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Old 27th Jan 2023, 18:46
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Anyone non type-rated been called out of the pool for LHR recently?

Just wondering how long it is should one be successful at the simulator stage to actually getting the nod for a start date at the moment...
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Old 27th Jan 2023, 18:52
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Originally Posted by airspeed75 View Post
Anyone non type-rated been called out of the pool for LHR recently?

Just wondering how long it is should one be successful at the simulator stage to actually getting the nod for a start date at the moment...
how long have you been waiting currently ?
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Old 27th Jan 2023, 18:56
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how long have you been waiting currently ?
I'm not!

I'm just researching what the future would entail should I attend a simulator and be successful, also wondering if folk are getting EF offers and not mainline.
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Old 27th Jan 2023, 18:59
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Sim on a 13 Jan, email 17 Jan, phone call 18 Jan with offer of Apr start date iaw current notice period (NTR [email protected] - declined at interview and sim any potential EF offers)
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Old 27th Jan 2023, 19:11
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I suspect if not TR on the A32x, you’d be looking at a TR course no earlier than summer for LHR. Don’t hold me to that though. Once confirmed in the hold pool a kind soul might give you a slightly better idea. My understanding is if you only applied to LHR and didn’t tick yes to LGW, you won’t be offered LGW/EF.

Same advice I’d give to anyone applying for any other airline in the U.K. - don’t be handing in notices or making plans until you have a contract in your hand with a start date; expect a long and drawn out recruitment process with large gaps between applying, assessments and courses.

The only exception I can think of is Ryanair U.K. that want you on the line asap, and will process you very quickly. But this isn’t about them.
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Old 27th Jan 2023, 20:47
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I wonder how many are swimming and if LHR direct entry will reopen soonÖanyone on the inside hear anything?
Considering the T&Cís Jet2 and TUI offer, they definitely need to up the financial package for EF or offer a fast upgrade option there.
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Old 27th Jan 2023, 20:50
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Originally Posted by Raph737 View Post
I wonder how many are swimming and if LHR direct entry will reopen soonÖanyone on the inside hear anything?
Considering the T&Cís Jet2 and TUI offer, they definitely need to up the financial package for EF or offer a fast upgrade option there.
Apologies if I'm wrong, but isn't one of the carrots the possibility to bid into LHR, albeit further down the line?
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Old 27th Jan 2023, 21:22
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Originally Posted by Confusious View Post
Apologies if I'm wrong, but isn't one of the carrots the possibility to bid into LHR, albeit further down the line?
You are absolutely right! But Iím not sure how is that going to work having a ďparallelĒ operation and one master seniority list. I donít know if it will be any different that the BA main + BACF deal. They can make these promises but historically they donít keep them or there are caveats.

The package at EF is poor, should there be shortages at LHR they may be reluctant on transferring from EF as itís difficult to recruit for EF. It happened the same at BACF so Iím rather sceptical. I could be wrong, but the fact that they needed roadshows at LTN(snatching Wizz and Ezy crew?)and the help from recruitment agencies (not cheap) suggests there arenít enough applicants for EF.

They should open direct entry at LHR before any consideration in allowing transfers. Speculation I know, but thatís my two cents as an observer.

I think anyone who has the expectation that they are transferring to LHR after the fleet freeze in five years, donít know what BA is about unfortunately.

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Old 27th Jan 2023, 21:58
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Originally Posted by Raph737 View Post
You are absolutely right! But Iím not sure how is that going to work having a ďparallelĒ operation and one master seniority list. I donít know if it will be any different that the BA main + BACF deal. They can make these promises but historically they donít keep them or there are caveats.

The package at EF is poor, should there be shortages at LHR they may be reluctant on transferring from EF as itís difficult to recruit for EF. It happened the same at BACF so Iím rather sceptical. I could be wrong, but the fact that they needed roadshows at LTN(snatching Wizz and Ezy crew?)and the help from recruitment agencies (not cheap) suggests there arenít enough applicants for EF.

They should open direct entry at LHR before any consideration in allowing transfers. Speculation I know, but thatís my two cents as an observer.

I think anyone who has the expectation that they are transferring to LHR after the fleet freeze in five years, donít know what BA is about unfortunately.
Valid points about BA changing the goalposts with Mainline/BACF. I guess it all hinges on whether anything is written into the EF contract either directly or implied regarding the reliability of BA's promises.
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Old 28th Jan 2023, 04:02
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Originally Posted by Alrosa View Post
I suspect if not TR on the A32x, youíd be looking at a TR course no earlier than summer for LHR. Donít hold me to that though. Once confirmed in the hold pool a kind soul might give you a slightly better idea. My understanding is if you only applied to LHR and didnít tick yes to LGW, you wonít be offered LGW/EF.

Same advice Iíd give to anyone applying for any other airline in the U.K. - donít be handing in notices or making plans until you have a contract in your hand with a start date; expect a long and drawn out recruitment process with large gaps between applying, assessments and courses.

The only exception I can think of is Ryanair U.K. that want you on the line asap, and will process you very quickly. But this isnít about them.
Not very long and drawn out for me - between assessment day in Dec, Sim, and phone call with the job offer was a total of 14 days. Offered a course iaw my 3 month notice. Everyone's experience will be different, but it happened a lot quicker than I was expecting.
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Originally Posted by Snr View Post
Not very long and drawn out for me - between assessment day in Dec, Sim, and phone call with the job offer was a total of 14 days. Offered a course iaw my 3 month notice. Everyone's experience will be different, but it happened a lot quicker than I was expecting.
I should have perhaps made it clearer that individualsí experiences may vary. Some people have indeed moved through the BA assessment stages quite quickly.

I guess my underlying point was that things can and have changed very quickly at BA (sometimes overnight and with little warning) so this should be borne in mind by anyone applying or about to join.

Other than that, I think theyíre a good company to work for provided the arrangements suit. It doesnít suit all obviously.






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Old 28th Jan 2023, 11:32
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I wonder if they'll start prioritising FlyBe people now? I would have thought to do so would be fairer given they're out a job whereas others can wait it out at their current airlines.
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I wonder if they'll start prioritising FlyBe people now? I would have thought to do so would be fairer given they're out a job whereas others can wait it out at their current airlines.
Doubt it very much as they'll still prioritise those who they consider are the best fit. Hope I'm wrong though!
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Old 28th Jan 2023, 14:57
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I wonder if they'll start prioritising FlyBe people now? I would have thought to do so would be fairer given they're out a job whereas others can wait it out at their current airlines.
this was a contentious issue when virgin did a similar thing in the fallout of Monarch IIRC.

At the end of the day, BA will do whatever suits them, just as VS did in that case. I don't believe the perceived "fairness" to those who don't yet have a contract will come into it.
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Originally Posted by White Van Driver View Post
this was a contentious issue when virgin did a similar thing in the fallout of Monarch IIRC.

At the end of the day, BA will do whatever suits them, just as VS did in that case. I don't believe the perceived "fairness" to those who don't yet have a contract will come into it.
Yes this is true, and in hindsight perhaps it's fair enough that those already in the pool are given equal weighting.
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Old 7th Feb 2023, 11:45
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Hey all

I've recently been told I was successful for A320 DEP NTR LHR hold pool... this was perhaps a couple of weeks ago. Just wondered if anyone knows how long it takes these days to get a date? Anyone know anyone who has had a call recently?

Thanks
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Old 7th Feb 2023, 21:47
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BA Cityflyer to be solf off

​​Heard a very strong rumour today that KLM are in negotiations with IAG to buy Cityflyer. Anyone else heard of it yet?
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Old 7th Feb 2023, 22:09
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​​Heard a very strong rumour today that KLM are in negotiations with IAG to buy Cityflyer. Anyone else heard of it yet?
Why would they get rid of cityhopper only to buy cityflyer?

Aren't they supposedly interested in the flybe slots too?

Would this affect BA DEP recruitment or something? Or is this suited to another thread...
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Old 7th Feb 2023, 22:28
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Originally Posted by V1VRV2VF View Post
Why would they get rid of cityhopper only to buy cityflyer?

Aren't they supposedly interested in the flybe slots too?

Would this affect BA DEP recruitment or something? Or is this suited to another thread...
I think it's more a case of expanding rather than getting rid.
Yes, Flybe slots as well.
Not sure about affect on BA recruitment and couldn't find a more suitable thread to post it.
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Originally Posted by V1VRV2VF View Post
Hey all

I've recently been told I was successful for A320 DEP NTR LHR hold pool... this was perhaps a couple of weeks ago. Just wondered if anyone knows how long it takes these days to get a date? Anyone know anyone who has had a call recently?

Thanks
I've been in the pool since pre-covid (i.e. several years) and still no start date.
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