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Old 7th Jun 2023, 16:20
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Things are gonna get interesting in the U.K. when Jet2 start receiving their A321’s in significant numbers. Could be very lucrative for salary/bonus negotiations.
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 16:29
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Originally Posted by 737 Jockey
Things are gonna get interesting in the U.K. when Jet2 start receiving their A321’s in significant numbers. Could be very lucrative for salary/bonus negotiations.

Jet2 have EZY in their sights. They’ve removed TUI as the main package holiday threat and now seem to be after EZY. The Liverpool base opening is the first sign of this and plenty more to come.
They’re already taking a lot of their Pilot’s (trainers?) so I wonder will we see J2 push into LGW?
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 18:50
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Originally Posted by R T Jones
I can confirm the Amy Johnson course is open to both males and females. I have flown with a male first officer who joined easyjet via it.
It was open to both genders but to qualify for the sponsored type rating you had to be female.

Regarding the arrogance bit, i would tend to agree. How can you hire co pilots with 1000 hrs and ask them to pay for their type rating?
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 20:19
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The difference between J2 and Ezy is that J2 have adults running the company whereas Ezy is run by former cabin crew who have no idea about the operational side of running an airline. In my time at the Orange mob the pilot side of the management seemed to be non-existent with everything delegated to managers who seemed to terrify most of the employees.
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 20:52
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Originally Posted by A320LGW
It was open to both genders but to qualify for the sponsored type rating you had to be female.
Surely this would come under discrimination… i do agree it is madness in the hiring climate we currently have to be charging for type ratings to anyone let alone experienced first officers. I know for a fact we are losing left and right seat pilots to J2 and EK. Plus the usual lot to virgin and BA. From what I’ve seen so far this summer it looks as if numbers are tight especially so in the right seat. Not the chaos of last summer, but we aren’t yet at peak flying.
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Old 8th Jun 2023, 10:34
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Originally Posted by A320LGW
It was open to both genders but to qualify for the sponsored type rating you had to be female.
That just isn’t true. Both genders had to pay for an MCC only, with the TR being paid by EasyJet.

You posted incorrect information on the Amy Johnson thread in 2019 including about this.
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Old 8th Jun 2023, 13:43
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It’s called “positive discrimination”. Which is discrimination. What’s much more interesting is what happened to the poster girl.

Also easyJet don’t get the numbers wrong; this is how they run the airline. It’s a cyclical thing and has been occurring roughly very three years since it’s inception. It won’t change because they don’t want it change.
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Old 8th Jun 2023, 17:38
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Well at least they're trying to add a bit of class back into aviation after you lot and O' Leary done away with it
(even if it is of the Northern variety )
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Old 8th Jun 2023, 23:26
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Originally Posted by BeanFlyer
That just isn’t true. Both genders had to pay for an MCC only, with the TR being paid by EasyJet.

You posted incorrect information on the Amy Johnson thread in 2019 including about this.
Good on you for calling this out.

At least a stopped clock is correct twice a day. A320LGW can never be accused of such a high hit rate
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Old 9th Jun 2023, 08:07
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Let’s have a reference shall we

https://careers.easyjet.com/pilots/a...on-initiative/
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Old 9th Jun 2023, 10:03
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So what did happen to the poster girl?
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Old 9th Jun 2023, 21:35
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There is an issue here of an airline appearing to promote diversity, whilst for many years recruiting school leavers via CTC / L3 with the family means to pay 100K+ for their training. How socially and economically diverse is the group of young pilots who have the family backing to pay this?
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Old 10th Jun 2023, 00:03
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Originally Posted by Chauderon
There is an issue here of an airline appearing to promote diversity, whilst for many years recruiting school leavers via CTC / L3 with the family means to pay 100K+ for their training. How socially and economically diverse is the group of young pilots who have the family backing to pay this?
Companies only care about diversity you can see: sex, race, age etc

Doesn’t matter whether your parents are millionaires or from a council estate. Once you have a uniform on there’s no telling your background so why bother increasing diversity that can’t be virtue signalled ?

Whenever you see a group photo of new starter pilots on social media being promoted (usually 6-8 white males) someone always comments “it would be nice to see more females” or “it would be nice to see more people of colour”. No one ever comments “They all look rich, it would be nice to see someone from a council estate in Barnsley” because that can’t be determined from a photo and therefore the airline can’t receive negative comments
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Old 12th Jun 2023, 08:10
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Kendrick I take it you are still salty from my light hearted comment on the virgin thread about a year ago .. do move on, life is too short my dear friend

As for the link, there is nothing on the link regarding payment so it neither proves nor disproves anything
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Old 12th Jun 2023, 20:05
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Does anyone have any information on what the sponsorship scheme is for NTR UK pilots. Cant imagine there will be many experienced pilots willing to pay for type ratings.
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Old 13th Jun 2023, 05:25
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Self Sponsored ratings

Simply put, telling people not to go for self-sponsored ratings does not work.

I was the fool who followed that advice back in the early 2000s when the bar was set at 500 multi. Off I went to “do things the right way” and build up 500 hours of multi, and in the interim the industry became almost exclusively self sponsored. I saw the next twenty years of my career involve a hard slog to get back on economic parity with my peers, some who are close friends, who self-sponsored. I’ve never paid for a rating in my career, but would have had a much easier ride if I did.

It’s akin to telling a drowning man to let go of a piece of string as it’s not strong enough to hold their weight. You can shout, “wait for a rope!” They’re still going to grab it.

Those inside the industry need to fight equally as hard to put down self-sponsored ratings. Hire talent, not just the wallet. It’s in all of our interests to do so, not just the young wannabes who don’t have many options.
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Old 13th Jun 2023, 06:35
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I fully agree about self sponsored ratings. I regularly see people brag on linkedin that they are doing things "the right way" and not paying for a rating (pay2fly as they call it). They often fly things such as DA42s for some small surveying op or similar.

Whilst noble in their intentions, I cannot help but think that in 3 yrs a person who paid at RYR or another airline is eligible to apply for Emirates, whilst their options in 3yrs will pretty much be similar to whatever it is they are doing right now. That income difference is the type rating money paid back ... has it not occurred to them??
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Old 13th Jun 2023, 08:18
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Originally Posted by A320LGW
I fully agree about self sponsored ratings. I regularly see people brag on linkedin that they are doing things "the right way" and not paying for a rating (pay2fly as they call it). They often fly things such as DA42s for some small surveying op or similar.

Whilst noble in their intentions, I cannot help but think that in 3 yrs a person who paid at RYR or another airline is eligible to apply for Emirates, whilst their options in 3yrs will pretty much be similar to whatever it is they are doing right now. That income difference is the type rating money paid back ... has it not occurred to them??
Yep and EZY and RYR know this. I was the same went against paying for TR which I hadn’t done until COVID. Pretty much everyone I know who paid for a TR be if EZY,RYR, Blue Air plus others have earnt at least £100k more than me compared to the route I took. Some maybe pushing £500k more in the bank (or enjoyed) than me over the same time scale.
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Old 13th Jun 2023, 11:11
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I'd agree. .. for a first job. But easyJet is one of the few who demand that experienced DEPs and even captains must pay for the rating.
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Old 13th Jun 2023, 11:52
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The problem of self sponsored type rating as the "best" possibility for a first job was a monster created by pilots who wanted to fast track to an airline job without going through the "hassle" of hour building. Some airlines wisely realized people were willing to pay for this and started offering this program and freed themselves the responsibility of financing training for their own pilots, which is the rule in most places worldwide.

Now this monster is too big and no one knows how to defeat it, as you can see from posts above. Those who decide to follow the traditional career path of hour building flying small airplanes and/or regional airlines get behind financially compared to those who pay for a type rating right out of flight school and start flying a B737/A320 as their first job.

I honestly don't know how this can be solved since saying "don't pay for it" does not work. People are willing to pay for it. Only a change in regulations would force airlines to pay for the training of their own pilots.
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