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locustflyer 25th Mar 2013 12:03

Non type rated easyjet recruitment?
 
Came across this on flight global, newly out today. Could this be the long awaited break non type rated pilots are looking for to progress their careers in the UK?

First Officers with easyJet | 1401360554

TriBeCa 25th Mar 2013 12:24

..and when you click on the link to the easyjet website, in glorious orange you have:

We may be recruiting pilots in the future, please keep an eye on this website for future opportunities.

Looks like it's just same old same old

EcamSurprise 25th Mar 2013 12:25

The applications are on the career section, you need to search for pilots.

locustflyer 25th Mar 2013 13:23

Copied and pasted from easyjet careers


Requirements of the Role

Please only apply if you have the following minimum requirements:

· ATPL (Frozen)
· Minimum 1500 TT Hours
· Minimum 500 hrs. 5700kgs Multi-Crew & Turbine experience
· Right to Live and Work in Europe
· Airline environment experience
· UK EASA license (or converted by start date)
· Class 1 unrestricted medical
· Willing to self-sponsor type rating

On completion and submission of your application, we will contact you outlining the next steps of the process as soon as possible.

Next steps involve the completion of online tests and a personality profile, followed by invitation to an assessment centre and sim assessment for successful applicants.

Desk-pilot 25th Mar 2013 13:26

I'm a bit confused
 
I'm a bit confused - I've followed the link which eventually ends up at an Easyjet pilot careers page which seems to list 4 methods of entry on the bottom right:

CTC Flexi
CTC Aviation
OATS
Parc

The first three are mentored pilot schemes, the Parc link goes to Parc aviation website where the only Easyjet vacancy I can see requires 500hrs on type.

Am I missing something? Just like to say I hope it's true and that they are now going to start hiring experienced F/O's again.

EcamSurprise 25th Mar 2013 13:27

https://easyjet.taleo.net/careersect...4&radiusType=K

Instead of Cabin Crew, select PILOTS.

Anonystude 25th Mar 2013 13:31


Minimum 500 hrs. 5700kgs Multi-Crew & Turbine experience
This isn't that clear -- I presume the intent is at least 500 hrs on an aircraft that meets all three requirements (i.e. it's over 5.7T, multi-crew and turbine) rather than a total of 500 hrs which can be on aircraft that are either >5.7T, or multi-crew, or turbine?

Direct DIKRO 25th Mar 2013 13:57

Certainly an interesting opportunity, it seems to be an SSP DEP.

Does anyone know pay scales and how much do they charge for a rating?

locustflyer 25th Mar 2013 13:59

Here is the link. Just change display to '100 jobs' and scroll down and you will see it.

https://easyjet.taleo.net/careersection/2/joblist.ftl

Squealing Pig 25th Mar 2013 19:58


To help us better know you and further assess your qualifications for this position, please answer the following questions as accurately as possible.
1. Do you have an ATPL (A) (frozen)?
Yes
No
2. Do you have an ATPL (frozen)?
Yes
No
So How do you answer this?

McBruce 25th Mar 2013 20:51

Willing to self sponsor TR..... Haha good one.

So what exactly does BALPA do for EZY?

Serenity 25th Mar 2013 21:16

Think pay will be in the 20's from what I hear.

EcamSurprise 25th Mar 2013 21:18

It will be existing FO / SFO pay but on a 75% / 90% / 100 % basis depending on what you get.

Dct_Mopas 25th Mar 2013 22:48


Originally Posted by McBruce (Post 7760501)
Willing to self sponsor TR..... Haha good one.

So what exactly does BALPA do for EZY?

For many years before flexicrew was invented non type rated pilots were able to enter EZY under a self sponsored TR. This is simply a resumption of that process (albeit on a B scale contract).

It's not as if EZY will have a problem filling courses using an SSR scheme. In fact it will be massively oversubscribed, so why would they offer anything else?

hobnobanyone 25th Mar 2013 23:08

The question that I have about all this is: what exactly does this B-scale pasy deal amount to?

I've googled around and been looking into it and all I could see what a few BALPA references to it, and that the FOs will only have £1000 to live on after loan repayments? Would anybody out there be able to refer me to the actual information?

Obviously, a lot depends on the contract on offer - and to take a pay cut from where I am now, to go to a base that isn't where I currently am, is a bit of a significant downside and would force the hand on any issue at all.

If the pay was in the 20s, then it would be a no-goer.

Panther1984 25th Mar 2013 23:18

Besides the whole pay issue the main question that comes to mind is this. Why are Easyjet asking for people with 1500+ hours when in the past it's been a lot less, circa 200 hours etc?

EcamSurprise 25th Mar 2013 23:21

I posted this above, here you go again.


It will be existing FO / SFO pay but on a 75% / 90% / 100 % basis depending on what you get.
If you don't get the "higher level" which is biddable, you would be on a 75% contract.

Pension, 10% perf bonus after 2 years etc etc.

hobnobanyone 25th Mar 2013 23:28

Very many thanks Ecam - I must apologise but I didn't actually see your post when I read through the thread (blame a rather large curry and a couple of beers!).

Viking101 25th Mar 2013 23:31

I remember the days of TRSS.

That was a good and fair scheme.

Great news for the business

Superpilot 26th Mar 2013 06:06

If true, this could be a sign that not enough type rated guys are signing up to FlexiCrew so what other way to ensure a continous stream of pilots ready to snap up zero hour contracts? By finally offering the most marginalised group of pilots in the industry the opportunity. The irony of it all.....

First.officer 26th Mar 2013 06:56

Well, on face value it appears that EZY have realised that they have a gap looming in respect of the fact that there are not enough suitably experienced RHS guys/gals ready and able to move to the LHS - and they are recruiting accordingly to allow time to train and move suitably experienced crew LHS to meet future projected requirements in due course. Good to see - expect a few other airlines to slowly follow suit over the next year or two - other than the irish one of course, who consistently plumb the depths lol.

F/o

99jolegg 26th Mar 2013 09:56


Originally Posted by Panther1984
Besides the whole pay issue the main question that comes to mind is this. Why are Easyjet asking for people with 1500+ hours when in the past it's been a lot less, circa 200 hours etc?

Three reasons probably.
1) Rumour has it the insurers are getting a bit nervous about the experience level.
2) Cost was a big issue. eJ could bypass the old "expensive" contract with flexicrew - they got ultimate flexibility and low crew cost in the RHS compared to less flexibility on a 5354 pattern and a high fixed cost. Now with the new contract, they have the best of both worlds; they can manage seasonality by measuring the amount of copilots they have on 5354 for a lot less money, 100% FRV and 75% FRV. Now cost is sorted, there's no reason not to employ more experienced crew.
3) With the end of the recession and the start of some significant growth in the next 3-5 years, attrition is likely to rise, which will more than likely lead to a significant loss of crew. Remember a lot of the FO community at eJ are early/mid/late twenties so are more likely to leave for the likes of BA / Emirates which is a bit more career orientated. There is also a large bubble of copilots that joined with 200hrs 2-3 years ago. It leaves a bit of an experience gap for commands in 3 years or so. Getting a variety of crew with more hours balances that a bit.


Originally Posted by Superpilot
If true, this could be a sign that not enough type rated guys are signing up to FlexiCrew so what other way to ensure a continous stream of pilots ready to snap up zero hour contracts?

I don't think there has been a lack of cadets signing up to eJ. I think the real shift has been because of the death of the A scale FO contract. With a cheaper contract, they can afford to take on more experience without having to pay extra for it.

I'm Off! 26th Mar 2013 10:01


I think the real shift has been because of the death of the A scale FO contract. With a cheaper contract, they can afford to take on more experience without having to pay extra for it.
Only if experienced people are willing to accept that dip in terms & conditions...

99jolegg 26th Mar 2013 10:04

You think they won't? I would put very large amounts of money (borrowed from Carolyn's bonus, naturally) on them taking it.

Serenity 26th Mar 2013 10:07

Just because Easyjet are looking to allow people to join if they pay for their own type rating and sign to a lower payscale, is not a good thing to jump about.

If they were serious about recruitment and their employees, then they would offer proper contracts and recruitment, just like Monarch, Virgin, BA.

One of the reasons they are short is because so many f/o's have left for better security and conditions at other employers recently.

Love_joy 26th Mar 2013 10:16

Like many others I've been listening to all the EZ rumours with intent.

I've heard some of this is due to falling experience levels in both seats, and an interest in the matter from some of the ruling authorities.

Is there any truth in this? Or is it simply the turning of a new leaf? Either way, it's starting to look promising.

nick14 26th Mar 2013 10:21

Charging experienced pilots for a type rating and not even offering full time to them all...... How is that promising!?

Finals19 26th Mar 2013 10:46

Some quick fag packet (make that a v used fag packet) maths:

75% of EJ contract FO payscale (source: PPJN) = £31,714 basic
Sector pay monthly (75%) (roughly 15 days @ 16.89 sector *4)
= £1013.4 * 12 = £12,160

Grand total (pre-tax) £43,874
Post tax (via PAYE online tax calculator, tax on 70% of total sector pay)
= £33462 / 12 = £2788 monthly

Two main issues(?) - 1) this is initially a contract position 2) The TR (see CTC website) will end up costing just shy of £20K once VAT is added.

For many guys looking at this (perhaps in current flying employment elsewhere) unless they have £20K lying around, once you have covered the monthly re-payments on any loan required, you're going to be down on your money from what you're earning in your current position.....

Quite the gamble unless its a perm position at >75% working?

(NB: Pls feel free to revise above data if there is more valid stuff out there!)

flyhigh2fly 26th Mar 2013 11:16

You should have a look at Flybe Turboprop/Ejet payscale dear friends! You are still going to be better off after paying a TR with Easyjet. The main thing is job security, which now days is priority no 1.

Leo45 26th Mar 2013 11:20

Agree flyhigh2fly, job security is indeed the number 1 priority!

Polorutz 26th Mar 2013 11:30

I fly for easyJet.

This recruitment is to replace FO's due to attrition and to cover the expansion forecast from now until 2014.

We are looking for 200 FO's with this drive and the target is summer 2014 operation.

They are forecasting 50 commands for this year and possibly 100 for the next so that's 3 quarters of the required allotment, the other 50 is probably attrition.

As for experience levels lowering across all seats, it was true to an extent in the RHS with guys coming from CTC and PARC with the minimum 250 hours. In the LHS however the time to command has risen considerably so the guys getting upgraded now have more experience on type than their counterparts had 5 or so years ago when they upgraded.

vrb03kt 26th Mar 2013 11:48

Based on the figures Finals19 has worked out I don't think this is financially a good move for a flybe dash or jet FO, given that you have to pay for the type rating. Consider that in order to have the hours to apply for this you will probably be a Year 3 FO - if on the jet you will be earning the same as that Easy wage. Most folks on the jet are well beyond paypoint 3. If on the dash it wouldn't be too dissimilar once you factor in TR repayments.

£350 for the privilege of an interview?! They've got exploiting newbies pretty sewn up, now it's the turn of those with a little bit of experience.

EcamSurprise 26th Mar 2013 12:13

I doubt they charge for an interview, they never did for flexi.

vrb03kt 26th Mar 2013 12:34

I'd hope not, nevertheless the figure (+vat) comes from the CTC website for a self funded A320 TR.

Narrow Runway 26th Mar 2013 12:47

With any luck, the company, CTC, won't get a look in.

WHYEYEMAN 26th Mar 2013 13:39


If they were serious about recruitment and their employees, then they would offer proper contracts and recruitment, just like Monarch, Virgin, BA.
Is that the same Monarch that nearly went under a couple of years ago / the same Virgin that lost £80m last year / the same BA that's part of IAG that lost nearly £1bn last year?

Easyjet don't pay a penny more for pilots, or anything else for that matter, than they absolutely have to. It's called supply and demand and the management are ALL over it.

The Flying Cokeman 26th Mar 2013 14:13

VRB03,

It might be a good move if Flybe is no longer around in a year's time!?

McBruce 26th Mar 2013 14:22

If the position was bonded and no B scale salary (what ever that is), Yes it would be a good deal to consider.

EZY want experienced crews and I'm in RYR who would consider applying but the deal on the table is quite frankly pathetic with the requirement to pay for type. I'm not interested in spending 20k on a type rating for a job on a piss poor scale and potentially 75% as well. What sort of experience are they after because not many In the jet world would look at this unless they're stuck in timbucktu for crazy airways.

How others think this is good deal is beyond me. It will attract the TP guys who are desperate to get out and that's about it I think.

EcamSurprise 26th Mar 2013 14:22

easyJets salaries do vary greatly.

Some of the European ones have to the up with the best paying contracts around at the moment, certainly for SFOs.

99jolegg 26th Mar 2013 14:23

Someone worked out some figures a few posts back. From the document eJ released, you can expect less than that on 75%...roughly £39000 before tax inc sector pay. Plus about £2300 in pension.


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