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Can anyone shed some light on the following:
-Is the winter one-month vacation assigned in a single block or can it be used in parts to supplement the 7 days OFF per rotation?
-With the establishment of a new AOC and extensive hiring of ICAO-licensed pilots, will European pilots get predominantly projects in Europe?
-Is the winter one-month vacation assigned in a single block or can it be used in parts to supplement the 7 days OFF per rotation?
-With the establishment of a new AOC and extensive hiring of ICAO-licensed pilots, will European pilots get predominantly projects in Europe?
pilots with icao are hired to feed gaps, Brazil AOC is another dream. In summer you will not have regular rest and days off, roster responsible is well known as best killer as was awarded by company last year.
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Thanks for the insightful comments. But what about winter roster? Are you actually on base 23 days on, 7 days off, not doing much? Or are they offering you to "buy" extra off days, like their competitors do, i.e. stay at home more in exchange for a lower service provision fee?
As a side comment, there's no denial that someone looking for a more stable life would rather be fighting for a spot in their local legacy or LCC carrier that would allow them to return home after most, if not all flights. So, ACMI is largely left to either youngsters looking for flight hours that would allow them to take the next step or guys in a more advanced stage in life with grown-up kids who don't mind working hard over the summer in exchange for a quiet winter with some basic salary still coming in every month.
As a side comment, there's no denial that someone looking for a more stable life would rather be fighting for a spot in their local legacy or LCC carrier that would allow them to return home after most, if not all flights. So, ACMI is largely left to either youngsters looking for flight hours that would allow them to take the next step or guys in a more advanced stage in life with grown-up kids who don't mind working hard over the summer in exchange for a quiet winter with some basic salary still coming in every month.
Only half a speed-brake
What makes you believe any past rostering arrangements, individual or fleetwide, are indicative what you may encounter after joining?
Similar can be asked about the advertised / promoted rotations.
Oh boy, annual leave at Emirates is not what's written on the paper, duty patterns at Qatar are not what their own regulation require (ever pending the upcoming change to re-align: the regulations!).
It is the end of May, if you are fishing in this barrel then sure choice grab AvEx now and make the most of it. In experience and widening own horizons, then go thrive elsewhere.
Similar can be asked about the advertised / promoted rotations.
Oh boy, annual leave at Emirates is not what's written on the paper, duty patterns at Qatar are not what their own regulation require (ever pending the upcoming change to re-align: the regulations!).
It is the end of May, if you are fishing in this barrel then sure choice grab AvEx now and make the most of it. In experience and widening own horizons, then go thrive elsewhere.
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Thanks for the insightful comments. But what about winter roster? Are you actually on base 23 days on, 7 days off, not doing much? Or are they offering you to "buy" extra off days, like their competitors do, i.e. stay at home more in exchange for a lower service provision fee?
As a side comment, there's no denial that someone looking for a more stable life would rather be fighting for a spot in their local legacy or LCC carrier that would allow them to return home after most, if not all flights. So, ACMI is largely left to either youngsters looking for flight hours that would allow them to take the next step or guys in a more advanced stage in life with grown-up kids who don't mind working hard over the summer in exchange for a quiet winter with some basic salary still coming in every month.
As a side comment, there's no denial that someone looking for a more stable life would rather be fighting for a spot in their local legacy or LCC carrier that would allow them to return home after most, if not all flights. So, ACMI is largely left to either youngsters looking for flight hours that would allow them to take the next step or guys in a more advanced stage in life with grown-up kids who don't mind working hard over the summer in exchange for a quiet winter with some basic salary still coming in every month.
ACMIs also attract tax dodgers due to zero tax paid at source. It's the extra dough that makes the whole experience even remotely worthwhile.
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As far as I am concerned, no one had anything else than 8 days off +2 positioning unless you sold them. Seems like someone got rejected... Or maybe not promoted to captain?
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The sooner you will have realized that most of the people are runaways from dubious outfits or kicked out from decent ones ,from ground to flight depts the better will be the explanation of everything mentioned in this thread for everybody.
The unpresentable characters have been sent away since we have a rock bottom too but ,hey guys we need also to keep running the show here...
Obviously that goes in our favor because the more we need to attract people the more our salaries will keep going high,until taxation office doesn't catch us and we will need to sell our souls
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I had a nice car and i had to sell it when i have been caught,i had to beg the company to let me fly ,luckily is over now.
i would have never dreamed about these figures but it is demand-offer rule.
You choose...
The sooner you will have realized that most of the people are runaways from dubious outfits or kicked out from decent ones ,from ground to flight depts the better will be the explanation of everything mentioned in this thread for everybody.
The unpresentable characters have been sent away since we have a rock bottom too but ,hey guys we need also to keep running the show here...
Obviously that goes in our favor because the more we need to attract people the more our salaries will keep going high,until taxation office doesn't catch us and we will need to sell our souls
!I had a nice car and i had to sell it when i have been caught,i had to beg the company to let me fly ,luckily is over now.
i would have never dreamed about these figures but it is demand-offer rule.
You choose...
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ASG group , avoid it like the plague. I think your average prostitute has better job security and a more legal contract in lithuania than any pilot that works for any company in that group.
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Bad experience with Avion Express
Dear Pilots.
I myself had a very bad experience in Avion Express and also heard some of my friends having it aslo.
Writing this to warn others so they dont experience the same:
in short here is what I experienced:
I payed 25000 euros to get at least 500 hours through EagleJet.
I start line training and get 14.75 hours. I get stopped on my line training and sent home. No reason given why.
I wait for about 1 month with no news on when I will continue line training. I get asked to be a support sim in prague on very short notice. It says start time on schedule and I was there then. I should have been there 2 hours before for briefing so after helping the company they decide to terminate me.
I get no refund from Avion Express but get 5000 euros back from EagleJet. I loose 20000 euros on this and also they are evil enough to wait 3-4 weeks until Avion Express tell me I am terminated so I miss out on finding another pilot job for the summer season.
Never experienced such an unpleasant evil thing.
Have heard this company have treated others bad also so please be aware.
I myself had a very bad experience in Avion Express and also heard some of my friends having it aslo.
Writing this to warn others so they dont experience the same:
in short here is what I experienced:
I payed 25000 euros to get at least 500 hours through EagleJet.
I start line training and get 14.75 hours. I get stopped on my line training and sent home. No reason given why.
I wait for about 1 month with no news on when I will continue line training. I get asked to be a support sim in prague on very short notice. It says start time on schedule and I was there then. I should have been there 2 hours before for briefing so after helping the company they decide to terminate me.
I get no refund from Avion Express but get 5000 euros back from EagleJet. I loose 20000 euros on this and also they are evil enough to wait 3-4 weeks until Avion Express tell me I am terminated so I miss out on finding another pilot job for the summer season.
Never experienced such an unpleasant evil thing.
Have heard this company have treated others bad also so please be aware.
Dear Pilots.
I myself had a very bad experience in Avion Express and also heard some of my friends having it aslo.
Writing this to warn others so they dont experience the same:
in short here is what I experienced:
I payed 25000 euros to get at least 500 hours through EagleJet.
I start line training and get 14.75 hours. I get stopped on my line training and sent home. No reason given why.
I wait for about 1 month with no news on when I will continue line training. I get asked to be a support sim in prague on very short notice. It says start time on schedule and I was there then. I should have been there 2 hours before for briefing so after helping the company they decide to terminate me.
I get no refund from Avion Express but get 5000 euros back from EagleJet. I loose 20000 euros on this and also they are evil enough to wait 3-4 weeks until Avion Express tell me I am terminated so I miss out on finding another pilot job for the summer season.
Never experienced such an unpleasant evil thing.
Have heard this company have treated others bad also so please be aware.
I myself had a very bad experience in Avion Express and also heard some of my friends having it aslo.
Writing this to warn others so they dont experience the same:
in short here is what I experienced:
I payed 25000 euros to get at least 500 hours through EagleJet.
I start line training and get 14.75 hours. I get stopped on my line training and sent home. No reason given why.
I wait for about 1 month with no news on when I will continue line training. I get asked to be a support sim in prague on very short notice. It says start time on schedule and I was there then. I should have been there 2 hours before for briefing so after helping the company they decide to terminate me.
I get no refund from Avion Express but get 5000 euros back from EagleJet. I loose 20000 euros on this and also they are evil enough to wait 3-4 weeks until Avion Express tell me I am terminated so I miss out on finding another pilot job for the summer season.
Never experienced such an unpleasant evil thing.
Have heard this company have treated others bad also so please be aware.
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Thanks for sharing your experience.
Good you have mentioned your name. At least we all can see another instagram superpilot (don't want to say id..t) who is supporting nowdays the P2F scheme and supporting such ASG airlines destroying the european pilot job market.
hopefully recruiters from well established airlines are reading this forum as well to see whom to reject.
Good you have mentioned your name. At least we all can see another instagram superpilot (don't want to say id..t) who is supporting nowdays the P2F scheme and supporting such ASG airlines destroying the european pilot job market.
hopefully recruiters from well established airlines are reading this forum as well to see whom to reject.