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Jet2, Tui Or Ryanair?

Old 12th Feb 2020, 15:35
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Jet2 is 3000 factored hours to apply, a good recent training history and 6 months post FLC for a new joiner. It is now a positive and rewarding process if you manage to jump through the many hoops they have created.

Similar to RYR however things are starting to slow down depending on your base preference, slots will forever be available in LBA for example but the Boeing que for MAN is currently 35 people long and growing, with the majority currently biding their time in LBA for at least a year. Also all 757 pilots have recently been told they are guaranteed a place in MAN once the fleet goes in 23/24 in their current role.
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Old 26th Feb 2020, 19:10
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I know nobody has a crystal ball to predict the future, but how is Brexit going to affect Jet2 in the future? Will they still have their ALC base?
How big is the holding pool for 737 FO's and is there any timeline for next recruitment drives?
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Old 26th Feb 2020, 21:46
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The ALC base is long established and having recently invested in quite a bit of airport property at the overseas bases I would imagine their future is quite secure, if anything I would expect more bases to open in a few years once the dust has settled.

As for the 737... everything, and I do mean everything, has turned its focus onto the Airbus program and the mad scramble to get it up and running in the next few weeks. Things will start up again but if I had to guess I would say they are crewed up for this season and it will be Autumn before it starts again.
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Old 26th Feb 2020, 22:58
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Unhappy

TUI seems to have the better working conditions
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Old 9th Mar 2020, 18:29
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As a long term prospective employer you donít have to look much further than the three airlines very varying loyalty to those recently employed/ in holding pools, and response to the challenges the wiser airline community currently face in the near to mid future.

from very good sources I understand one of the following statements can be linked to each of the OPs identified three airlines.

Airline a) cutting and carving crews with abandon.

Airline b) informing those in the hold pool they are no longer needed after assuring those passing assessment they were needed (meanwhile continuing to assess further candidates)

Airline c) securing everybody in employment and keeping promises and looking to mitigate the challenges by offering crews part time/unpaid summer leave/varying flexible Agreed options

It may be possible to determine who A who B and who C are, I also understand C also owns their own hotels, ocean liners have good loss of licence/PHI benefits as well as concessionary travel amongst many perks. If anecdotal evidence proves to be true then thereís a varying degree of loyalty to newly started/holding pool individuals

itís fair to say low cost suits some people, but there are many benefits to a more upmarket airline that others may enjoy. In simple terms do your research in each case and ascertain how you want to be treated through your career. And how desperate you are for the left hand seat. Prob 24 months difference for the right candidate from the more basic low cost airline/ to the less low cost airline cheap and cheerful holiday/ to the more upmarket airline/tour operator.
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Old 9th Mar 2020, 18:40
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Ryr just had their pay proposal in the UK voted down.

In the proposal was a payrise of about 0.7% a year for capts, and a huge 80,000 cut for new upgrades over a period of 8 years...

They have thrown their toys out the pram so badly, they have forced STN and EDI bases to a 5/3 roster at their latest attempt to threaten and blackmail staff to accept another paycut....
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Old 9th Mar 2020, 23:45
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Originally Posted by karanou View Post
As a long term prospective employer you don’t have to look much further than the three airlines very varying loyalty to those recently employed/ in holding pools, and response to the challenges the wiser airline community currently face in the near to mid future.

from very good sources I understand one of the following statements can be linked to each of the OPs identified three airlines.

Airline a) cutting and carving crews with abandon.

Airline b) informing those in the hold pool they are no longer needed after assuring those passing assessment they were needed (meanwhile continuing to assess further candidates)

Airline c) securing everybody in employment and keeping promises and looking to mitigate the challenges by offering crews part time/unpaid summer leave/varying flexible Agreed options

It may be possible to determine who A who B and who C are, I also understand C also owns their own hotels, ocean liners have good loss of licence/PHI benefits as well as concessionary travel amongst many perks. If anecdotal evidence proves to be true then there’s a varying degree of loyalty to newly started/holding pool individuals

it’s fair to say low cost suits some people, but there are many benefits to a more upmarket airline that others may enjoy. In simple terms do your research in each case and ascertain how you want to be treated through your career. And how desperate you are for the left hand seat. Prob 24 months difference for the right candidate from the more basic low cost airline/ to the less low cost airline cheap and cheerful holiday/ to the more upmarket airline/tour operator.
Karanou which one of these airlines will make you redundant the quickest? Tip ask a 100 from 2010, there’s no loyalty from airlines when times are tough. Make your choice based on what works for you and any mouthes you need to feed.

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Old 10th Mar 2020, 04:40
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What he said. May I add, in this time and age there is simply no need for charter operations.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 06:52
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Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s View Post
What he said. May I add, in this time and age there is simply no need for charter operations.
High load factors and record bookings, even in the current climate, would suggest otherwise.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 09:04
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Passengers on UK Charter Airlines also have ATOL protection, which many members of the public, regrettably, have used of late.

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Old 10th Mar 2020, 13:01
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Originally Posted by Captain Spam Can View Post
Karanou which one of these airlines will make you redundant the quickest? Tip ask a 100 from 2010, thereís no loyalty from airlines when times are tough. Make your choice based on what works for you and any mouthes you need to feed.
I think we are on roughly the same page there.

I guess the more aggressive business model company will likely cut you adrift more clinically as you are purely an asset to be used and abused. With a great view from the office window of course! In the same circumstance as present news I think you can plainly see who would cut you adrift at the slightest challenge to the airline, then who you may have slightly more loyalty from and who would actually keep you as far as practicable. The proof is in the three respective actions recently. I understand my account to be reasonably factual as Iíve sources in all three airlines. Itís there itís as factual as I can be. It appears to be happening thus .

We all have differing circumstances, outlook and life experience. And view of the future. With this in mind and considering the chance of which outfit has a stronger long term future, the truth is nobody really knows. However you may also, have to factor in the OP question about the three B737 outifits and relate summararily the potential from the non B737 operators who are aggressively currently muscling into the charter/package holiday market. EasyJet are a very strong and wealthy airline and in the three quoted airlines I think itís fair to say, and I stand correcting here, are looking to enter the market somewhere in a similar position to Jet2. Iím no expert but my understanding is that Ryanair are still a point to point low cost operator.

However, If RYR/Wizz et al also look to follow ezy move, and look for reach further into this area of opportunity by business model amendment then you may well have 4 airlines now in the lower echelons of the holiday package market (donít quote me on this.... and if MOL is reading - you donít need to go here it will cost you too much money. Honestly) 🙂 then all vying for the same hotels same routes trying to expand continually. That would become quite a cat fight god forbid it happened.

Ill be honest on a personal travel level then the days of me buying stand alone stuff has plateaued. I still do it in certain circumstance but have gone back to the full covered package in recent times. For reasons stated in a post above

Interesting times indeed. Itís certainly time to do very far and wide research when looking to select your career airline. I still maintain being treated right with respect and humility is important to many people. Some will accept anything under the guise of company propaganda. But Conversely many will have the ability to see outside this.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 13:55
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Originally Posted by mustbeaboeing View Post
Passengers on UK Charter Airlines also have ATOL protection, which many members of the public, regrettably, have used of late.
On a similar note, only one of the above airlines is repatriating all of their customers from Italy this week.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 14:05
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Massive thread drift but TUI and particularly Jet2 have little to fear from Easyjet or God forbid, Ryanair, entering into the package holiday market.

It's called customer service. The latter two dont have any. They are fine to get a cheap return ticket to a city of your choice but no way would any sane individual trust their yearly family holiday to be run be either of them. For sure they will be cheap, but you will get what you pay for.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 14:30
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Update!

Here is a quick question for all of You:
Is anyone hiring as of the last week? Ie, Has any of You been on courses that has been canceled etc?
I know there is a slight delay , especially in larger airlines, but quite frankly, any airline that has not stopped ANY hiring until further notice must be severely out of touch with reality.
Same goes for upgrades.
Good luck to all.

BTW
I took a rather dead end job in 1989 as an instructor and finally got my Class3 Instructor , as opposed to some of my more picky classmates in Gimli that only hung around places with twin aircraft.
I knew the economy was slowing down.
Found out what Resession was like ,the hard way, and here we go again!
Its all about economy and longterm goals,,,
Regards
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 15:13
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Originally Posted by karanou View Post
As a long term prospective employer you donít have to look much further than the three airlines very varying loyalty to those recently employed/ in holding pools, and response to the challenges the wiser airline community currently face in the near to mid future.

from very good sources I understand one of the following statements can be linked to each of the OPs identified three airlines.

Airline a) cutting and carving crews with abandon.

Airline b) informing those in the hold pool they are no longer needed after assuring those passing assessment they were needed (meanwhile continuing to assess further candidates)

Airline c) securing everybody in employment and keeping promises and looking to mitigate the challenges by offering crews part time/unpaid summer leave/varying flexible Agreed options

It may be possible to determine who A who B and who C are, I also understand C also owns their own hotels, ocean liners have good loss of licence/PHI benefits as well as concessionary travel amongst many perks. If anecdotal evidence proves to be true then thereís a varying degree of loyalty to newly started/holding pool individuals

itís fair to say low cost suits some people, but there are many benefits to a more upmarket airline that others may enjoy. In simple terms do your research in each case and ascertain how you want to be treated through your career. And how desperate you are for the left hand seat. Prob 24 months difference for the right candidate from the more basic low cost airline/ to the less low cost airline cheap and cheerful holiday/ to the more upmarket airline/tour operator.
With the greatest possible respect,
this sounds like you are trying to sell things to yourself, based on a decision you made. Did you recently join, or are planning to join TUI?

Upmarket airline? The passengers are the same bog-standard mix you get on any European airline. They get on, have a drink, buy a bit of food and duty free. Then they get off. Sounds a bit pretentious to pretend otherwise. ĎUpmarketí would be flying in First or Business on a full service airline.

Regarding securing peopleís futures... they didnít about 10 years ago. And like all airlines theyíll do whatever they need to do this time around. Some guys who joined recently are being forced on to a fleet they didnít want (permanently) after being promised something else. Just like other airlines do.

I wasnít aware of B telling the hold pool it wasnít needed, but I will enquire this week. Sounds like a load of rubbish.

More fake news and misinformation probably.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 15:50
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Did the TUI brigade see what the Company did to their Colleagues in TUIfly Nordic?

Business as usual.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 16:37
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“With the greatest possible respect,
this sounds like you are trying to sell things to yourself, based on a decision you made. Did you recently join, or are planning to join TUI?”

Not personally, but for balance person giving me the lowdown may have this angle.

“I wasn’t aware of B telling the hold pool it wasn’t needed, but I will enquire this week. Sounds like a load of rubbish”

Maybe a wise move go ask the question prior posting publicly. I have it on good authority they dropped people like a hot potato. ‘after assessing, placing in a hold pool then confirming - the job no longer exists’ happy to be corrected should you find out different. Again I may be off the mark happy for you to correct me if this is the case.


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Old 10th Mar 2020, 18:10
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Originally Posted by karanou View Post
Maybe a wise move go ask the question prior posting publicly. I have it on good authority they dropped people like a hot potato. Ďafter assessing, placing in a hold pool then confirming - the job no longer existsí happy to be corrected should you find out different. Again I may be off the mark happy for you to correct me if this is the case.
Can you clarify, do you mean after they were put into a hold pool or after they had been offered a start date ?
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 20:23
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I know people in the hold pool with B, and I havenít heard that.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 23:27
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Would not have thought this a few weeks ago, but, if I had to choose between these three in the current climate, I would delay that choice as long as possible. To misquote, 'it's only when the tide has gone out, do you discover who isn't wearing a swimsuit'.
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