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SAS Ireland still flying and doesn't even look like they cancel flights due to lack of pilots.
I wonder if there are any improvements on the contracts or still nothing? |
SAS Ireland still flying and doesn't even look like they cancel flights due to lack of pilots. |
I based my comment on looking at SAS Ireland 6 a/c on flight radar today and all of them seems to fly.
ei-sia, ei-sib and ei-sie did first wave departures from agp. |
Says little about the overall crewing situation though. I believe there are a couple of Neos without engines parked up in Hamburg destined for SAIL. Possibly the engine issues cover up the crewing issues. Who knows. SAS hasn't managed the crew shortage very well. And the public speech in Sweden that is what due to crew calling sick en mass was ridiculous and no less manipulative than O'Learys weak attempt at covering up their crewing issue last year. |
I heard crew based in spain for sas ireland is on the temporary english contract and paying taxes in ireland :eek:
Anybody able to confirm that? |
New contracts out. Pension increased to 5%. (Have to, by UK law. But there is a maximum amount you can save) £1000/£1500 yearly allowance towards the cost of LOL. FO/CPT No increase in pay. And in return they can adjust to a random roster in order to crew the flights. And this is supposed to solve their crewing crisis. Stick that up your a** |
Originally Posted by Raski
(Post 10194066)
not suprised at all.
TCs remain the same, crap, and this is why pilots are leaving. Only youngsters remain, or skippers willing for part time. SAIL will not go far. I assume the last 3 aircrafts will be sent directly to Scandiland. I think this experiment was a failure like the previous ones attempted by SAS mainline. Today I see all aircrafts are flying.. Are more people about to leave? |
Originally Posted by Perser_dk
(Post 10194172)
When will they be delivered? Is the crew situation really that bad, what about recruitment?
Today I see all aircrafts are flying.. Are more people about to leave? |
Not quite true. Large age range in both seats, with a very high Union membership. BALPA, IPA and SELPA. Probably about 90% are refusing to work days off until there's a drastic improvement. So many are refusing easy money now in the hope of more rewards later. CAE are a bunch of misers, and probably don't want to fork out money for a CCQ onto A320 |
Recruitment
It’s an impressive amount of recruitment ads and mails they have had for the positions in SAIL, not to mention all the screening days...
And for what, 40 positions? Wonder what all that have cost... |
From CAE Parc Aviation Facebook:
"Great day at CAE London Gatwick! Thank you to all our fantastic candidates who attended, and the very helpful CAE staff. Next week we are in Manchester! SAS Ireland our partner airline continue to grow and develop their London Heathrow base! This is a perfect opportunity for Airbus Fleet Captains and A320 First Officers to enjoy a stable roster and be in command of the newest fleet of A320neo aircraft." Continue to grow? Develop their LHR base? Stable Roster? I have checked SAIL traffic regularity in our (SAS) system - it's quite an impressing amount of flights cancelled due to lack of flight deck crew, or delayed flight due to flight deck crew shortage. |
I heard the next A320 "EI-SIG" just did another "test flight" today and is planned to operate from Thursday this week.
Must have been some new crew joining? |
Originally Posted by Perser_dk
(Post 10203996)
I heard the next A320 "EI-SIG" just did another "test flight" today and is planned to operate from Thursday this week.
Must have been some new crew joining? I heard about cancellations due to lack of both flight crew and cabin crew due to very bad t&c... |
Very high turnover of staff is always indicator of very bad t&c.
I think SAIL were very lucky to start the operation after Monarch bankruptcy. However now with base in Malaga I don't see anybody who would be interested to work for them. Only option would be very low hours guys straight after flight school, but they ask for min 500h on a320, so it doesn't work for them neither... The main question is how much longer they will try to keep it working? Another thing is why they don't even try to raise the t&c? |
Originally Posted by matt283
(Post 10204085)
Another thing is why they don't even try to raise the t&c?
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I think we all realized quite quickly what the real intent of SAIL was. The unions have stood helpless watching this unfold with little they could, legally, do. One wonders if the current panic recruitment to mainline is a result of failed recruitment to SAIL. I read in the news today, for what it's worth, that 80 % of the SK-cancellations are due to the inability of SAIL and CityJet to deliver and mainline has stepped in to cover up.
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OK, so is it very likely that SAS after the summer season will absorb SAIL a/c and close this experiment??
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No
No. SAS Will never admit anything wrong here. They will continue with the project and eventually get the crew needed. But the company will bleed for a while. |
Meanwhile Norwegian have applied for a Swedish AOC which they expect to be granted by the fall, application to the US authorities may take a little longer. Given the companies stated objective to streamline and harmonise AOC’s there is much speculation that the Swedish authorities will allow cross AOC flying by pilots from NAS/NAN/NUK the IAA are not so keen apparently. maybe the grass is not so green in Ireland and after all |
Cherry Picking AOCs , nice one.
I do think this Industry has gone bonkers mad. In Europe , that is supposed to be the same! Or are they hunting for The Competent Authority and finding none,,,,,,,, |
All bases going dot SE register within a year. Watch this space..
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Originally Posted by directmisbi
(Post 10205503)
All bases going dot SE register within a year. Watch this space..
Anyone in the company that can confirm there is new pilots starting, where do they come from? According to FR24 both yesterday and today all planes seems to be operating according to plan (4-6 legs each). Strange when last weeks been a disaster, then things hit media and suddenly there is enough pilots? Is the agreement for bought days off changed? |
Originally Posted by Whisperfail
(Post 10204578)
No. SAS Will never admit anything wrong here. They will continue with the project and eventually get the crew needed. But the company will bleed for a while. SAS's biggest worry right now seems to be CityJet, who are allegedly the main reason for mainline SAS pilots working serious overtime. And here's the thing I don't get: First they outsource your jobs to bottom feeders (employment condition wise), and when they can't crew their contracted flights it falls back to you to cover, and you accept it. See, right there is where my sympathy for their loss of jobs takes a rather dominant nosedive. |
How many pilots have left SAS Ireland since the start and how many have started? I am looking for net numbers, a rough estimate. Hugh internal debate in SAS right now. They are slowly starting to admit that airplanes actually need pilots to fly them..
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Seems like they found a skipper to fly EI-SIG, can't say the same about EI-SIB today...
This morning ARN-LHR on EI-SIG already cancelled as well:uhoh: |
The staffing situation in SAS Ireland (SAIL) is apparently at a critical level... With another aircraft arrived, panic has spread...
SAS Scandinavia's pilots have been asked to help out by working on days off. And management is admitting that recruitment for SAIL is where the problem is - like everyone predicted. |
I think the issue is the terms and package need to be improved. People are joining and then leaving. |
Lolo
Now that question is easy to answer: Unions with no clue! Regards Cpt B NF IFALPA member |
Originally Posted by Lolo75020
(Post 10214214)
Everybody knows the issue
They prefer cancel flights and asks the guys to work eventually on days off, promise them better roster, part time, good work environment, every thing that's is actually free instead of moving the cue of real salaries for every body. It seems to be like that in all other companies that pay shamely. (eurowings, Austrian, primera, small planet, smartlynx, travel service, vueling, etc) The question is that why almost everywhere in the world salaries are higher and not in Europe. Europe 5000€ gross vs China 25000€ net.... |
Originally Posted by Lolo75020
(Post 10214214)
Europe 5000€ gross vs China 25000€ net....
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Originally Posted by APU_inop
(Post 10214540)
25k eur net? :sad:
CP |
I thought agreement was to put 9 a/c for SAS Ireland and now seems like they have 7 active a/c and waiting for delivery of 3 more.
Did something change...? |
Well, judging by the staffing situation at the Malaga "base" it's very unlikely that a total of 10 airframes will be int traffic anytime soon.
Last night they made a crew change in CPH to operate CPH-AGP. Why would you do that? because you need to transfer people to AGP from LHR where the few that still are left is based. This particular flight was 2 hours delayed "awaiting crew from another flight". Soon, SAS will have to wetlease to cover the wetlease gone wrong... |
SAS cancelled 500 flights in July and are buying days off to the tune of 2600e a day.
Time to dump the numnuts in management? |
I’m surprised they have even been able to crew 7 aircraft!! Goes to show how many numbnut colleagues we have out there who are willing to accept T&Cs on offer. CP |
According to CEO of SAIL the last two aircraft won’t be seen before end of the year. They can’t crew them!! |
Super experienced Cpts , no doubt!
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Offering freelance contracts now as well. About 60% of daily rate when compared to standard freelance rates. CP |
I wonder if parc finally created Spanish contract of employment or pilots are still employed under uk intention of employment contract...?
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