Easyjet Madness
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From: Sunny Europe
Any DEC/EU opening up any time soon?
Hi everyone.
Any rumours about DEC openings for easyJet Europe anytime soon?
I keep hearing and reading that EZ is short on pilots for summer24, so wondering how that omelet's cooking, and how many eggs will be needed.
Happy landings.
Any rumours about DEC openings for easyJet Europe anytime soon?
I keep hearing and reading that EZ is short on pilots for summer24, so wondering how that omelet's cooking, and how many eggs will be needed.
Happy landings.
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From: London
It seems there are always new command opportunities in Spain and Portugal, especially the bases that are summer only. I would say as close to zero chance in France and Italy, Germany and Netherlands I would also say was unlikely.
We are told internally that recruitment is complete for summer 24 and attrition is on plan....
We are told internally that recruitment is complete for summer 24 and attrition is on plan....
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From: World
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The problem of self sponsored type rating as the "best" possibility for a first job was a monster created by pilots who wanted to fast track to an airline job without going through the "hassle" of hour building. Some airlines wisely realized people were willing to pay for this and started offering this program and freed themselves the responsibility of financing training for their own pilots, which is the rule in most places worldwide.
Now this monster is too big and no one knows how to defeat it, as you can see from posts above. Those who decide to follow the traditional career path of hour building flying small airplanes and/or regional airlines get behind financially compared to those who pay for a type rating right out of flight school and start flying a B737/A320 as their first job.
I honestly don't know how this can be solved since saying "don't pay for it" does not work. People are willing to pay for it. Only a change in regulations would force airlines to pay for the training of their own pilots.
Now this monster is too big and no one knows how to defeat it, as you can see from posts above. Those who decide to follow the traditional career path of hour building flying small airplanes and/or regional airlines get behind financially compared to those who pay for a type rating right out of flight school and start flying a B737/A320 as their first job.
I honestly don't know how this can be solved since saying "don't pay for it" does not work. People are willing to pay for it. Only a change in regulations would force airlines to pay for the training of their own pilots.
thanks to that rule us pilots not only have better pay but much better rosters and a lot more of days off
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From: Location, Location
Only problem with that is that there is almost no way in the UK or EU to get 1500 hrs, as there are very few non-airline openings. Plus, in this part of the world a 1500 hr SEP pilot historically hasn't usually been any better a pilot than a 180 hr cadet! It's about training standards not just hours.
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From: US
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From: England
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Who, with the required experience, is signing up to pay 30k for a type rating with this company? If you've got the required experience, there is a list of companies that would hire you without having to pay. Who is it attracting exactly?
The salary as an FO is quite poor compared to competitors, that's without the "bond" deduction payments. Very bizarre ..
The salary as an FO is quite poor compared to competitors, that's without the "bond" deduction payments. Very bizarre ..
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From: F410
Who, with the required experience, is signing up to pay 30k for a type rating with this company? If you've got the required experience, there is a list of companies that would hire you without having to pay. Who is it attracting exactly?
The salary as an FO is quite poor compared to competitors, that's without the "bond" deduction payments. Very bizarre ..
The salary as an FO is quite poor compared to competitors, that's without the "bond" deduction payments. Very bizarre ..
“Type Rating runs for approximately 6-8 weeks and is a self-funded cost of approximately £22,000, or bonded 36-month salary deduction of £611 per month (the exact cost will be confirmed at point of offer).”
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Guys who have passed and been offered the course reported a quotation of over 30k in fact, more around 35k. Even more insane.
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From: Europe
Say I’m wearing those golden handcuffs in my preferred home base, home every night just like I wanted etc. What then specifically am I missing not knowing ‘a world outside of easyJet’? Please give me some specifics.
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From: I wouldn't know.
It is different for different people. And yes, i have done most of my life outside of the low cost world. Still, there is something to be said about having half a year off free time on a full time contract, taking home around 10k a month and just flying 500 to 600 hours. And yes, being home every night, having a chance at a meaningful private life outside of the job. And that at ripe old age of 25.
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From: France
It is different for different people. And yes, i have done most of my life outside of the low cost world. Still, there is something to be said about having half a year off free time on a full time contract, taking home around 10k a month and just flying 500 to 600 hours. And yes, being home every night, having a chance at a meaningful private life outside of the job. And that at ripe old age of 25.
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From: Europe
Denti, a few continental bases are actually not that far off of what you describe. Arguably even better! A great deal for the locals and those who choose to relocate permanently. So yes, there are some good deals around, but we are well aware if that, some just a base change away.
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From: World
Continental europe base, in 7 years I have never flown more than 630 hours. Money more than adequate (more than the 10k mentioned) and 180+ days at home per year, full time, between off, lve and unused sby. I decided to live where I am based and never looked back. Life is pretty awesome, and i don’t see a single reason to change.
A lot depends on your tax situation, but enough deals in europe to pay very reasonable amount of taxes for a long time, if you do your research.
A lot depends on your tax situation, but enough deals in europe to pay very reasonable amount of taxes for a long time, if you do your research.
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From: Schloss Neuschwanstein
Just for info, under the latest pay deal for easyJet pilots in the UK, there is a 17% increase in all pay dating back to Apr 2024. It is a 3-year deal with next Apr getting RPI + 2% and the subsequent Apr getting RPI + 1%. It means that the total package for a 10-year captain will end up around £200k. It is not exactly the stuff of poverty, but listening to some of our captains you could have been forgiven for believing we had just been robbed at gunpoint.
It means the basic salary for a UK captain from Apr 24 is £137,513 with the company paying a further 7% into your pension (£9,625). All the rest is made up Sector Pay (around £40/sector and flying approx 460 sectors a year - £18,400) and loyalty pay of 15% after 10 years’ service (£20.627 taxable), paid annually in a lump sum. Not included is the occasional 5% profit-related bonus (which looks likely this year). Also they throw £3,000 worth of easyJet shares at you most years (not during Covid surprisingly enough).
It means the basic salary for a UK captain from Apr 24 is £137,513 with the company paying a further 7% into your pension (£9,625). All the rest is made up Sector Pay (around £40/sector and flying approx 460 sectors a year - £18,400) and loyalty pay of 15% after 10 years’ service (£20.627 taxable), paid annually in a lump sum. Not included is the occasional 5% profit-related bonus (which looks likely this year). Also they throw £3,000 worth of easyJet shares at you most years (not during Covid surprisingly enough).