This might have something to do with the fact that the malaga base is not up and running yet.

matt283

But why?

Because SAIL is not getting enough crew? A lot of companies hiring and I don’t think it’s that easy to find crew on those T&Cs.

CP

MD80rookie: Malaga base is supposed to open from June.

Are you assuming that upgrade in Ryanair and upgrade in mainline SAS to be the same time wise? LOL play with the actual numbers, 3 years Fo in Ryan than LH seat and 15 years in SAS(with SAIL it may never happen) on the right before moving to the left, I don't have time to count but you will make at least 1 mil Euros more in Ryan if you start at a young age! Sure you will save some bucks on the free coffee. I used to work for another LCC pink outfit before moving back home to Scandinavia and Charter. Now I have free, meal, coffee, snacks, good salary, good colleagues and 15 years to upgrade. Is it worth it? Let me say it like this, if Easyjet opened a base in Scandinavia I would be the first to knock on their door, not because I do not like my job but this is still a job, If I can make 1 million Euros more for my retirement I would do it. Coffee snack all this crap is not important, base, salary and time spent at home is. Also another important thing, yes I flew 900h per year but I had only 1200h in duty time per year, only 10-13 days of actual work per month and even on workdays I was at home in my own bed every night. In LCC everything is optimised, 30min turnarounds, no hotels, pickups, deadhead and other bull**** that you get in SAS. In SAS you fly 800h per year but work 20 days a month!(almost) Who is more overworked? LCC or SAS? SAS is only good for old guys sitting on A330 and making 10 grand as FOs, for new joiners it utter crap! I know that there are worse outfits in Scandiland but its still shame.........

SAIL has now 6 a/c and plan to have 9 in total.

I have a feeling they will not struggle to get crew for such a small amount of a/c, considering that many drivers will be willing to take pay cut to be based in LHR or AGP with permanent roster pattern.

Clicking through the various threads this morning reading updates an ad popped up from Small Planet offering €12.200 -15.500 “net” for “training instructors”. You know things are desperate when even the low ballers are starting to raise the bets like this.

CP

Once again this unexpected salary in small planet is not what it is claimed to be.
Indeed this is a floating base not in Europe but world wide. It means that they will send guys where no body wants to go such as Bhutan, Saudi Arabia, India, Combodia etc... In winter time do not expect the 20/10 pattern and most probably more likely 6 months in those countries...

If you want a fair comparaison ask Small Planet their salaries details for a fix base.... Then you will realize that SAIL is not that bad...

”Is” seems to change,..
 

Initially the AGP base was supposed to open in the end of March... So I still think the original question is interesting..?

It was a general statement about pay being offered from my side, not about necessarily comparing them in detail. If they didn’t have to they would’ve never offered these salaries.

CP

Lolo, I think you may had missed CP's point. He's saying that low-ballers raising the stakes is a sign of trade-winds changing. I agree.

Makes no difference the SPA sheet is just hype (you were probably too exhausted to add "it's GROSS" to your list). It's about what made them create one.

And SAIL feels the same pressure (email about 2 hrs ago):

Let's call the above 6000 EUR for 5/4/5/13. If we think about it from a scheduler's perspective, observing the EASA mandatory no-duty days, with a bit of Excel magic: that's exactly 50% part-time.

1. SPA obviously did their research (mostly imitating without understanding is what they do), and shot an advertisement of 10.000 EUR on 20/10 for 85 hrs - to catch the beholder's eye.
2. SAIL admits being ready to spend 12000 EUR for 1x full-time LHR based pilot.

After Emirates no longer attractive? After MON and AIB gone? I wish what I see is true.

Let's hope all the methods of squeezing out money from the new cadets and line-training schemes are already exhausted, and our young future colleagues will not be made to pay for the above.

Well that's a good sign here indeed... But we are still very far away from what we see in Asian, American or MEA airlines.

Yep. Add China on exactly double the SAIL cash for 3:3 rotation. Multiple employers.

But keeping the thread on SAIL: is it me or could that 5/3/5/13 for 6000 EUR create some good resonance with Wizzair westerners Captains?

Raski

Where are pilots leaving, EZ? Primera with base in BHX/STN?

Thomas cook Balearics, Thomas Cook, British Airways, EasyJet, and more.....

For info:
Rumor has it RYR is getting 1400 new pilots in 2018.
Correct, 1400.

Happy Recruiting
Happy terms+Conditions

Sorry Raski!
I am thinking of the big picture! For everyone,
How can I put this,,,,?
With Norwegians future secured by the little Irishman , the European market has gotten a lot better the last week.
Pilots voting in RYR. With their feet, Fast . For good reasons!!!

Best of luck to those who are heading for greener grass!

Yes.

According to a pilot that flies for SAIL, 15 out of 58 pilots are leaving or has already left. 25% of contracted staff leaving as soon as something else turns up?!

Will you be able to start the base in Malaga?

recruitment
 

SAIL are chronically short.
Malaga probably opening, at least until the last person leaves!! 😤

Latest news from the rumor mill.
2+3 SAIL ac parked in HAM due to lack of crew.
Predict it will be shut down late this year and mainline pilots blamed for the huge loss.

ATIS,

Better term at SAIL defies the purpose of their existence.
SAS pilots not working on days off over the summer will create havoc and this at the same time as most of the subcontracted airlines can´t deliver.

What about the rumours a "lot of pilots" leaving LHR base for EZY etc? As far as i know there haven't been any issues with crewing at all so far in LHR. All aircrafts seems to be doing 5-7 legs each daily without any problem.
Is the "crewing problem" just hopes from people out there, or is it coming for real?
A friend working in DK for SAS told me management there describe it as a big success so far, not really what it seems like if you read here.. What's the truth?

I have however heard there is a lot of applications in our ("another big A320 operator") database from SAIL pilots..

Facts anyone?
 

Hi
As previously stated I was shocked when SAS chose to do this SAIL thing. Mainly for moral reasons, but also for practical and economical reasons!!
It make no sense!
But first a few questions!
Is SAS mainline recruiting in Scandinavia? I know for a fact that 10 pilots has quit to go to Norwegian to get a base they can live with. This has NEVER happened in the Braathen days or recently AFTER SAS offered the ca 400 layoffs to come back as per the Contract.
What is the demand for pilots in SAS , say the next 5 years, considering the enormous ( relative ) retirement in progress.?
It would be nice if any insiders would enlighten us on this, as I have encouraged may FOs to go to SAS as opposed to NOR.

Now for my Rant:
Does anyone with a sound mind and half a degree in trade think it is a good idea to set up shop on Liberia Island , NOW in this environment!
That is , lack of pilots AND RYR being Unionized , and the EU local Tax enforcers FINALLY reading the Job Description they signed!!!
I claim it is the Sweds , our good old fiend, eeerr Friend! The day of a proud nation and Janne Carlson is long gone.
Now it is more like Pippi:" I have never done this before, lets give it a shot, I bet I am good at it"
She often was, but then again she had a chest of Gould in the basement !
End Rant.
Regards
Cpt B

Not delivered?
 

172 and toffy
 

Thanks for the info.
We all know what this is all about, namely pimping the bride for Lufthansa.
If IAG and the Little Irishman gets hold of Norwegian, SAS has a potential problem , depending how Norwegian is quartered and hung!
I would not want to even start speculating how BA and IAG will use NOR in the Scandinavian market, but SAS will not be stronger!
So it is all about the Sweedish " Blåruss" in Your management trying to get the unit cost down!
Fair enough , but it is dammed hard to run an airline without pilot as RYR Lufttransport and the American Commuters recently has found out.
I just watched the pathetic video of the WestJet CEO crying for mercy to avoid a strike.( On the Canada thread). And he had a point that us FlyBoys tend to forget, namely that the whole company get payed better whenever we get better pay! The Engineers deserves good pay, but the rest NOT.
Pilots tend to think the cabin crew also should get a great pay. I think they should be payed according to education and experience!

Regardless
I have crew that are reluctant to even apply never mind start in SAIL on a Spanish base, and most of you have guessed who I am taking orders from.
SAIL will FAIL!
Lets hope some dumb heads in Stockholm will role and You get a Dane or a Norwegian for Boss!
Lastely.
How long is Your OCC course , 6 weeks until linetraining starts or 4 maybe. Time to hire NOW if the summer is going to be saved!
Hang in there Boys, and support the LOCO pilots fight , we are her to stay! And we fly with the Cadets so You dont have to, . Single pilot OPS at times!
Ha ein god dag.
Cpt B

It seems like package that SAIL offers is completely outdated. Maybe 5years ago they would manage to find some skippers with those conditions on offer.

The main question is if cae realised already that they need to increase significantly the offer to attract any skippers and keep operation going??

I would really like to hear abut that from a insider ;)

Also you don’t get paid for sick.

Also so if you work less than 15 duties per month you lose all of your £1,0000 Flight pay!!