BA pilots vote to strike
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There are two sides out there and only one playing cricket.
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Is that it? The same offer is now accepted?
BALPA to recommend acceptance.............
https://www.theguardian.com/business...pay-settlement
95% voted in favour of action, 2 days of strike.
Striking pilots lose Staff Travel privileges.
No increase in pay offered.
No Profit Share.
........and BALPA think this merits acceptance?
https://www.theguardian.com/business...pay-settlement
95% voted in favour of action, 2 days of strike.
Striking pilots lose Staff Travel privileges.
No increase in pay offered.
No Profit Share.
........and BALPA think this merits acceptance?
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BALPA to recommend acceptance.............
https://www.theguardian.com/business...pay-settlement
95% voted in favour of action, 2 days of strike.
Striking pilots lose Staff Travel privileges.
No increase in pay offered.
No Profit Share.
........and BALPA think this merits acceptance?
https://www.theguardian.com/business...pay-settlement
95% voted in favour of action, 2 days of strike.
Striking pilots lose Staff Travel privileges.
No increase in pay offered.
No Profit Share.
........and BALPA think this merits acceptance?
I think we need to wait and see the full details and maybe find out (if we ever do) what was being threatened if the pilots had walked out again but initially it's disappointing to say the least.
BA BALPA is going to lose members, that's for sure, and listening to some conversations/reading some thoughts last night it could well cost BA some pilots - certainly some of the younger cohort are talking about commands, command pay, and whether a career at BA makes economic sense anymore (if it ever did for them)
Elsewhere (?DEP thread) I mentioned the possibility of this dispute ending badly for the Union. If asked today then using a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is complete destruction of the Union, 5 is neutral, and 10 is the Union winning hands down ATM I'm finding it difficult to give BALPA more than 3 out of 10 ...
BTW having gone through the last BACC bulletin I'm struggling to find anything that ties in with the Guardian claim that:
Anyone clue me in on that, because I can't see any mention of improvement in official comms?
BA BALPA is going to lose members, that's for sure, and listening to some conversations/reading some thoughts last night it could well cost BA some pilots - certainly some of the younger cohort are talking about commands, command pay, and whether a career at BA makes economic sense anymore (if it ever did for them)
Elsewhere (?DEP thread) I mentioned the possibility of this dispute ending badly for the Union. If asked today then using a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is complete destruction of the Union, 5 is neutral, and 10 is the Union winning hands down ATM I'm finding it difficult to give BALPA more than 3 out of 10 ...
BTW having gone through the last BACC bulletin I'm struggling to find anything that ties in with the Guardian claim that:
The deal also offers improvements to working conditions, including rosters.
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You’re being generous wiggy. This is complete capitulation. The union spinning of the proposed disruption agreement is shameful. Having handed over the Crown Jewels without a whimper, they will now come for the last few remaining trimmings. All west coast will be 3 day trips. Next will be working to easa crewing limits. 2 crew YVR, SEA etc.
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Maybe at last a time for all UK pilots to migrate to a different Union, either an existing one or a new one. Not only at BA has balpa been a complete and utter abject failure.
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Elsewhere (?DEP thread) I mentioned the possibility of this dispute ending badly for the Union. If asked today then using a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is complete destruction of the Union, 5 is neutral, and 10 is the Union winning hands down ATM I'm finding it difficult to give BALPA more than 3 out of 10 ...
The Union was under serious existential threat from the moment an inexperienced militant bunch of reps were installed by a proportion of the membership who believed, if only the table had been banged harder in previous negotiations we would be in a much better place now. With the associated false narrative that newer members had somehow been sold down the river by a previous ‘compliant’ BACC!! So here we now are! A union on the brink of extinction.
Congratulations!
It’s now pretty obvious the previous bunch deserve more respect for their experience and their ‘craft’?
From September 2018 the resultant disappointment was depressingly inevitable. Either the membership would get a strike... and be disappointed. Or they wouldn’t get a strike... and be disappointed. It is important to realise, the error here wasn’t a mishandled strike. It was the mistaken beliefs that led to striking in the first place.
Some thought the threat of more militancy would deliver a better pay deal.... It didn’t
Some thought the threat of balloting would deliver a better pay deal. .... It didn’t
Some thought balloting would deliver a better pay deal. .... It didn’t
Some thought a powerful result would make BA blink. .... It didn’t
Some thought announcing dates would have BA quaking in their boots. .... It didn’t
Some thought mounting a ‘successful’ strike would bring BA to it’s knees. .....It didn’t
Some STILL think only more strike action will deliver a better pay deal!!
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I don't have a dog in this fight other than the hope BA keep their conditions as good as possible for theirs and everyone's sake. Ryanair CC bottled their opportunity in 2018 through poor cross border coordination and now in 2019 look what is happening there... BA CC have had their chance in 2019 and as expected look to have bottled it also. BA know that Balpa are not brave enough to really hurt the company and strike for a week and as such have no reason to give Any ground, not now, not ever. You can try again in 5 years, just hope they haven't destroyed the place before then. As for Balpa.. Is anyone surprised?
“The asymmetry advantage enjoyed by the employer is not by accident.”..
The RMT have recently announced twenty seven days of IA over Christmas under the same labour laws as us. The railway unions regularly shut london down inconveniencing millions of commuters till they get their employers to come to the table.
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This bewildering capitulation just cannot be understated. I can only imagine the reps have been offered large brown envelopes under the table if this goes through.
I think the big big stuff up was the initial tactics plus I suspect many of the reps and some of the members didn't really predicte the "ferocity" of the company's response....A two day block of IA was never going to cut it..after all BA has had plenty of practice at dealing with two day of disruption so all it really did was give the company an opportunity to demonstrate it's will and then the pilots had time to stew over the possible consequences before any further further call to arms.
More than 12 weeks into the dispute period heaven knows what else the company has "offered" the reps if there is a return to IA under the existing mandate but I can guess it won't be money in brown envelopes...
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There is only ever one way to win IA in this modern age, stated in this thread several times and successfully demonstrated by RMT over and over again; the nuclear option that forced BA shareholders to step in.
Unfortunately, BALPA didn't have the balls to pull it off. They pretended to... but nope, nothing there. Some actually defended calling off the 3rd day of strike as a stroke of genius - but as most suspected, it was in fact capitulation. Couldn't even follow through with that.
So now, be prepared for the comeback. The shareholders are demanding a lesson you won't forget, and who's going to stop them?
Unfortunately, BALPA didn't have the balls to pull it off. They pretended to... but nope, nothing there. Some actually defended calling off the 3rd day of strike as a stroke of genius - but as most suspected, it was in fact capitulation. Couldn't even follow through with that.
So now, be prepared for the comeback. The shareholders are demanding a lesson you won't forget, and who's going to stop them?
Source for that claim?
IMHO if you look at the details of the proposed settlement most shareholders won't be too upset with how this looks like ending up (subject to acceptance).
IMHO if you look at the details of the proposed settlement most shareholders won't be too upset with how this looks like ending up (subject to acceptance).
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Apples & Oranges
The strike, instead of creating greater unity has unfortunately only engendered division.
The net result, regrettably, despite the efforts of BACC / BALPA, is that many will add 1% to the 11.5% in this proposal.
The rail workers do not need Staff Travel to get to work, many pilots do and this necessity has been fully exploited in this dispute.
The strike, instead of creating greater unity has unfortunately only engendered division.
The net result, regrettably, despite the efforts of BACC / BALPA, is that many will add 1% to the 11.5% in this proposal.
The strike, instead of creating greater unity has unfortunately only engendered division.
The net result, regrettably, despite the efforts of BACC / BALPA, is that many will add 1% to the 11.5% in this proposal.
I have no idea what direct feedback the reps got during after the initial IA so the following is just my guess:
I don't think the shock of losing Staff Travel is/was the reason for halting IA after just two days...or at least it really shouldn't have been, given the warnings and what BA have done in the past. Also many seasoned staff travellers over time have come up with options for a work around (e.g; LoCo, drive, train) though I do accept a few are very exposed.
I think the much bigger issue for many might have been the imaginative way "strike day" rosters were constructed and then how pay was docked for trips that didn't get flown.
As for parallels with the rail dispute..same basic industrial relations environment, yes, but different trainset when it comes to management attitude and customer options.
I don't think the shock of losing Staff Travel is/was the reason for halting IA after just two days...or at least it really shouldn't have been, given the warnings and what BA have done in the past. Also many seasoned staff travellers over time have come up with options for a work around (e.g; LoCo, drive, train) though I do accept a few are very exposed.
I think the much bigger issue for many might have been the imaginative way "strike day" rosters were constructed and then how pay was docked for trips that didn't get flown.
As for parallels with the rail dispute..same basic industrial relations environment, yes, but different trainset when it comes to management attitude and customer options.