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Old 9th Jan 2023, 11:07
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Originally Posted by RARA9 View Post
Iím sorry but the BA selection is a joke , if you are looking to recruit a robot who can say the right things to HR then great.
They donít get to see what the person would actually be like on a 14hr day Ö..
Having worked there I would say it's genuinely the best selection process out there because believe it or not that's what they do want.








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Old 9th Jan 2023, 11:57
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Originally Posted by FRYVA View Post
Having worked there I would say it's genuinely the best selection process out there because believe it or not that's what they do want.
I have indeed also worked at BA for many years, I didnít know it had changed so I stand corrected
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Old 11th Jan 2023, 11:59
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Yes they do when you reach the sim assessment,two candidates over five hours
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Old 11th Jan 2023, 13:37
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I've failed the BA selection process 3 times in the past 20 years. Had another opportunity recently but I decided to pull out because I'm scarred by my previous experiences. BA's pre-simulator selection hoops are awful. Especially the interview which is just pretentious bo******. Every other airline job I've interviewed for (almost 10!) I've got the job. Such a shame, I act, talk and behave like your average Nigel and have wanted to fly red, white and blue all my life!
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I've failed the BA selection process 3 times in the past 20 years. Had another opportunity recently but I decided to pull out because I'm scarred by my previous experiences. BA's pre-simulator selection hoops are awful. Especially the interview which is just pretentious bo******. Every other airline job I've interviewed for (almost 10!) I've got the job. Such a shame, I act, talk and behave like your average Nigel and have wanted to fly red, white and blue all my life!
Pretentious and pompous sums it up and I've heard that many times. Here's the irony; BA CityFlyer pilots are all suitable to fly the Embraer into LCY and other CAT C airfields. All as a wholly owned subsidiary in the livery and uniforms of BA. However, their pilots have to jump through all the hoops if they wish to join the world's biggest flying club. Furthermore a lot of them get rejected which begs the question why are they allowed to return to CityFlyer as sub standard pilots? CE247, IMHO you are better off out of it.

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Old 11th Jan 2023, 17:22
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A shame the thread has to be hijacked in this way by some thinly-disguised bitterness and/or insecurity.

The fact is BA flightcrew really arenít that different to those flying elsewhere. Iíve found that the majority of disparaging remarks re BA pilots seem to have come from people that have in fact, never flown for BAÖ.so I tend to take their views with a pinch of salt.

The BA interview that some seem to find issue with is pretty standard in the U.K. - mainly competency based questions and the usual why BA etc.

The assessment process is partly about weeding out folk who waltz into the recruitment centre believing theyíre entitled to a job there ÖBA do not want this kind of person in their flightdecks.

The recruiters Iíve met have been very friendly and professional. That canít be said for some of the airlines Iíve interviewed for in other countries.

The fact that some people donít pass the BA assessment is not of course a reflection on the individual - but nor is it necessarily a sign that the assessment process itself is somehow flawed, and that only unpleasant individuals pass the assessment (complete rubbish in my experience). There are unpleasant individuals in every company and no, BA donít have the monopoly on them.





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Old 11th Jan 2023, 17:59
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Originally Posted by Alrosa View Post
A shame the thread has to be hijacked in this way by some thinly-disguised bitterness and/or insecurity.

The fact is BA flightcrew really arenít that different to those flying elsewhere. Iíve found that the majority of disparaging remarks re BA pilots seem to have come from people that have in fact, never flown for BAÖ.so I tend to take their views with a pinch of salt.

The BA interview that some seem to find issue with is pretty standard in the U.K. - mainly competency based questions and the usual why BA etc.

The assessment process is partly about weeding out folk who waltz into the recruitment centre believing theyíre entitled to a job there ÖBA do not want this kind of person in their flightdecks.

The recruiters Iíve met have been very friendly and professional. That canít be said for some of the airlines Iíve interviewed for in other countries.

The fact that some people donít pass the BA assessment is not of course a reflection on the individual - but nor is it necessarily a sign that the assessment process itself is somehow flawed, and that only unpleasant individuals pass the assessment (complete rubbish in my experience). There are unpleasant individuals in every company and no, BA donít have the monopoly on them.
It's a shame that you are unwilling to accept that people have opinions which may not replicate yours. 'Hijacked' is a prime example of the pompousness that is referred to herein. You don't own this thread and should accept that it's a forum where people express their views.

I know a lot of pilots in BA, some are the nicest you could meet but others sadly fall into the category of being too far up their own backsides.

Nobody has come forward with an honest and logical answer to my question about CityFlyer pilots being allowed to continue flying the brand having been failed the BA selection process.
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Old 11th Jan 2023, 18:27
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Originally Posted by Confusious View Post
It's a shame that you are unwilling to accept that people have opinions which may not replicate yours. 'Hijacked' is a prime example of the pompousness that is referred to herein. You don't own this thread and should accept that it's a forum where people express their views.

I know a lot of pilots in BA, some are the nicest you could meet but others sadly fall into the category of being too far up their own backsides.

Nobody has come forward with an honest and logical answer to my question about CityFlyer pilots being allowed to continue flying the brand having been failed the BA selection process.
Stating the thread has been highjacked is a statement of fact, not a display of arrogance.
Nobody owns this thread, but its a thread on BA DEP recruitment, not an evaluation of the selection process.

Not passing the BA selection does not mean that BA think the individuals are not competent or unsafe.
They're not employed by BA either, so i really dont understand your point.
Do you think BA ban all people who failed selection, working for outsourced services such as oustation ground staff?
BA audits Cityflyer to ensure compliance with its required standards
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Old 11th Jan 2023, 18:46
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Originally Posted by SpamCanDriver View Post
Stating the thread has been highjacked is a statement of fact, not a display of arrogance.
Nobody owns this thread, but its a thread on BA DEP recruitment, not an evaluation of the selection process.

Not passing the BA selection does not mean that BA think the individuals are not competent or unsafe.
They're not employed by BA either, so i really dont understand your point.
Do you think BA ban all people who failed selection, working for outsourced services such as oustation ground staff?
BA audits Cityflyer to ensure compliance with its required standards
Actually BA pays their salaries directly so they do work for BA in every sense; flight numbers, uniforms, aircraft livery etc. etc...Now you're totally missing the meaning behind my question. To put it into simpler terms, what is an example of a substandard quality (selection process hoop(s) failure point) for BA that would be considered as an acceptable standard for CityFlyer and why?

Threads do drift, some more than others but this is at the very least loosely on piste.
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Old 12th Jan 2023, 10:38
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Will they open up DEP again?
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Old 12th Jan 2023, 11:09
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I am not a pilot, but I did work in Aviation.

I am a big fan of some properly tested Competency based interviews (CBIs) - when accompanied by appropriate technical interviews/tests.

What a lot of people do not realise is how much information they reveal about themselves in CBIs. Even if a candidate says little, the information is all usable.

CBIs might not be great for every candidate, but the properly tested CBIs are the best predictor of future performance.
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Old 12th Jan 2023, 13:58
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Originally Posted by Confusious View Post
To put it into simpler terms, what is an example of a substandard quality (selection process hoop(s) failure point) for BA that would be considered as an acceptable standard for CityFlyer and why?
I Really should stop biting, but...

I think someone further up suggested there's about 400 pilots at BACF (200 P1, 200P2). If all at the same base (I think EDI closed in the pandemic?), I reckon you'd not go much more that a year before flying with the same person - maybe 18 months max?

At BA SH theres currentcurrently 1400 pilots (700P1, 700P2), so almost double. I think when I joined it was 2 years before I flew with the same person twice. Even now its a comparative rarity.

Its a strage dynamic disappearing off for a 2-3-4 day multi sector tour with a guy youve just met, knowing youre likely to never see them again. Perhaps being a bad fit for that lifestyle could be a "substandard quality" that means you're not "good enough" for BA but more than acceptable for BACF?
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Old 12th Jan 2023, 14:51
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Originally Posted by thetimesreader84 View Post
I Really should stop biting, but...

I think someone further up suggested there's about 400 pilots at BACF (200 P1, 200P2). If all at the same base (I think EDI closed in the pandemic?), I reckon you'd not go much more that a year before flying with the same person - maybe 18 months max?

At BA SH theres currentcurrently 1400 pilots (700P1, 700P2), so almost double. I think when I joined it was 2 years before I flew with the same person twice. Even now its a comparative rarity.

Its a strage dynamic disappearing off for a 2-3-4 day multi sector tour with a guy youve just met, knowing youre likely to never see them again. Perhaps being a bad fit for that lifestyle could be a "substandard quality" that means you're not "good enough" for BA but more than acceptable for BACF?
Has anyone out there got anything better than this to add as a credible answer to the question?
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Old 12th Jan 2023, 18:31
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Originally Posted by Confusious View Post
Has anyone out there got anything better than this to add as a credible answer to the question?
Presumably BA Mainline have more applicants for spaces than Cityflyer do, so can simply have the bar set higher. Failing the interview doesnít mean youíre not a good fit by any means. Itís just that, on the day, you didnít meet the bar, wherever market forces have deemed it to be set.
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Old 12th Jan 2023, 18:38
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Originally Posted by VariablePitchP View Post
Presumably BA Mainline have more applicants for spaces than Cityflyer do, so can simply have the bar set higher. Failing the interview doesnít mean youíre not a good fit by any means. Itís just that, on the day, you didnít meet the bar, wherever market forces have deemed it to be set.
That one makes a lot more sense, thank you VPP.
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Old 16th Jan 2023, 20:31
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Would anybody be able to elaborate on the new assessment process?

As I understand it, an online evaluation before attending Day 1.

What does day 1 consist of, and if successful, are you invited for day 2 the following day, or do you need to book a day 2 assessment online again?

Iíll be traveling from abroad, so Iíd just like to get my ducks in a row before booking any assessments and having to change it later on.

Cheers!
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Old 16th Jan 2023, 22:56
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Originally Posted by RPat01 View Post
Would anybody be able to elaborate on the new assessment process?

As I understand it, an online evaluation before attending Day 1.

What does day 1 consist of, and if successful, are you invited for day 2 the following day, or do you need to book a day 2 assessment online again?

Iíll be traveling from abroad, so Iíd just like to get my ducks in a row before booking any assessments and having to change it later on.

Cheers!
As you imply, SHL tests completed online prior to attending assessment. Practise tests available on their website. Those get sent out about 5 or so days before you get to the new Day 1. Day 1 includes your interview, group exercise and the capacity test.

If you pass all that you get invited to book a date for the sim, which I guess is the the new Day 2.

The outcome from Day 1 gets sent out via emailÖi know for some people it has been as soon as the next day and for others it took 2 weeks to get the green light. If sim goes well youíll be placed in a hold pool or offered a TR or OCC course as appropriate on the A320.
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Old 17th Jan 2023, 15:13
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Good afternoon all,

Does anyone know when/if they will reopen recruitment for mainline anytime soon? I would consider BA more seriously at that fleet, have reservations about the low salary at EF.

Advertisement for Euroflyer mentions a salary of up to £65K. What is the basic salary from that? Projections of time to command there for someone potentially joining with 1500hrs jet?

Thank you for your thoughts. 👍🏻
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Old 25th Jan 2023, 18:37
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Good Evening all,

Has anyone who have recently been successful at the assessment get a start date for Euroflyer from the holding pool for Non-Type Rated ? I understand there were dates available for Type rating in February/March, anyone got anything in the months ahead?
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Old 25th Jan 2023, 20:23
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Hi Folks,

could anyone share some feedback on whatís coming up at the assessment day of the EF assessment, via this or even PM.

Appreciate any help in advance and best of luck to those applying.
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