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180Knots 13th Mar 2019 11:45

Laudamotion
 
Morning lads.
T&C about this airline ?

sekmeth 13th Mar 2019 11:50

Go to Career.aero, you can find it in the download section after your application.
good luck!

bairni 14th Mar 2019 12:50

the CBA (for Austria) can be found here:

https://www.kollektivvertrag.at/kv/l...rm=laudamotion

(use google translator as appropriate)

eiffel 15th Mar 2019 13:43

Is German a prerequisite? Are they recruiting?

Jabulani 20th Mar 2019 09:28

Yes they do, only type rated and only for Vienna

eiffel 20th Mar 2019 10:11

Latest info from HR yesterday: they are not recuiting at the moment.

VJW 20th Mar 2019 14:17


Originally Posted by 180Knots (Post 10416526)
Morning lads.

Is everyone on prune male?

180Knots 20th Mar 2019 20:02


Originally Posted by eiffel (Post 10424749)
Is everyone on prune male?

I hope no! Was I "unpolite" !?!?


Originally Posted by VJW (Post 10424509)
Latest info from HR yesterday: they are not recuiting at the moment.

Any level ( NTR , TR ,CPT) ?

VJW 20th Mar 2019 23:54


Originally Posted by 180Knots (Post 10425036)
I hope no! Was I "unpolite" !?!?

I now assume English isn’t your first language so you can be forgiven. For information though, the term ‘lads’ is an informal way of referring to a group of men.

A320baby 21st Mar 2019 09:03

Vjw come on lighten up

VJW 21st Mar 2019 11:57


Originally Posted by A320baby (Post 10425481)
Vjw come on lighten up

As I said, it appears it was unintentional, however I don't have to lighten up if I feel someone is being sexist..

Jabulani 22nd Mar 2019 09:54


Originally Posted by eiffel (Post 10424509)
Latest info from HR yesterday: they are not recuiting at the moment.

Seems that they have different knowledge levels in their HR department concerning hiring or not, I have received an email today saying: hiring A320 rated pilots only but not in Germany....


CaptainProp 25th Mar 2019 07:28

Recruitment emails and ads doesn’t necessarily mean a company is currently hiring.
CP

ciccinovolante 31st Aug 2019 11:31

Lauda motion
 
Hi guys. I’m pretty new on the community since I’m working for a company which has not to me mentioned in this pilots forum. I’m currently looking to relocate back to Europe and, being an A320 Captain, I checked which are the options around the Old continent. Any of you can share fresh news about Lauda motion? Is it a good company? Is it worth to work for it? How is the assessment process? Any info will be much appreciated, thanks to all.

ciccinovolante 31st Aug 2019 11:40

Hi guys. Anyone in the community has fresh info regarding working conditions: roster, payroll, environment? Any update will be much appreciated

UAV689 31st Aug 2019 21:36

Job advert for pmi stated 95k euro for capt, that was based on 900hrs a yr, 5/3 5/2 roster. Sounds awful and clearly lauda and buzz are going to be the threat to existing crews to accept even worse terms

Newcomer2 31st Aug 2019 22:02

For Capt. 75h per month expect 98000 euros per year in Palma and 10700 in Vienna, gross.
Expect half of it after taxes (they have to be paid in Austria either way) so between 4100 and 4500 per month

randon 31st Aug 2019 22:29


Originally Posted by UAV689 (Post 10558893)
Job advert for pmi stated 95k euro for capt, that was based on 900hrs a yr, 5/3 5/2 roster. Sounds awful and clearly lauda and buzz are going to be the threat to existing crews to accept even worse terms

Ouch.. Conditions are downhill in Europe...

ciccinovolante 1st Sep 2019 07:05

Hi Newcomer2. Do you know how much is the taxation in Austria? It seems to be a super low salary for 75h....I thougth was allined with Ryanair payroll

Newcomer2 1st Sep 2019 10:34


Originally Posted by ciccinovolante (Post 10559049)
Hi Newcomer2. Do you know how much is the taxation in Austria? It seems to be a super low salary for 75h....I thougth was allined with Ryanair payroll

Taxation in Austria is really high, about 50% of your gross salary. There are online tax calculators as well, they give the same figures.
You can also compare the gross salaries and you will see that the conditions are definitely not the same: the total package for a ryanair captain in Spain is around 154000 euros per year, in Lauda based in Palma (same country!) it's 98000, so 37% less.

There's a reason why ryanair is stopping the recruitment and closing bases, it's a management tactic to transfer the flights to their other airlines where the conditions are worse. Capitalism at its best...

Daddy Fantastic 1st Sep 2019 13:11

Just For You VJW!!
 

Originally Posted by VJW (Post 10425658)
As I said, it appears it was unintentional, however I don't have to lighten up if I feel someone is being sexist..

As an airplane is about to crash, a female passenger jumps up frantically and announces, "If I'm going to die, I want to die feeling like a woman." She removes all her clothing and asks, "Is there someone on this plane who is man enough to make me feel like a woman?" A man stands up, removes his shirt and says, "Here, iron this!".

Daddy Fantastic 1st Sep 2019 13:12

Also for VJW
 

Originally Posted by VJW (Post 10425658)
As I said, it appears it was unintentional, however I don't have to lighten up if I feel someone is being sexist..

A man is lying on the beach, wearing nothing but a cap over his crotch. A woman passing by remarks, "If you were any sort of a gentleman, you would lift your hat to a lady." He replies, "If you were any sort of a sexy lady, the hat would lift by itself."

gearlever 1st Sep 2019 14:12

Austro Control investigations (German)

Newcomer2 1st Sep 2019 15:09

Sorry I don't speak German, but using google translate I understand that 4 pilots were fired because they made some ASRs, and that the airline is now under investigation, is that correct?

gearlever 1st Sep 2019 15:26

Austro Control examines error culture at Laudamotion

The four pilots were former Head of Flight Operations, Head of Training Departement, Vice Head of Training Departement and Chief Technical Pilot.

sonicbum 1st Sep 2019 15:51


Originally Posted by gearlever (Post 10559315)
Austro Control examines error culture at Laudamotion

The four pilots were former Head of Flight Operations, Head of Training Departement, Vice Head of Training Departement and Chief Technical Pilot.

The apple does not fall too far from the tree I guess.

BoeingLudo737 2nd Sep 2019 07:54


Originally Posted by sonicbum (Post 10559329)
The apple does not fall too far from the tree I guess.

Give it up, you are ridiculous

El Capitano 2nd Sep 2019 15:15

Application ban on Lauda motion, buzz and Ryanair Sun
 

Originally Posted by BoeingLudo737 (Post 10559771)
Give it up, you are ridiculous

Everyone is free to apply for the airline he/she would like to fly for, but please stop applying at Lauda Motion, buzz and Ryanair Sun and even Ryanair main airline.
Don,t accept their crappy conditions, even much worser than Ryanair itself. Again a evasive tactic from O leary and his scum management: closing bases where the unions did fight for market conform conditions and instead serving these bases with their freshly launched new airlines, Lauda Motion, Buzz, Air Malta and Ryanair Sun with much lower salaries. No pilot or cabin crew should accept these insult terms and conditiins, by simply not applying at all.
And again it is made clear that all pilot and cabin crew union
from each individual (European) state should merge together and make one big common protest at EU commision level to stop these slavery conditions. It is high time that the low fare race to the bottom is being stopped!!
It is a fact that in the USA the conditions are much better, thanks to a very strong union who continues fighting hard for the conditions their union members deserve!

gearlever 2nd Sep 2019 17:05

El Capitano,

well said, I fully agree.
Sad the EU Commission cares about the shape of bananas but concerning working conditions in aviation they seem like a toothless tiger to me.

bulldog89 2nd Sep 2019 17:37

I agree.
The fact the EU is permitting this is just ridiculous.

RoyHudd 2nd Sep 2019 22:41

EU? No thank you

Aso 3rd Sep 2019 09:57


Originally Posted by gearlever (Post 10560202)
El Capitano,

well said, I fully agree.
Sad the EU Commission cares about the shape of bananas but concerning working conditions in aviation they seem like a toothless tiger to me.

Sorry get your facts straight: the banana stories and similar non sense we got thanks to Boris the liar https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...s-followed-his

Social dumping is very high on the social agenda at both the EC and EASA thanks to Ryanair.... Only issue it takes time to ensure that all parties that negotiate (read unions, employers, states, etc) have agreed on a text that suits most.

So stop reading the Daily Mail and maybe ask your union what they are doing on this issue and ask what you can do!

TinFoilhat 3rd Sep 2019 10:21

Well of course you can join, get a type rating and some experience and just move on. Maybe thats what they want. Seems a silly way to run an airline to me but once a pilot has enough jet time they will just move on for better paying jobs.

These rubbish paying LCC operators will be in a state of perpetual hiring which seems crazy.

CaptainProp 3rd Sep 2019 19:10


Originally Posted by TinFoilhat (Post 10560724)
Well of course you can join, get a type rating and some experience and just move on. Maybe thats what they want. Seems a silly way to run an airline to me but once a pilot has enough jet time they will just move on for better paying jobs.

These rubbish paying LCC operators will be in a state of perpetual hiring which seems crazy.

Cheaper than having to pay for loyalty of people staying too long with the company. Sad but that’s the way that calculation goes.

CP

tcas69 5th Sep 2019 16:13


Originally Posted by Newcomer2 (Post 10559180)


Taxation in Austria is really high, about 50% of your gross salary. There are online tax calculators as well, they give the same figures.
You can also compare the gross salaries and you will see that the conditions are definitely not the same: the total package for a ryanair captain in Spain is around 154000 euros per year, in Lauda based in Palma (same country!) it's 98000, so 37% less.

There's a reason why ryanair is stopping the recruitment and closing bases, it's a management tactic to transfer the flights to their other airlines where the conditions are worse. Capitalism at its best...

I suggest you do not apply to this company!!!!
having said that there are many special tricks in Austria which bring the taxrate down!
Evrybody gets 14 monthly salaries (13/14 in June/November) Urlaubsgeld/Christmasbonus taxed at 6! Percent that’s law!
6 weeks of annual payed leave( 42 days) that’s law!
basically gets U down to max 42% tax. Tricky to compare with other countries.
and I repeat in spite of this correction : do not apply for this company

Newcomer2 5th Sep 2019 21:00

Tcas69,
the figures I gave are gross per year and already include the 13th and 14th month. Whether you divide 98000 euros gross by 12 or by 14, it's still 98000 euros gross per year for a captain, whatever that makes net in your pocket

Council Van 6th Sep 2019 07:22


Originally Posted by Aso (Post 10560707)
Sorry get your facts straight: the banana stories and similar non sense we got thanks to Boris the liar https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...s-followed-his

Social dumping is very high on the social agenda at both the EC and EASA thanks to Ryanair.... Only issue it takes time to ensure that all parties that negotiate (read unions, employers, states, etc) have agreed on a text that suits most.

So stop reading the Daily Mail and maybe ask your union what they are doing on this issue and ask what you can do!

So whilst you are busy lecturing every one about what they read you then point us in the direction of some equally agenda driven drivel whilst ignoring that EC Commission Regulation No 2257/94 did used to exist and included regulations about the size and shape of Banana's and Cucumbers. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ped-by-EU.html
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UAV689 6th Sep 2019 09:14

Rapidly apparent that lauds and sun are to be the lower cost arm of the lowest cost arm in Europe...

its a a massive rinse and repeat job, with some ex architects of ryr parachuted into lauda, even
offering jobs to cadets that applied to ryr now switched to lauda and Christ knows what terms..

whilst at at the same time closing Spanish bases and replacing them with lauda or sun crews.


CaptainProp 6th Sep 2019 10:54

......and still they never run out of applications......unbelievable.....

CP

Newcomer2 6th Sep 2019 13:52

And the unions doing...nothing


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