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Jet2, Tui Or Ryanair?

Old 30th Sep 2019, 21:30
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The fact that we are now talking about Ryanair ‘Mainline’ vs Ryanair Buzz/Ryanair Sun alongside Laudamotion says everything. The term ‘divide & conquer’ has been synonymous with FR for as long as I care to remember. You can talk all you like about 5/4 rosters and a more pragmatic approach from flight ops; the same line of defence existed when I was there. Senior management have a bee in their bonnet when it comes to crew; it’s their way or the highway and that makes for a pretty uncomfortable feeling.
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 08:45
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Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns View Post
I have never once been rostered 5 days of actual flying in a row at J2, I think I was rostered 4 once!
Lucky you....... you’re obviously not on the same type, seat and base as me. 🤪
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 13:17
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I left RYR for TUI 2 years ago after a 7 year stint. Do I miss it? God no. 7 years of not being able to get a mortgage due to the questionable tax-dodging self employed contract I was on, a month's unpaid leave every year which of course was not the month you wanted. Zero pension for 7 years of my career. 12-hour standbys under house arrest which you don't get paid a penny for unless you get called. Command upgrades requiring a "mandatory base move" even though my UK base was desperate for commanders. Meanwhile senior TRE's telling me I should stay put because the package they're on is amazing and that could be me one day...pass the sick bag. It's only now I realise how soul-destroying 5x 4 & 6 sector days are compared to the 2 sectors I fly now - i'm actually enjoying my job and my spare time more since I'm not spending it sleeping. It's stockholm syndrome at it's finest - some at RYR will tell you how good it is (I was one of them!) but you simply don't realise until you break free. Things may have changed there since, but I can only reflect on the reasons why I left at the time.

I can only speak for TUI, but I believe at J2 life is also a massive improvement.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 13:45
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Even though some things may have changed for the better temporarily at Ryanair they are still a terrible company in my book and should be avoided if at all possible. That includes their group companies as well of course.
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Old 28th Dec 2019, 09:09
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Personally I would say Jet2, Tui and Ryanair in that order.

Things have improved recently at Jet2 and Ryanair but as the post above says Ryanair still have a way to go. Tui seems to be in a state of flux right now aircraft wise maybe with a lack of aircraft and Jet2 seem to be going towards Airbus which might be a shrewd business move. I worry that Jet2 might be biting off more than they can chew sometimes but you have to be aggressive I guess in business, look at Ryanair.

Just my thoughts based on some experience.
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Old 5th Jan 2020, 13:21
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Any B737 jobs out there?

I just ran into a few old friends that was a bit frustrated with present employer.
Can any of You be so kind and update us on who is taking Senior FOs and Direct Entry Captains in Europe.
Just out of pure curiosity: Is RYR active whatsoever with regards to recruitment?
Does Norwegian need pilots when the Max comes?
Interesting year ahead.

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Old 5th Jan 2020, 14:30
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I understand that Jet2 have suspended B737 recruitment temporarily. I have a disappointed close relative who was very keen to transfer to them, as a good friend who is already there, had very positive things to say about employment and morale at Jet2. Timing was just wrong, which was a shame as the relative had the hours and experience and was looking to relocate anywhere just to be back in the uk.
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Old 6th Jan 2020, 07:40
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Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes View Post
I understand that Jet2 have suspended B737 recruitment temporarily. I have a disappointed close relative who was very keen to transfer to them, as a good friend who is already there, had very positive things to say about employment and morale at Jet2. Timing was just wrong, which was a shame as the relative had the hours and experience and was looking to relocate anywhere just to be back in the uk.
as you say, it’s a temporary suspension due to extremely low attrition rates. Airbus seems to be the belle of the ball at the moment. Some movement from the 737 fleet may see things pick up again
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Old 6th Jan 2020, 11:26
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Anybody know the latest re Alicante? Will the base last and have I any chance of a DEC? (9,000hrs plus mostly baby bus)

just for clarity J2 specifically

appreciate it
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Old 6th Jan 2020, 11:39
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Plenty have come to Tui from both ryanair and J2, don’t know of any who have gone the other way...
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Old 6th Jan 2020, 13:33
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Loads of people came back to Ryanair from jet2. However, that seems to have slowed or stopped, as jet2 took measures to improve things, while net pay dropped at Ryanair (combination of less flying, and now full tax on every single penny, allowance removed despite massive list of out of pocket costs), along with significant threats to job security.
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Old 6th Jan 2020, 17:17
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Loads
Can you quantify that?

You make it sound like there were numerous, whereas I believe that number to be very few indeed.
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Old 6th Jan 2020, 17:24
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Historically people did not come back to J2 from TUI but those days have ended. Several returns from TUI are in the system for this training season, and I personally know two recent rejoiners: one from BA and one from Virgin, both citing lifestyle, the former felt like just a number at BA, the latter wanted to be home to see his kids grow up. I was pleasently surprised to see a grown up response to their returns from the company, no interview was required just a quick sim check to keep HR happy and within, 6 months they both were on command courses.
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Old 7th Jan 2020, 17:45
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I think the fact remains that TUI is still a very good company to be part of and mainly due to its legacy conditions. These conditions have been watered down significantly over the year, but relative to other airlines, they are good. But the pressure is relentless from management to reduce the lifestyle.

What seems to be clear is that Jet2 have had to up their game significantly in recent years in order to attract the pilots they need, commensurate with their expansion plans. Jet2 is now significantly larger than the TUI uk fleet.

I work for TUI and worry that Jet2 offer a superior holiday product to TUI. Once the public wake up to this, I fear for TUI!
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 03:12
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Drinking out of a puddle is the alternative faced a thirsty person.
Ryan air is toxic.
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Old 4th Feb 2020, 11:07
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I left Jet2 to return to Ryanair. I wouldn't describe Ryanair as toxic more that if you know what you're getting and more importantly not getting and can live with that and enjoy it then you'll get along just fine. Quick commands at both RYR and Jet2 but several years wait at Tui i believe.

The 5/4 roster was the reason for me, I can plan for my kids now and as ones just started school and another starting next year it works a treat for us.

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Old 4th Feb 2020, 18:23
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Originally Posted by Well Used View Post
Quick commands at both RYR and Jet2 but several years wait at Tui i believe.
Oh the irony! No long ago, time to command at TUI was around 15 years. To wait less than 5 years is simply extraordinary. And appears now to be taken for granted!
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Old 4th Feb 2020, 19:16
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Time and hrs to command!

Just out of curiosity: What is the hrs needed and time to command in Jet2 and RYR now.
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Old 4th Feb 2020, 22:02
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Last I heard a few months ago, in Ryanair it is 2900 hours plus at least a winter season in the company and two good previous sim sessions.
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Old 11th Feb 2020, 19:20
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Indeed Banana Joe, but last upgrade finished linetraining late fall, or rather an OCC that I ran into. He just made the last course last summer I believe.
So the question is rather when is the next upgrade planned.
Lots of FOs with way past 2900hrs now. Mind you some are not flying much this winter, rumor has.
Any updates form the upgrades in RYR and other 737 operators, anyone?
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