How many DTC's do you think have been sent out?
I was hazarding a guess at around 500..?

Just a thought........
 

How many DTCs would be interested in the contract above? Personally, with my limited experience in the airline industry listed below, I would struggle to justify to my wife (and myself) at the age of 40 and with 3 children why I was taking a MASSIVE pay cut to satisfy my dreams of being an airline pilot when I am already in a well paid flying job.

I think the contract report above is well balanced and is justly reported speculation. Lets wait and see.

Now here's some speculation:
Emails to all DTCs in 2 weeks
Interviews in Jul/Aug
Grumpy posts saying "I messed it up" in Sep

Ultimately the contracts should be befitting of the individuals attending the interviews.........I hope. If not, say no, I will!

3500TT
Ex-Mil
2500 Fast Jet
Still flying FJs

Just to clarify, the contract above is what the low hour pilots would be on. There is no suggestion that this is the proposed direct entry contract. I would think that dep would skip step 1 and 2 at least.

Some info from the inside would be very helpful

EcamS, I agree with you. I think that's what will be on offer for those who make it through.

For those DE candidates it will be the NEC already mentioned in this thread.
The only real question is how the TR will be funded. From the BALPA article it appears it may be through some EJ guaranteed loan

As an easyJet employe, I would expect you guys to join sataight as an SFO if you have 2500 factored hours. If they do not offer you that I personally wouldn't take it.

Why? They have little or no Airbus experience at all. I've seen plenty of new people on the Airbus with 1000s of hours previous flying experience make a dreadful balls up of things. Your career is a marathon not a sprint.

No I think you failed to verbally reason my post.

First off experience does bring something. It can bring good decision making - not necessarily good flying.

Secondly regardless of your hours you aren't that valuable.

Thirdly I said you shouldn't come in as an SFO - just as an FO - which is probably what will happen. Don't apply to a company with a large part of their fleet at LGW if you don't like LGW. Don't apply to a company where probably over 90% of the training takes place in the UK if you don't like the UK. Don't apply to a company that already has Flexi broadly on display and offer if you don't like it.

If you don't like that then don't come, no one will feel any loss apart from you.

Fourthly, if you're going to come here trying to be a right hand seat captain you'll get a terrible reputation and risk never being promoted. That's some friendly advice.

Finally, previous Boeing captains that converted to the airbus HAVE had problems but flew with experienced FOs. They were owed the position because of their previous position and it being the company's choice to change type.

Personally I don't care where the pilot comes from. I was lucky enough to get my chance through the CTC scheme - I feel zero allegiance to them - it's in the past - you make your own way. I believe easyJet want a mouldable blank canvas not preconceived perceptions.

I have no fear, you won't come in, in front of me.

I was actually trying to give you some friendly advice - if you feel this way now you will hate easyJet with a passion, I promise you. So manage your own expectations, be realistic and know you'll be a number.

That's the end of my debate on this - it's my opinion not the companies so don't worry.

The NEC has both time in the company and minimum hours as requirements, so expect to join on the NEC.

According FLT OPS newsletter 1500 made it to the second stage.

For the majority of established airlines, pilots join at the bottom of the seniority list on the bottom payscale no matter what your previous experience or position (unless you're in as the CP or have some particularly needed expertise). That's the way it works and that's the way I would expect it to work here; you cannot expect to jump those junior pilots who have been here a while. In a previous airline that's what happened to me; I left a company as a captain and joined the one I wanted as an F/O. Expectations are different I think because some of us were lucky to join easy when there was a significant lack of pilots with the available experience to be promoted to command and we joined as direct entry captains. Now things are different and although easy wants a more balanced and experienced work force we are not that desperate for commanders. Our F/O's are building their hours and will be ready for command when their time comes.

I echo the sentiments of a few colleagues about the attitude of some posters here. If you join with these views you will not get on well in easy.

I concur with SpGo expect to join on the NEC.

I think there's some confusion about what is now on offer to cadet entrants and DE pilots. The cadets will get the deal as seen with BALPA. DE applicant will get the NEC which means if you have over 2500 factored hours you will start as SFO. As for hours on type vs over overall aviation experience, it's subjective but, in my experience the standard of training has the biggest impact. That affects an individuals ability to handle an aircraft and how to process information. Also, those who have passed a training syllabus which has a pass/fail ethos rather than a "keep trying/keep paying" one will produce a higher percentage of desirable pilots.
So 1500 pilots in the mix, which two of you do I need to beat for a job? Haha

Direct entry sfo would be the best outcome but I expect there will be an element of easyjet length of service before taking the step to sfo. While there is no seniority list to govern these things I suppose the rules ahould apply equally to all? Hopefully now the NEC has been agreed we will finally get the details of what we are interviewing for.

1500 interviews seems like a lot and that percentage isn't reflected in those that I knew who applied. Maybe 10-15% got the DTC.

Are you right Guy? The NEC I've seen reads 'on completion of 24 months as an employed FO and achieving a total of 2501 easyjet factored block hours the FO will be promoted to SFO'.

So if it's the NEC that DEP's expect then they will be employed as a SO and after 12 months and 1251 hours they will become a FO and after 24 months and 2501 hours a SFO.

Of course there may be a different offer on the table that I'm not aware of.

The fact that we are applying as DIRECT ENTRY first officer would suggest to me that the flexi and second officer stage of the NEC will be bypassed, otherwise they would have just recruited through the same channels as the current cadet scheme.

I maybe wrong on the SFO front (time served in the co may be a requirement) but DE guys will definitely skip the cadet and SO positions. This is a different route to that mentioned in BALPA's latest article. No self respecting experienced DE would take a cadet or SO position with easy!!

I see where you're coming from. If easy are recruiting specifically for DE FO positions and not just using the term generically for the position of copilot then you can expect to bypass the SO position and join as an FO, maybe even argue for SFO if you have the qualifications. (maybe not argue at this stage though heh!)

As for the 1500 applicants making it to the interview stage, no way. I would say that the first stage is classed as the online application where the CV was submitted. The seconds stage, the online tests and the third stage, the interview. How many are to be invited to interview? No idea.

I believe those with the required factored hours will sign SFO contracts.
Can't imagine many pilots with that much experience, accepting to go through a couple of years on a lower payscale. I'm sure easyJet is aware of that. Otherwise they would have kept hiring low houred inexperienced 21 year olds. That's apparently not what they've decided to do this time. I'm sure they know those experienced pilots will be looking for a relatively quick shot at the LHS and half decent pay.

When it comes to experienced staff, when you pay peanuts, you hire monkeys!

LOC,

The way I understand it you will start as an FO, even guys who have been on flexi for a various period of time under the NEC must remain as a FO until the new criteria have been met.

airbus_driver319, thanks for the info.

I believe easyJet used to have a "CPL vs. ATPL" license rule for FOs and SFOs a few years ago (correct me if I'm wrong). I guess that's not the case anymore.

Every airline has its own "experience payscale". With my current employer everyone joins as an FO and, after 2 years, there's a decent pay rise when you become an SFO. Then, every year there's a slight increase in pay, up to a maximum of 15 years. It seems like a fair way of saying you become a more valuable asset every year you spend with the company.

So since were doing the usual EZY bashing…..I take it if your one of these fast jet RAF guys who flew in the red arrows etc. And you go to BA after your RAF career with thousands of hours you go in straight as a Captain or Senior FO???? Thought not. :ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Word to the wise... Any hint of some of the attitudes shown on here about young, inexperienced, CTC cadets etc at H89 and you won't be getting the job!

easyJet has pilots from various backgrounds, yes a lot from CTC. We also (particularly in LGW) have a good few Captains in their 20's - would you have a problem working with them? That is what the company would be asking itself with some of the comments made above.

I heard a rumour the other day that this non type rated recruitment is basically just a ruse to keep BALPA happy.

BALPA have obviously (and quite rightly) kicked up a stink about CTC pilots coming in on stupid T&Cs, and in response management have finally caved in and said that they will hire direct entry on reasonable T&Cs.

In actual fact, they have no intention to hire DEPs (with some exceptions, viz., those people who would have been hired anyway- i.e. TRIs/TREs, those with A320 Line Training experience etc), but to continue hiring CTC cadets on :mad: T&Cs.

what do you mean WX man?

Clearly there has been a selection process going on,they will invite DTC's and put them in simulators.Do you think that at the end,no contracts will be offered?

Cant imagine that....

No, from what I hear, it's not that no contracts will be offered- it's just that EZY have no intention of taking DEPs. The whole "we will recruit non CTC people" is simply a ruse to keep BALPA happy.

Just a rumour, no idea how true it is. This is, after all, the Professional Pilots Rumour Network. I should also add that my source isn't that reliable, hence me referring it to "the masses".

troll...:cool:

No truth to that rumour at all, probably started by someone who didn't make it through the selection.

I must admit, that's what I'm hoping. I've been waiting for EZY to start recruiting experienced but not TR'd people for bloody ages. Why? I need to move on from flying TPs and I want to be based in the south.

a little bit off topic but thats okay sometimes:

I was wondering what those green buttons on the forward throttle panel in all EZY buses are necessary for?

its quite unique for EZY,never seen it in any other airbus flying around.

this picture illustrated it pretty good:


Photos: Airbus A319-111 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

thanks for the answer!

It's the 'cabin secure for takeoff/landing' flipper. The other side is blue.

I think the other UK operators have them also?

I'd be willing to bet there's a lot of rubbish being spouted by the 'I won't take it if ............' Brigade.

The selection will be inconvenient. Days off, hotels etc etc. not to mention prep time. So if you're going to go through that, in the knowledge that the package won't be great, you probably won't be an SFO, and you'll be a few years to LHS, even if you passed a command assessment at the first OPC, you are probably going to take it if offered. All the 'I've got a good job on a jet I don't need it.' Well you must do or why look to leave to fly Le orange bus. As said above join BA and you'll be bottom rung, with a lot longer to command.

Face it, ezy is the only show in town just now. Ezy know that, so do you. All the bluster counts for nothing.

Its got it on there . . .
with either a "Yes" or a "No"

Not meaning to be funny - and I don`t know quite yet how it happened, but that link to airliners.net above . . .showing a rather nice A319 - well, that flicked to a subliminal page (when I cleared the tab) to a flightglobal page with a note (in orange) and an exclamation mark - saying "this post/position/job (I forget which) is now closed"

Which is a :mad:, but, it doesn`t surprise me (if it is true) as the BA Cadet or F/O offers usually close in about a week, if you are very lucky.

Applying this way then: You need to be very fast, then come on pprune and talk about it - not before.

I sincerely hope I am wrong and that some :mad: is playing about with some software somewhere and that the opportunity with EJ is still ongoing, but, be fast! He who hesitates washes up for a living.

Think it closed about a week ago!

Wxman, I don t see the reason why it would not be true to hire experienced guys. Easyjet will see that in this market you will find easily 100 experienced guys who will take the conditions as they are offered. Even if that means paying for a type rating and starting with a :mad: salary.
So for the price of a low timer you can get an experienced pilot. management would like that option. maybe tons of pilots would refuse but I m sure there are enough around to take it.

Wxman - I have no idea where you got your information from but it is total cobblers. EasyJet will take on those new pilots on the New Entrant Contract. As others have alluded to, some of our more experienced flexicrew are somewhat miffed at the new deal. They think they should be given some credit for past experience with easyJet or indeed in another airline. That has yet to be resolved, but there will be winners and losers - mainly losers unfortunately. The deal on offer to new guys coming from outside is much clearer - it will be up to you if you take it or not if the opportunity arises.

Anybody else just get an email from EZ recruitment?

Yup. Just got the same e-mail.

I hope they will give enough dates since almost all of us are employed. :ok:

Good luck to all.

I haven't received anything yet, but It contradicts the email they sent out a few weeks ago:

I am delighted to confirm that you have successfully completed the on-line assessment stage of the recruitment process and will shortly receive an invite to join us for the next stage of the process. This will consist of an assessment centre and, if successful, a simulator check.

Surely, if the email states the above then one will be invited for an interview?