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CaptainProp 6th Sep 2019 16:08


Originally Posted by Newcomer2 (Post 10563425)
And the unions doing...nothing

Are the Laudamotion pilots in the union? If no proper representation then hard for union to do much. Either way, Austria has always had some of the worst T&Cs in Europe so not really surprised....

CP

Newcomer2 6th Sep 2019 18:32

Well, the unions in Ryanair could obviously call for a strike to prevent the company from transfering their flights to their other airlines. That has already been done elsewhere in Europe.
The problem is that the unions in Ryanair don't seem to be working together. Some strike in august, some in September,...you get my point: easy for the company to cover the strikes by sending people from other bases to cover them.
Now if all the unions in ryanair, from every country, were calling for a single common strike to stop the development of Laudamotion/Buzz/Malta air at the expense of the Ryanair employees who have better conditions, then maybe things would change a little.

UAV689 7th Sep 2019 16:31

Unfortunately it’s illegal in most countries to coordinate a strike across different territories, so the unions hands are tied in that respect

a350pilots 8th Sep 2019 10:55

Is it illegal for management to coordinate the cancelled flight?
Last time, Lauda Motion crew were the strikebreaker for Ryanair.
Disgraceful.

Sky17_ 8th Sep 2019 20:45

Good evening! Anyone joined Lauda recently ore have more info about TR with them? They’re offering PMI and VIE base.. the salary seems to be very very low..

El Capitano 9th Sep 2019 11:09


Originally Posted by Sky17_ (Post 10565113)
Good evening! Anyone joined Lauda recently ore have more info about TR with them? They’re offering PMI and VIE base.. the salary seems to be very very low..

Please, please, don,t even consider to apply! Otherwise you will keep on feeding the cancer in aviation: the downslope in terms and conditions. If no one applies, they don,t even have the pilots to replace striking pilots in other RYR subsidiaries.
Indeed, all (RYR) pilot unions should work together and organise a pan European strike, if needed lasting several days in a row. Only than you will get things moving.
look at what happens today: because almost every BA pilot is member of the SAME union, they can organize a big massive strik and almost the complete fleet is grounded. That will give big disruption for the passengers and will hit the management hard. They will have to listen!

E.C.

UAV689 9th Sep 2019 11:17


Originally Posted by Sky17_ (Post 10565113)
Good evening! Anyone joined Lauda recently ore have more info about TR with them? They’re offering PMI and VIE base.. the salary seems to be very very low..

The salary is low!! Its the low cost arm of the low cost Ryanair!! The pmi base salary takes 8 years to earn what a ryr “mainline” capt earns....

rubani17 9th Sep 2019 17:02


Originally Posted by UAV689 (Post 10565509)


The salary is low!! Its the low cost arm of the low cost Ryanair!! The pmi base salary takes 8 years to earn what a ryr “mainline” capt earns....

Crazy times we are living in.

Sky17_ 9th Sep 2019 19:42

Thanks for answering.. the attractive part is that they’re “offering” (bond) the Type rating and if you’re staying with them more than 3 year is.. let’s say “for free”!

But comparing to Ryan and other companies, the salary is very low.. 2500€/net for an experienced First Officer is really nothing.

Banana Joe 9th Sep 2019 20:35

A bond is not free.

tomuchwork 9th Sep 2019 21:52


Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi (Post 10425766)
Oh gawd. You've been at easyjet too long already. ;-)

Lol. Had the same thought while reading this thread from top to bottom. Must be fun in the COCKpit(ohh, am I sexistic now as well? ;-))

737ng_x 11th Sep 2019 10:23

Hey !

Anyone here was called for the Lauda screening ?

Thx

Sky17_ 11th Sep 2019 10:43


Originally Posted by 737ng_x (Post 10567188)
Hey !

Anyone here was called for the Lauda screening ?

Thx

Hi,

A friend of mine has been invited.. seems to be same screening as Ryanair..

TinFoilhat2 11th Sep 2019 11:55

Anybody know the terms and conditions?

crj_z2 11th Sep 2019 13:27

Terms & Conditions Overview
 
Roster:
5 early / 2 off / 5 late / 3 off. What is early and what is late is not defined, but expect "early" to be a start some time between 3am and noon and "late" a check-out between 9pm and 2am. The schedule is unstable. Typical rosters contain a lot of STBY duties. If you do not achieve 850 block hours, the company can take you out of this pattern and roster you on a flexible basis. Confirmed rosters are published on Fri for the next week and every duty is subject to change to another one of the same type (early/late) until you check in. At the moment, flight crews get 35 days vacation, which can (theoretically) be requested also on short notice on any duty day. The company prefers you to take vacation during the winter. If you reach 850hrs, you are expected to use up your annual leave thereafter.

Salary:
Entry level FO: 3.200EUR / CPT: 6.300EUR / month "guaranteed" gross (Includes 35 block hours).
If you fly more, you will receive additional scheduled block hour pay - up to 70hrs that is 18EUR/h for FOs and 31EUR/h for CPTs gross, thereafter the block hour rate increases. If you are not a training captain, expect about 60hrs/month.

Pilots, that come with experience on aircraft with a MTOW above 19.5T can join on a higher salary level. Each 1.000hrs on such aircraft types count as 1 year. The complete pay scale can be found in the original CLA under paragraph 7. The guaranteed monthly gross salary is listed under 7.5, the block hour pay under 7.2. Google "Kollektivvertrag Laudamotion" to find it.

Contract:
Training contract with training pay (Level 1 without block hour pay or daily allowances, if off-base) until the final line check, thereafter you get assigned to a base and receive the permanent contract. The training base is typically VIE.

Overall the morale in the company is low. Recently there have been quite a few terminations of senior / long-term staff.

TinFoilhat2 11th Sep 2019 14:23

Sounds like a great place to work....said nobody ever!!

polskiland 11th Sep 2019 16:06

18 euro/h? Cabby driver makes even more!

EAM 11th Sep 2019 19:51


Originally Posted by polskiland (Post 10567447)
18 euro/h? Cabby driver makes even more!

On top of a 3200€ basic salary, not bad, which city is that?

CaptainProp 11th Sep 2019 20:02


Originally Posted by crj_z2 (Post 10567324)
Roster:
5 early / 2 off / 5 late / 3 off. What is early and what is late is not defined, but expect "early" to be a start some time between 3am and noon and "late" a check-out between 9pm and 2am. The schedule is unstable. Typical rosters contain a lot of STBY duties. If you do not achieve 850 block hours, the company can take you out of this pattern and roster you on a flexible basis. Confirmed rosters are published on Fri for the next week and every duty is subject to change to another one of the same type (early/late) until you check in. At the moment, flight crews get 35 days vacation, which can (theoretically) be requested also on short notice on any duty day. The company prefers you to take vacation during the winter. If you reach 850hrs, you are expected to use up your annual leave thereafter.

Salary:
Entry level FO: 3.200EUR / CPT: 6.300EUR / month "guaranteed" gross (Includes 35 block hours).
If you fly more, you will receive additional scheduled block hour pay - up to 70hrs that is 18EUR/h for FOs and 31EUR/h for CPTs gross, thereafter the block hour rate increases. If you are not a training captain, expect about 60hrs/month.

Pilots, that come with experience on aircraft with a MTOW above 19.5T can join on a higher salary level. Each 1.000hrs on such aircraft types count as 1 year. The complete pay scale can be found in the original CLA under paragraph 7. The guaranteed monthly gross salary is listed under 7.5, the block hour pay under 7.2. Google "Kollektivvertrag Laudamotion" to find it.

Contract:
Training contract with training pay (Level 1 without block hour pay or daily allowances, if off-base) until the final line check, thereafter you get assigned to a base and receive the permanent contract. The training base is typically VIE.

Overall the morale in the company is low. Recently there have been quite a few terminations of senior / long-term staff.

As I said before........and still they never run out of applications......unbelievable.....

CP

PositiveGhostrider 12th Sep 2019 08:45


Originally Posted by EAM (Post 10567659)
On top of a 3200€ basic salary, not bad, which city is that?

Gross, mind you, so I'd assume no more than 50% of it is take-home pay


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