737 Jockey,

I do indeed hope that you are right. If faced with the offer of a 30% pay cut for a permanent contract in 2 years time, I won't be best impressed - even if they are nice about it! :)

Me too LoCo!

If things do turn sour, I don't know what the hell I'm going to do... Because I sure as he'll ain't going back to Ryanair, and neither am I interested in the sandpit or the cesspit (China)...

Think I'll have to sell my body... To science, no one else would pay for it! :eek:

Happy Flighting! :ok:

Despite the above valid points does anyone know what is happening with recruitment for DECs? PARC had advertised for interview dates next month but I haven't heard of anyone getting more than an application form to fill in so far. I have also heard that recruitment has been put on hold until 2015.:bored:

Contract: Instant, Core: Never

Have any contractors got into core during the past year?

Not that I'm aware of. Last Core intake was around last April I think. Subsequently, Core is now unavailable. Whether is stays closed, remains to be seen.

2012 50, 2013 36, Winter 2013-Spring 2014 I heard 10 on "temporary K area contract" stayed in Scandiland on core contract.


Number of contractors hired in this period ? 3-400 ? +/- maybe more , do the Maths.

The numbers speak for themselves :E

Are there any news regarding the major paycut in HEL?

Yeh the news is no one signed. So there is no paycut.

Contract in HEL
 

NAR Finland offers permanent employment to pilots based in Helsinki

NAR Finland enters into a collective bargaining agreement and offers permanent employment to pilots based in Helsinki

As communicated earlier, Norwegian Air Resources Ltd's daughter company NAR FI, wants to employ pilots based in Finland. NAR FI is therefore pleased to announce that it has entered into a collective bargaining agreement with a local union chapter of pilots working at the HEL base and to offer permanent employment on these terms to pilots based in Helsinki, currently employed by Confair Consultancy, Arpi Aviation and Parc Aviation. NAR´s strategy is to be aligned with the conditions in the local market in order to be competitive. We want to attract pilots who want to live and work locally.

The overall salaries and working conditions remain the same as the pilots have today. A letter with the agreement will be sent to all pilots based in Helsinki.

Looks like a good result for the Helsinki pilots.

They got organised in the Finnish pilot union and rejected the first "offer".

Now they have permanent contracts with decent terms and conditions.

It pays to get organised. Well done to the Helsinki pilots and NASPA for showing some teeth.

LGW, AGP crews take note. The time is fast approaching.

"collective bargaining agreement with a local union chapter of pilots"



The Devil is in the detail.

I believe there are implications/ramifications in "who" they negotiated with, or rather who they didn't.

Some warped little games being played out, ERC anyone ? :=

Have they signed anything yet?

I will have more details later , or tomorrow, but basically it appears that the Union the HEL pilots had the foresight to join, prior to this debacle, wasn't to NAS/NAR/Whatevers liking . . . no doubt courtesy of the fact that they have already forged a good working relationship with NPU/BALPA/SEPLA etc, and they have refused to negotiate with them.

Somehow, 3 "individuals" at HEL base have been "encouraged" to form another "Union" :hmm: which NAR have been quick to deal with & make a sensible offer.

Anyone familiar with the Ryanair "Direct negotiation with employees" scenario must be feeling a sense of deja vu here.

It seems my suspicions are not so well founded & the problem (much as during negotiations between NPU & Bjorn Kjos ) seems to be more related to failure of interpersonal skills on one or both sides ( or that old bugbear , chronic swollen ego )

A new deal has been offered, and it sounds satisfactory for those based there, but much less so for anyone coming in to the base. Unfortunately, it seems a clash of egos/personalities has resulted in NASPA ( & some of those negotiating) being replaced by Norwegian Pilot Association Finland, NPAF. Overall from what I have read, it seems a very reasonable deal ( with the caveat that new entrants to the base start on the bottom of the scale as opposed to the "jump" offered to incumbent pilots.)


Next up will be Spain then Gatwick (AGP is next, 3 yrs old in Mar2015, so I guess the moment will be postponed till then )

Not over till the fat lady sings . . . . . .

The collective of all the Unions involved in representing the employees of what is sometimes known as NAS (at other times NAN/NAR/NAI/ etc etc ) have not taken kindly (not surprisingly ) to being "frozen out" of negotiations being undertaken on behalf of 98% of the HEL pilots, this is what they have to say



"The last word is not written nor spoken in HEL, and the news about a final CLA is simply not 100% correct at this stage. A major element for a democratic negotiated CLA, is based on negotiations between your elected union representative (from majority union) and the management."

Pistols at dawn, for this, and many other failures to honour signed agreements. It will be an interesting Autumn.
Strange really, I naively thought I might have come her for (compared to RYR at least) "the quiet life". . doesn't seem likely at this stage. :(

capt. playstation: the end justifies it no?

Totally agreed, this "rot" has to be halted before "Ryanair Scandinavia" is born. . . .

Hi

On the 'new' application form for Norwegian it asks to upload a 'Certificate' - is this your licence or something else??

I think it's too late to change the management culture - it's already evident that it's every bit as bad as RYR's. But it's important that the union fights to represent the pilots - that may be the company's saving grace. Good luck guys.