Originally Posted by EAM (Post 10568190)
Ahh, so a cab driver gets it net, that would mean he makes more than 5k net a month, fu.ck man, of course I would apply for that.

Are cab drivers paid by the block-hour too? And are Airline-Pilots tipped?






bulldog89 12th Sep 2019 15:10

Is the pilot paying to fuel the plane? You're all comparing apples to oranges and it's getting ridiculous to be honest.

Sky17_ 12th Sep 2019 17:29

As far I understood if you apply for PMI your salary will be taxed in AU and the social part in Spain. So considering 3800 Gross (basic group year 2 + block of 50/55hrs) and simulating all tax and social in Au, the NET will be around 2500. In Spain the social/health part should be lower compared to the AU one, so I think we can consider a net of 2700/2800 PMI 50/55 hrs (joining on the second year contract). Around 3100 if you fly 75hrs.

OutsideCAS 12th Sep 2019 18:53


Around 3100 if you fly 75hrs
Not particularly great IMHO.

Sky17_ 12th Sep 2019 19:00


Originally Posted by OutsideCAS (Post 10568470)
Not particularly great IMHO.

Absolutely not, thats the reason why theyre accepting NTR (with bond) .. is not easy to find a rated and experienced pilot to accept such conditions.

For a NTR can be a way to start with 320 without anticipating .

TinFoilhat2 12th Sep 2019 19:29

Well that is just a terrible deal, needs to be double that at a minimum!

EAM 12th Sep 2019 19:39

Well, you can fly a 777 for less. ;-)

737ng_x 13th Sep 2019 08:21

They are talking about 150 block hours required ? Is it Type (Airbus) Hours or general time ?
Thanks !

Sky17_ 13th Sep 2019 08:26


Originally Posted by 737ng_x (Post 10568833)
They are talking about 150 block hours required ? Is it Type (Airbus) Hours or general time ?
Thanks !

It's general time.

Nick 1 13th Sep 2019 09:13

They should ad a DE ...LaudaDEmotion

austrian71 13th Sep 2019 19:12

Well, its quite simple: If you get a job at your home and dont have any option you stay, even with these crap t&cs. I did it myself. If you accept to work for peanuts you have also to accept being treated like a monkey. It will never ever change, and RYR knows this. Just wait and see how they will succeed in future, they know their business and LM crews are perfect batteries for their toys. Everybody gets what he earns, this works in both sides :)

Sky17_ 14th Sep 2019 07:08


Originally Posted by austrian71 (Post 10569308)
Well, its quite simple: If you get a job at your home and dont have any option you stay, even with these crap t&cs. I did it myself. If you accept to work for peanuts you have also to accept being treated like a monkey. It will never ever change, and RYR knows this. Just wait and see how they will succeed in future, they know their business and LM crews are perfect batteries for their toys. Everybody gets what he earns, this works in both sides :)

I agree with you... If youre at home the conditions are OK, if you need to go out to earn 1000 more its the same..
What about the environment in the company? Colleagues? Average monthly hours in both PMI and VIE?

crj_z2 14th Sep 2019 15:59


Originally Posted by Sky17_ (Post 10569578)


I agree with you... If you’re at home the conditions are OK, if you need to go out to earn 1000€ more it’s the same..
What about the environment in the company? Colleagues? Average monthly hours in both PMI and VIE?

The colleagues on the line, in maintenance, etc... are usually pleasant to get along and work with.

The environment:
The company appears to grow - people are being sent to OCC and type rating courses and there are a few more deliveries due. So there are definitely opportunities. So much for the bright side. It was recently announced, that, if the flight crews @VIE would not accept a new "base agreement", 30 pilot jobs @ VIE would be cut and 4 B737s from RYR would take over some routes. As austrian71 noted, people accept certain things for preserving not only their own, but also their colleague's jobs at home - which is perfectly understandable in a way.
After the agreement was signed, not 30, but still several people were terminated by the management anyway. It appears, that "trust" may therefor not be the correct word to describe the environment at the moment.

Hours at the VIE base: Average 60/month - I am not familiar with PMI/STR/DUS rosters.

74world 14th Sep 2019 19:58

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Just for info, what would be the take home pay (NET salary) for a Captain under the new conditions for 60h?

Newcomer2 14th Sep 2019 21:02


Originally Posted by 74world (Post 10569994)
Just for info, what would be the take home pay (NET salary) for a Captain under the new conditions for 60h?

Shameful, disgraceful, etc...there are not enough words to qualify the pay.
But to answer your question, the salary in Vienna is a little bit higher than in Palma, but it's still a disgrace:

Year 1 for a Captain: 5182 basic (gross) + 60x31.15 flight pay = 7051 euros gross
After the taxes in Austria, probably around 3800 net

bairni 14th Sep 2019 21:12

translation of the collective agreement valid in VIE:

https://translate.google.com/transla...ng%3Fd%3DTouch

gross/net calculator for austria.
just fill in the gross amount you want to calculate, add 360€ as income tax free and there you go. all other options are negligible.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fonlinerechner.haud e.at%2Fbmf%2Fbrutto-netto-rechner.html

edit:

7051€ from one post above is about 4250€ net 12 times a year + extra holiday bonus in june 5500€ + extra christmas bonus 6000€ in november

so if you convert 14 payments to 12 months you'll earn 5200€/m


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