British Airways Direct Entry Pilot

[Byrne11]

Originally Posted by clvf88

Does anyone know of any LH offers or is it all 320?

From colleagues who have went recently they were told 320. All had thousands of hours Boeing experience for what it’s worth.

[Smooth Airperator]

Assessors are going around looking at LinkedIn profiles. Make sure yours is squeaky clean

[Iflyplane]

Has anyone who had an interview last week, heard anything back yet?

[justinPOF]

Interview 12th, sim invite email 16th. Sim dates available at the time 20 and 24 Dec but unable to attend on those days - no new dates seen since.

JPOF

[Iflyplane]

Has anyone gone recently to the sim? Any feedback? Got mine next month 😅 Cheers

[srjumbo747]

What’s the current pay scale and pension contributions for DEP please?

[ItsonlyMeagain]

Morning

Been meaning to ask since this thread opened. Direct Entry Pilot…..?

I am familiar with the term and have even been a Direct Entry Captain (DEC). Here the pilot joins as a Captain, leapfrogging all first officers already employed. However, Direct Entry Pilot? How else do you join?

I’m sure someone will tell me.

Me

[clvf88]

Originally Posted by ItsonlyMeagain

Morning

Been meaning to ask since this thread opened. Direct Entry Pilot…..?

I am familiar with the term and have even been a Direct Entry Captain (DEC). Here the pilot joins as a Captain, leapfrogging all first officers already employed. However, Direct Entry Pilot? How else do you join?

I’m sure someone will tell me.

Me

Granted its a bit weird - I guess harks back to the days when new entrants would be via the cadet programme.

For what its worth - DECs don't leap frog anyone. They will always be junior to existing FOs in the company. They're simply filling LHS positions that no one currently in the company has bid for.

[Confusious]

Originally Posted by eagle21

Rumours of BA Cityflyer joining the BA mainline MSL to allow for a posible order of E195-E2s with over 134 seats (beyond scope agreement) and to address retention issues.

Does anyone else think that if this happens then BACF would have a perpetual recruitment problem?

[VariablePitchP]

Originally Posted by Confusious

Does anyone else think that if this happens then BACF would have a perpetual recruitment problem?

The opposite?

[bylgw]

Possibility: New entrants will be directed to CitiFlyer or EuroFlyer before being allowed to bid to the dangled mainline carrot.

[Confusious]

Does anyone else think that if this happens then BACF would have a perpetual recruitment problem?

Originally Posted by VariablePitchP

The opposite?

I have a few friends there who are in the top half of the BACF seniority list and they have would bid straight into a long haul command. Training Captains and Management Pilots included. How would they be replaced?

Also, if I had sat it out in Mainline waiting for a long haul command then I would be a little peeved to get pushed back down the ladder.

BALPA will be piggy in the middle with this one.

[Confusious]

Originally Posted by bylgw

Possibility: New entrants will be directed to CitiFlyer or EuroFlyer before being allowed to bid to the dangled mainline carrot.

It would have to be a no assessment rise to the almighty Big Airways because most BACF pilots do not jump through the traditional hoops successfully and then join other operators.

[kendrick47247]

Originally Posted by Confusious

I have a few friends there who are in the top half of the BACF seniority list and they have would bid straight into a long haul command. Training Captains and Management Pilots included. How would they be replaced?

Also, if I had sat it out in Mainline waiting for a long haul command then I would be a little peeved to get pushed back down the ladder.

BALPA will be piggy in the middle with this one.

Date of joining =/= Seniority

What makes you think any CF pilot would leapfrog anyone? Given the previous unpalatable situation of the BMI joiners…

[Confusious]

Originally Posted by eagle21

Rumours of BA Cityflyer joining the BA mainline MSL to allow for a posible order of E195-E2s with over 134 seats (beyond scope agreement) and to address retention issues.

Originally Posted by kendrick47247

Date of joining =/= Seniority

What makes you think any CF pilot would leapfrog anyone? Given the previous unpalatable situation of the BMI joiners…

I didn't start the PPRuNe rumour, see above 'Cityflyer joining the BA mainline MSL'. None of my friends have heard about this rumour BTW, so it could be a bit of wishful thinking by eagle21. Anyway, if you'd given 20 to 30 years service flying in the BA livery before and including CityFlyer would you accept being tagged onto the bottom of the list just so that BA could scrap the Scope Agreement? I wouldn't and I'd expect BALPA to fight my corner as I would if I were one of the Mainline pilots on the brink of a long haul command. CityFlyer pilots hold the trump card should a battle commence.

[Speed_Trim_Fail]

Originally Posted by bylgw

Possibility: New entrants will be directed to CitiFlyer or EuroFlyer before being allowed to bid to the dangled mainline carrot.

As far as I am aware those who applied for mainline and were successful have been offered mainline. Those who were successful for mainline but ticked the Euroflyer box have been offered the choice of either.

[sudden twang]

I thought BACF started about 2007 so how can anyone have 20-30 years service? Would 15 years be enough for a longhaul command?

[3Greens]

Originally Posted by sudden twang

I thought BACF started about 2007 so how can anyone have 20-30 years service? Would 15 years be enough for a longhaul command?

not even close

[Confusious]

Originally Posted by sudden twang

I thought BACF started about 2007 so how can anyone have 20-30 years service? Would 15 years be enough for a longhaul command?

Originally Posted by 3Greens

not even close

I suggest that you do some more homework. Prior to 2007 when the new CityFlyer was formed, there were several companies within which the CityFlyer pilots were employed. I'm not going to name them nor indeed tell you which ones were BA franchisees or wholly owned as all will be evident to you with a quick Google search. So, yes they do have sufficient seniority for a long haul command and they are definitely going to bid for them should the list be merged. As I said, wouldn't you?

[sudden twang]

Go on Confuscious give us a clue and would they go onto paypoint 24?