Air 2000 T/C's
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The company plan to recuit low experience 'wannabe's', preferably with some two crew experience on what is called a 'Permanent Part Year' Contract. Numbers are as yet unknown and I suspect that some vacancies will occur on both fleets.
In broad terms for about £24000 a year you get a type rating, and six months jet experience over the summer months. At the end of the summer you are still paid over the winter but are told to come back the following year if your needed. Hopefully then you get to be on a full contract which at the moment is a starter level of £40,400. This assumes the company require more full time staff as each summer starts.
This means the company can have you flying for half pay over the summer to reduce the risk of trying different business models and then not upsetting you by making you redundant.
Bonding is still for three years or 15K unless they make you fully redundant and tell you your services will not be needed for the foreseeable future, which is usually about two months given the way the game plan changes around here.!
If this interests you instead of a proper job then contact Captain Peter Gilmour (Chief Pilot) at the well publicised addresses for Air 2K.
In broad terms for about £24000 a year you get a type rating, and six months jet experience over the summer months. At the end of the summer you are still paid over the winter but are told to come back the following year if your needed. Hopefully then you get to be on a full contract which at the moment is a starter level of £40,400. This assumes the company require more full time staff as each summer starts.
This means the company can have you flying for half pay over the summer to reduce the risk of trying different business models and then not upsetting you by making you redundant.
Bonding is still for three years or 15K unless they make you fully redundant and tell you your services will not be needed for the foreseeable future, which is usually about two months given the way the game plan changes around here.!
If this interests you instead of a proper job then contact Captain Peter Gilmour (Chief Pilot) at the well publicised addresses for Air 2K.
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Thanks Ella.
Not being a low experienced wannabe I wonder why I was asked to an interview if these are the currrent joining conditions.
Is there any chance that different experience levels command different pay scales such as at Britannia and easyjet?
Any other info gratefully received.
Is there any chance that different experience levels command different pay scales such as at Britannia and easyjet?
Any other info gratefully received.
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Yes Mialo, there is a chance that different backgrounds will command different offers on T&Cs.
If you think that air 2000 might be the job for you, go to the interview and ask the right questions. If you want to rely on rumour control and half answers, phone the Chief Pilot's secretary and allow someone else the chance to join us.
Permanent Part Time contracts are a bit of a mystery as we have only just started using them, but, as Ella says, you would most likely be offered full time after the first year. I do not like PPT contracts, but they are a fact of life for the time being.
As I said at the top, turn up for the interview and see what's on offer - Pfact or PPRune?
If you think that air 2000 might be the job for you, go to the interview and ask the right questions. If you want to rely on rumour control and half answers, phone the Chief Pilot's secretary and allow someone else the chance to join us.
Permanent Part Time contracts are a bit of a mystery as we have only just started using them, but, as Ella says, you would most likely be offered full time after the first year. I do not like PPT contracts, but they are a fact of life for the time being.
As I said at the top, turn up for the interview and see what's on offer - Pfact or PPRune?
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Thanks Ella and Bus14 for the info.
I've got 900hr TT and 500 on a heavy multi crew turboprop, would it be worth while applying to Air 2000 ?
Who's the best person to write to with regard to getting hired?
From the website it mentions that all CV's should be addresses to Captain John Murphy, Chief Pilot.
Thanks again !
I've got 900hr TT and 500 on a heavy multi crew turboprop, would it be worth while applying to Air 2000 ?
Who's the best person to write to with regard to getting hired?
From the website it mentions that all CV's should be addresses to Captain John Murphy, Chief Pilot.
Thanks again !
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Mialo just a word of caution. Whilst it has been intimated by the Chief Pilot that permanent contracts may be offered after a part permanent contract there is no guarantee! The more sceptical would say why would they unless they need to top up the 'winter establishment' pilot numbers? Make sure you ask the right questions and watch your six!
Good luck!
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EK, your profile sounds exactly what the Chief Pilot said would fit someone wanting a PPT contract.
Basically, they want anyone who wants that first jet 'break', so if you have multi turbine time you are standing very strong.
Captain John Murphy is now the Director of Flight Operations. Captain Peter Gilmour is now the Chief Pilot. Frankly a CV sent to either at LGW or the MAN addresses will find the right desk.
Good luck.
Basically, they want anyone who wants that first jet 'break', so if you have multi turbine time you are standing very strong.
Captain John Murphy is now the Director of Flight Operations. Captain Peter Gilmour is now the Chief Pilot. Frankly a CV sent to either at LGW or the MAN addresses will find the right desk.
Good luck.
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Thanks for the info. Pay and part year contract aside, any more gen on what Air 2000 are like to work for, routes on 767 and how long before you can be dual rated? Are they likely to retain 767 or maybe go A330 route? Thanks.
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Frankly forget the 767. We only have three and that's due to drop to two next year thanks to European/Virgin/Monarch/Britania selling cheaper longhaul seats than we can.
As for what the company is like to work for then you will find a reasonable flight deck management, who's hearts are essentially in the right place, being squeezed by the balls by the board of First Choice through their lackies to reduce costs and safety to the point where the pilots and cabin crew are now so demoralised that any attempt to 'get the job done' comes from fear of retribution from above or a mild sense of duty to the passengers rather than company good will.
The union (BALPA) are powerless and the company know it. The crews are great, but the work is hard. Expect no personal life May to November, but if it's jet time you want, then it's an opportunity, but remember you will be selling yourself and all future potential jet pilots short by agreeing to this 'hire 'em cheap' ploy.
As for what the company is like to work for then you will find a reasonable flight deck management, who's hearts are essentially in the right place, being squeezed by the balls by the board of First Choice through their lackies to reduce costs and safety to the point where the pilots and cabin crew are now so demoralised that any attempt to 'get the job done' comes from fear of retribution from above or a mild sense of duty to the passengers rather than company good will.
The union (BALPA) are powerless and the company know it. The crews are great, but the work is hard. Expect no personal life May to November, but if it's jet time you want, then it's an opportunity, but remember you will be selling yourself and all future potential jet pilots short by agreeing to this 'hire 'em cheap' ploy.
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Alberts Growbag, I called Air 2000 today and was told that I need 1500 hours !!!!
Needless to say I've already mailed my CV off to the Chief Pilot and Director of Flight Op's .
It just seems a bit confusing that they are still insisiting on 1500 hours.
Any idea on whats going on?
Needless to say I've already mailed my CV off to the Chief Pilot and Director of Flight Op's .
It just seems a bit confusing that they are still insisiting on 1500 hours.
Any idea on whats going on?
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I would strongly recommend that you don't sell yourself down the line to Air2000. It is no longer an "Airline", it is the transport department of First Choice.
This situation does not allow the DFO or Chief pilot (both very inexperienced in Civvy Street) any negotiating powers, they are powerless, the Bean Counters are eroding pay & conditions, and eventually I believe Flight Safety may be compromised.
This Company has very bad morale problems, people are leaving May I suggest you speak to anyone involved with them before considering applying, go and find a company that will respect your qualifications, and not take the p!!s.
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I would strongly recommend that you don't sell yourself down the line to Air2000. It is no longer an "Airline", it is the transport department of First Choice.
This situation does not allow the DFO or Chief pilot (both very inexperienced in Civvy Street) any negotiating powers, they are powerless, the Bean Counters are eroding pay & conditions, and eventually I believe Flight Safety may be compromised.
This Company has very bad morale problems, people are leaving May I suggest you speak to anyone involved with them before considering applying, go and find a company that will respect your qualifications, and not take the p!!s.
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EK.
Welcome to your first impression of Air 2000. They expect everything for nothing.
I am sure there are thousands of wannabe's who are stupid/desperate enough to work hard for half pay and then be laid off. However I doubt there are that many who have 1500 hours.
If you keep trying I suspect that the hours will be adjusted downwards to suit the average of those applying.
However as Vertex has said. Don't sell yourself cheaply, and take any promises given by Air 2000 as very loosely based on the future. The management are not the one's running the company, I'm afraid that's now down to the board of accountants up top, and they can only see as far as the Financial Times put in front of them every day.
Welcome to your first impression of Air 2000. They expect everything for nothing.
I am sure there are thousands of wannabe's who are stupid/desperate enough to work hard for half pay and then be laid off. However I doubt there are that many who have 1500 hours.
If you keep trying I suspect that the hours will be adjusted downwards to suit the average of those applying.
However as Vertex has said. Don't sell yourself cheaply, and take any promises given by Air 2000 as very loosely based on the future. The management are not the one's running the company, I'm afraid that's now down to the board of accountants up top, and they can only see as far as the Financial Times put in front of them every day.
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Albert & vertex, I hear and understand what you are saying, but will the 24K you mentioned be increased for a higher experience level, (but still without jet time)? Is there duty/sector pay on top?
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Frankly if any full contracts are offered will depend on supply and demand. Lots of work, no idiots taking half rate pay, and you will suddenly see terms improve. Apply and see what they offer you! Then when offered the job tell them you have an offer from Monarch/easyJet/any operator they can't check with, and see what happens.
All duties are paid at £2.33 per hour in Europe. $98 dollars a day across the Atlantic.
Don't expect any long haul as a new entrant, just six months of early's to lates each week. Also constant roster disruption will be the order of the day throughout.
Enjoy or avoid, your choice!
Frankly if any full contracts are offered will depend on supply and demand. Lots of work, no idiots taking half rate pay, and you will suddenly see terms improve. Apply and see what they offer you! Then when offered the job tell them you have an offer from Monarch/easyJet/any operator they can't check with, and see what happens.
All duties are paid at £2.33 per hour in Europe. $98 dollars a day across the Atlantic.
Don't expect any long haul as a new entrant, just six months of early's to lates each week. Also constant roster disruption will be the order of the day throughout.
Enjoy or avoid, your choice!
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Alberts Growbag, Ella and Bus14, just to re-open the discussion on Air 2000 temporary contracts.
I sent my CV to Peter Gilmour and John Murphy at the end of November and I've heard nothing !!
I've got 900hrs TT with 500hrs on a multicrew turboprop.
I thought I'd stand a chance, but according to the website they still say 1500hrs TT.
Any news on these temporary contracts and the requirements?
Thanks for any help
EK
I sent my CV to Peter Gilmour and John Murphy at the end of November and I've heard nothing !!
I've got 900hrs TT with 500hrs on a multicrew turboprop.
I thought I'd stand a chance, but according to the website they still say 1500hrs TT.
Any news on these temporary contracts and the requirements?
Thanks for any help
EK
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EK.
I havn't heard very much recently on how many and when we will take people on, except that it is ongoing this winter. I would not worry too much as it may be a month or more before you get the call to attend the interview the next day!
Tibesti
At present all crew are mostly UK born and bred. We do have a handfull of foreigners with UK residence but they are very much the exception at present. Hope it works out for you.
I havn't heard very much recently on how many and when we will take people on, except that it is ongoing this winter. I would not worry too much as it may be a month or more before you get the call to attend the interview the next day!
Tibesti
At present all crew are mostly UK born and bred. We do have a handfull of foreigners with UK residence but they are very much the exception at present. Hope it works out for you.
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Cheers
Thanks Ella for the reply. I have sent off my CV, even although their website says they are not recruiting... Do you know when they are likely to offer interviews...?
<<At present all crew are mostly UK born and bred. We do have a handfull of foreigners with UK residence but they are very much the exception at present.>> Thats like a breath of fresh air...!
<<At present all crew are mostly UK born and bred. We do have a handfull of foreigners with UK residence but they are very much the exception at present.>> Thats like a breath of fresh air...!