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[Climb150]

Originally Posted by Newhairdo

Well they did answer.
The simple point is that you need EU citizenship to live and work in the EU.

This is what causes much of the confusion with newbies on this website. Nobody ever says how they were able to get a work visa in a country, they just post something along the lines of,

"I moved from Argentina to portugal and got a job with easyJet etc".

Are you a Portuguese citizen already? Where you sponsored? Is your wife Portuguese?

So when people read this they just think if you are a Pilot you can just live and work wherever you want.

And no you don't necessarily need EU citizenship to live and work in the EU. In the past Avion express and a few others will sponsor a visa for you.

[Inaere]

Seems like a few guys have been invited for the online assessment! Good luck everyone!

[BRNL]

Has anyone here got the invitation for the assessment yet?

[Long Haul]

Originally Posted by Climb150

That's not what I asked. There are some people on this thread that said they moved from non EU countries and to work for KLM. Did they have Dutch or EU citizenship?

Late last century the Dutch government provided work permits for non-EU citizens when KLM was unable to hire enough Dutch licensed pilots. They even helped them with the transition to a Dutch ATPL. Once the EU license was implemented, they were no longer able to do that.

[Climb150]

Originally Posted by Long Haul

Late last century the Dutch government provided work permits for non-EU citizens when KLM was unable to hire enough Dutch licensed pilots. They even helped them with the transition to a Dutch ATPL. Once the EU license was implemented, they were no longer able to do that.

Thank you for the insight.

[Long Haul]

Originally Posted by BRNL

Oboema, your the man!👍🏼👊🏼


if you could just explain what I saw at KLM careers regarding the part time. “KLM offers the option of part-time work (90%, 80%, 67% and - under certain conditions - 50%).”

what does this 90, 80, 67 and 50% exactly means? It doesn’t make much sense for those not familiar. Is it 90, 80, 67% of the salary? Of the work time?

whatis the salary “loss” when you get part time?

and can you request part time half of the year and another half full time?

thank you once again, man!

The system is really quite different than what you are used to at AA. There are no hourly rates; the salary is more or less the same each month. On long haul each trip has an associated value depending on block hours, time zone changes, and time away. The time off after each trip depends on this value, and must be taken at the end of each trip. There are no drops, pick-ups, trades, or combining trips to pool your days off. Someone who flies 80% gets 20 percent less Euros per month than a full-timer, but gets 20 percent more time off. And flying a part time schedule allows you to extend your career by retiring later.

[Long Haul]

Originally Posted by semmern

In KLM, if you work 80% part-time, are you restricted to 720 BLH per year, or can you still fly 900 BLH, but in 80% of the days?

If you are 80% part time, you could never get to 900 block hours per year, because you would be scheduled for time off that is mandatory to take. If somehow you did, you wouldn't be paid more in money, you would have accumulated extra days off in the bank that would eventually be returned to you.

[SegAfredo]

Originally Posted by BlueBlueSky

Yes, received my invite for the online assessment.

Anyone here already completed it and knows what the next stage is?

What is your background and when did you apply ?

[PapaPAPI]

Originally Posted by BlueBlueSky

Yes, received my invite for the online assessment.

Anyone here already completed it and knows what the next stage is?

Same here, just got hired at an airline close to NL with 2500TT.
How are you preparing for the assessment?

[Romain Simon]

Hi !
Do you know in what consists the online tests ?
have a geat day !

[Exuma]

Originally Posted by BRNL

Yes, the pilot needs Euro citizenship in order to apply for the job.

No you don't. You must have the right to live and work in The Netherlands. Apply for a verblijfsvergunning (residence permit). Its based on your personal situation. All on line.

[richpea]

Originally Posted by Exuma

No you don't. You must have the right to live and work in The Netherlands. Apply for a verblijfsvergunning (residence permit). Its based on your personal situation. All on line.

You cannot get one of those without already having the job, and KLM are not currently sponsoring those visas for non-EU residents. I know this because I emailed them and they told me so. So at the moment, you must have right to live and work in the Netherlands (aka right to live and work in the EU) to be eligible for this opportunity.

[BRNL]

I have the hope the company lift the need for EASA licence (and make a smoother conversion process) like they did back in the day, as I’ve read in some aviation articles they might face a pilot shortage.

I mean, of course you need EU citizenship, and although this will totally depend on the number of experienced pilots applying for the job, it’s worth nothing to dream about it, even though I have started my EASA conversion already.

[Yomama1999]

Virgin Atlantic is sponsoring non-uk citizens.

[richpea]

Originally Posted by BRNL

I have the hope the company lift the need for EASA licence (and make a smoother conversion process) like they did back in the day, as I’ve read in some aviation articles they might face a pilot shortage.

I mean, of course you need EU citizenship, and although this will totally depend on the number of experienced pilots applying for the job, it’s worth nothing to dream about it, even though I have started my EASA conversion already.

I'd imagine they'd start sponsoring visas before they do that, since its not really KLM that gets the say on that, aviation authorities would be involved too. On the flip side, if they can prove that they can't hire enough EU citizens, it then becomes fairly simple to sponsor visas.

[BRNL]

But sponsoring visas for who? I guess they’d sponsor only for people who are non-EU citizens, right?
And it’s not that simple to find people that are non-EU citizens to hold an EASA Licence.

[richpea]

Originally Posted by BRNL

But sponsoring visas for who? I guess they’d sponsor only for people who are non-EU citizens, right?
And it’s not that simple to find people that are non-EU citizens to hold an EASA Licence.

Quite a lot of Brits I think!

[BRNL]

Originally Posted by richpea

Quite a lot of Brits I think!

isn’t it better for Brits to go BA or VA rather than KLM?

[richpea]

Originally Posted by BRNL

isn’t it better for Brits to go BA or VA rather than KLM?

I'd rather go to KLM than BA or VA.
Basically a good 99% of British pilots currently flying for Ryanair all hold EASA licenses, so there's a large pool of people there that would potentially be very attracted by a job with KLM.

[bda321]

Originally Posted by richpea

I'd rather go to KLM than BA or VA.
Basically a good 99% of British pilots currently flying for Ryanair all hold EASA licenses, so there's a large pool of people there that would potentially be very attracted by a job with KLM.

My estimate of those actually interested from that specific pool would be very little. From my experience, the big bases are populated with a lot of spanish/italian/portuguese pilots. A lot of Brits for sure, but they tend to be local to their base and/or captains/FOs who have set up quite a nice little life for themselves, especially the ones at the regional bases. It won't be easy getting them thinking about elsewhere, not least a job in AMS and the commuting etc.