British Airways Direct Entry Pilot

[White Van Driver]

Originally Posted by Serenity

Is there a list of which fleets fly where?
where could I find it or could someone please send it to me.
thanks.

it changes around regularly. I've had a rough stab at it, there may well be some errors and omissions... but this will give you a feel for it.

777
ABV ACC ANU ATL BAH BWI BLR BKK BDA CUN CPT ORD DFW DEL DOH DXB IAH ISB JNB KIN LAS LAX MLE MRU BOM NAS MSY JFK EWR MCO POS PUJ RUH SFO SJO SIN/SYD UVF TPA YYZ IAD

787
AUH BGI BOS BGI CVG HND HKG HYD JED KWI LOS MEX YUL BOM BNA JFK PIT PDX SCL GRU SEA PVG YYZ IAD

350
​​​​​​ACC AUS DFW DEL DEN DXB JNB LAS BOM NBO PHL PHX GIG SAN GRU YVR

380
DFW DXB JNB LAX MIA SFO SIN

[warhammer]

Originally Posted by White Van Driver

Y1 FO flying 800hrs you'll gross around £93k including flight pay and Allowances having taken out pension contributions. Take home is gonna average £5400 a month on that. Can increase it if you want to work overtime.

With all that experience you'll probably get your SH command in the first bid after you join. That means anything from 6 months to 2 years.
Make sure you join on SH though! Join on longhaul and you'll be stuck with no command for 5 years.

First year captain on SH adds about £1000 in your pocket per month so call it £6500 or so as a very junior skipper not working extra.

Long haul it's currently 18 years so no need to worry about that just yet!

Good luck.

thanks for the promp reply! As I heard, if I join LH, I can also bid for SH upgrade during the bidding period, isn't that right?

[GS-Alpha]

Pre-command freeze on type is 1 year, on a different type it is 4 years. I have never seen someone released from a pre-command freeze within mainline BA.

[bda321]

I have been offered a B787 course starting May. The other option is B777 starting in June.

Does anyone know what life is like at the bottom of the B787? Better than the 777?

[massiveheed]

Firstly congratulations. Nice choice to have. Personally I’d go for 787. There are many more 2 crew trips on 777 which are lower credit and much harder work. As a junior you will be doing more of them . Just had a quick glance and of the most junior 30 on each fleet 7 fo’s are doing 5 trips in jan on the triple. 1 on the 787 for the bottom 30 .

[kendrick47247]

Originally Posted by bda321

I have been offered a B787 course starting May. The other option is B777 starting in June.

Does anyone know what life is like at the bottom of the B787? Better than the 777?

Congratulations!
Besides the usual advice of ‘take the soonest start date possible’, the 787 would be a much better choice.

Junior on the triple is the worst position in the company, IMO.

[bda321]

Originally Posted by massiveheed

Firstly congratulations. Nice choice to have. Personally I’d go for 787. There are many more 2 crew trips on 777 which are lower credit and much harder work. As a junior you will be doing more of them . Just had a quick glance and of the most junior 30 on each fleet 7 fo’s are doing 5 trips in jan on the triple. 1 on the 787 for the bottom 30 .

Thank you, it's all a bit surreal and it feels audacious even sounding remotely fussy given the types proposed on the phone.
Personally I don't think I'd mind 2 crew flights, I'd actually like to fly if anything. I'm guessing the 787 allows you to bid for that stuff anyway though and being junior you'd probably get it, as well as other stuff if your mood changes .. as opposed to the triple where it will all be imposed?

[GS-Alpha]

I would also choose 787 over 777.

[GBOLD]

BAEF Hold Pool

Has anyone in the BA Euroflyer hold pool been offered a start date?

[Phantom4]

Originally Posted by warhammer

Hello ladies and gents,

A gulf flyer here happened to live in the middle east, a very experienced wide body fo that is eager to move to the uk leaving everything behind and forget about every single thing in this freaking area. A lot of questions on mind. Basically, how is the upgrade to command in BA? How fair are they for it? How long might it take for an experienced fo with thousands of hours in wide body a/c to sit to the left, to narrow body maybe as a quick target? As we all are suffering in the gulf region due to these frkn companies' direct entry captain policies here... we couldnt get our commands and got experienced in wide bodies for years now.. even most of us are overqualified now... what would be your recommendations? We are being paid a great amount of money here including school fees, housing allowences, etc. you cannot believe... I know there will be no allowences provided by BA but how much do you think a new joiner fo can be paid net for an 80 hours block time a month average? Gotta figure out whether I can survive there with family and kids you can send me pm if you dont want to give details here. Need your advice guys, cheers

Sounds like you’ve had enough and I understand,did seven years out there and time to return.
However,there are a number of 320 Hitmen who can destroy longhaul people .
Stories of military instructors being reduced to tears on line training and shouting at the trainee on the aircraft.
If I were you I would consider Jet2,good luck.

[bda321]

Thank you guys for the well wishes and advice. It's fairly resounding RE B787. Just had a look at FR24, plenty of (i presume) 2 crew flights to east coast USA and the near east, should I get bored of the bunks or restless in infinite cruise.

[kendrick47247]

Originally Posted by Phantom4

Sounds like you’ve had enough and I understand,did seven years out there and time to return.
However,there are a number of 320 Hitmen who can destroy longhaul people .
Stories of military instructors being reduced to tears on line training and shouting at the trainee on the aircraft.
If I were you I would consider Jet2,good luck.

Maybe this was true in yesteryear.
These days, this is complete and utter nonsense. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth

[RexBanner]

Not a thing of the too distant past. I’ve been shouted at on the Flightdeck by a former Airbus TC now training on the 777 with an almost universally negative rep (initials JD - could be a well known Canadian rapper) for flying an approach in managed speed and waiting until the flap was out to select 180 instead of immediately winding a speed below green dot into the window. I quote “F***ing select the speed, you’re not in f***ing easyJet now”. The tone was unquestionably not jocular. Most of the trainers are absolutely fine but there’s still some difficult characters out there.

Originally Posted by White Van Driver

380
DFW DXB JNB LAX MIA SFO SIN

You can add IAD and BOS to that in the summer. Not that you’ll want to for credit purposes!!

[Phantom4]

Perhaps you should ask around including the AMEs at Waterside.

[warhammer]

Originally Posted by RexBanner

Not a thing of the too distant past. I’ve been shouted at on the Flightdeck by a former Airbus TC now training on the 777 with an almost universally negative rep (initials JD - could be a well known Canadian rapper) for flying an approach in managed speed and waiting until the flap was out to select 180 instead of immediately winding a speed below VLS into the window. I quote “F***ing select the speed, you’re not in f***ing easyJet now”. The tone was unquestionably not jocular. Most of the trainers are absolutely fine but there’s still some difficult characters out there.



You can add IAD and BOS to that in the summer. Not that you’ll want to for credit purposes!!

thanks for the heads up. I cant believe there is still that attitude in the flight deck. Too amateur too old school... Must be minority though. But thanks anyway.

I was wondering, if there is any attitude, anything in the company against to non-native speakers or let's say non-english guys like the aussies have in emirates to others. Im not calling it racism but you know what I mean.. a not welcoming attitude to non locals..

[White Van Driver]

Originally Posted by warhammer

thanks for the heads up. I cant believe there is still that attitude in the flight deck. Too amateur too old school... Must be minority though. But thanks anyway.

I was wondering, if there is any attitude, anything in the company against to non-native speakers or let's say non-english guys like the aussies have in emirates to others. Im not calling it racism but you know what I mean.. a not welcoming attitude to non locals..

Not at all in my experience.

[Alrosa]

None that I’ve experienced…and plenty of non-British captains at BA - I’ve flown with Dutch, Portuguese, Spanish and French captains on the Airbus. All great guys .

[Max Angle]

I have been offered a B787 course starting May. The other option is B777 starting in June.

No brainer, 787.

[hans brinker]

Originally Posted by warhammer

Hello ladies and gents,

A gulf flyer here happened to live in the middle east, a very experienced wide body fo that is eager to move to the uk leaving everything behind and forget about every single thing in this freaking area. A lot of questions on mind. Basically, how is the upgrade to command in BA? How fair are they for it? How long might it take for an experienced fo with thousands of hours in wide body a/c to sit to the left, to narrow body maybe as a quick target? As we all are suffering in the gulf region due to these frkn companies' direct entry captain policies here... we couldnt get our commands and got experienced in wide bodies for years now.. even most of us are overqualified now... what would be your recommendations? We are being paid a great amount of money here including school fees, housing allowences, etc. you cannot believe... I know there will be no allowences provided by BA but how much do you think a new joiner fo can be paid net for an 80 hours block time a month average? Gotta figure out whether I can survive there with family and kids you can send me pm if you dont want to give details here. Need your advice guys, cheers

Don't think your experience level will matter for upgrade time, because seniority system. But you should have no problem with that seeing that you are complaining about DECs......

[3Greens]

Originally Posted by hans brinker

Don't think your experience level will matter for upgrade time, because seniority system. But you should have no problem with that seeing that you are complaining about DECs......

BA at GATWICK take DEC