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Old 27th Oct 2018, 08:58
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Lets see how many resign in the coming months to move elsewhere. I understand Tui aren’t struggling attracting type rated pilots.
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 12:14
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J2 does still seem to be a very different airline for those based at LBA compared to elsewhere. Elsewhere is great! LBA, less so, for the reasons mentioned above. It's not the airport or weather that makes people desperate to leave LBA!
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 12:18
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Originally Posted by Well Used View Post
Lets see how many resign in the coming months to move elsewhere. I understand Tui arenít struggling attracting type rated pilots.

.......... where you can look forward to regular night DLM/RHO/TFS etc getting back at 0600h, winters out of base, deadheading, minibuses back to MAN from NCL after an overnight trip from the Caribbean etc.

No thanks.
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 15:56
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Originally Posted by Cuillin Hills View Post



.......... where you can look forward to regular night DLM/RHO/TFS etc getting back at 0600h, winters out of base, deadheading, minibuses back to MAN from NCL after an overnight trip from the Caribbean etc.

No thanks.
​​​​​That's not really a fair or accurate portrayal of life at TUI. Perhaps there's a reason there aren't threads and threads on PPRuNe bemoaning it?
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 17:50
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Originally Posted by vrb03kt View Post
​​​​​That's not really a fair or accurate portrayal of life at TUI. Perhaps there's a reason there aren't threads and threads on PPRuNe bemoaning it?
no, not accurate at all, he forgot to mention the summer mayhem, early flights followed by late flights and back to earlies in the same week, 7 days on 2 off, delays caused by a shortage of ramp staff, no pushback crew, no aircraft steps on arrival, missing passengers, missed ATC slots, crappy hotels, roster changed every day, fatigue reports, discretion reports, but plenty of time sat in traffic on the M1,M18, M6, M25, M23 to reflect on how disorganised the operation at TUI is in the summer.

they don't moan about it publicly because it is discouraged by the union
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 17:57
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forgot to mention crew control rostering you for a night in a hotel at your home base so you can take full advantage of reduced rest
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Old 28th Oct 2018, 07:36
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I donít recognise any of that moaning as the TUI that I work for. Just goes to show I suppose you canít please all the people all of the time. And as for the union discouraging moaning I have never heard or seen that mentioned anywhere ever.
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 08:27
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Originally Posted by hec7or View Post
no, not accurate at all, he forgot to mention the summer mayhem, early flights followed by late flights and back to earlies in the same week, 7 days on 2 off, delays caused by a shortage of ramp staff, no pushback crew, no aircraft steps on arrival, missing passengers, missed ATC slots, crappy hotels, roster changed every day, fatigue reports, discretion reports, but plenty of time sat in traffic on the M1,M18, M6, M25, M23 to reflect on how disorganised the operation at TUI is in the summer.

they don't moan about it publicly because it is discouraged by the union

A fairly slanderous post!
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 12:05
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Originally Posted by hec7or View Post
no, not accurate at all, he forgot to mention the summer mayhem, early flights followed by late flights and back to earlies in the same week, 7 days on 2 off, delays caused by a shortage of ramp staff, no pushback crew, no aircraft steps on arrival, missing passengers, missed ATC slots, crappy hotels, roster changed every day, fatigue reports, discretion reports, but plenty of time sat in traffic on the M1,M18, M6, M25, M23 to reflect on how disorganised the operation at TUI is in the summer.

they don't moan about it publicly because it is discouraged by the union
you could always apply to jet2
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Old 5th Nov 2018, 21:06
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Originally Posted by hec7or View Post
no, not accurate at all, he forgot to mention the summer mayhem, early flights followed by late flights and back to earlies in the same week, 7 days on 2 off, delays caused by a shortage of ramp staff, no pushback crew, no aircraft steps on arrival, missing passengers, missed ATC slots, crappy hotels, roster changed every day, fatigue reports, discretion reports, but plenty of time sat in traffic on the M1,M18, M6, M25, M23 to reflect on how disorganised the operation at TUI is in the summer.

they don't moan about it publicly because it is discouraged by the union
Hmmm doesnít sound like the Thomson/TUI Iíve been working for. Summers are busy but rosters are protected by Union rules in addition to basic FTLís. The earlies to lates to earlies you mention is one example of rostering that isnít allowed under those rules.
Only time Iíve ever had 7 days on is being down route on a beach somewhere on a weeks trip.

Crappy hotels? Only ever stayed in 4/5 star hotels (again as per union agreements governing hotel quality although some down-route are all-inclusive).
Roster changes do occasionally occur but changes are only allowed within a two hour window of original duty (union rule again).

Discretion? Yes occasionally asked by crewing, some crew say no and no questions ever asked.

Yes quite often spend time in company transport on said motorways e.g to and from LGW/MAN if trip finishes at a different base to where you started but transport is always a luxury coach with reclining seats, plenty of room, WiFi etc...

Yes the company does have itís moments but unlike most UK airlines now days, still bears a fair degree of resemblance to its former legacy self. Although sadly I fear it will be the likes of the low-cost empire that will put an end to this.


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Old 27th Nov 2018, 14:51
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The latest update on PPJN states

"Internal upgrades on hold until March 2019, due to reviews in the training department."

I've heard this on the grapevine too but no real explanation, can anyone expand on this? Surely they needs lots Captains atm?
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 15:02
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Id doubt that to be true as they need lots of pilots for all seats however the training season is in full swing now as line training is once again starting to make my roster nice and quiet, so that could possibly be a reason if found to be true.

A nice quiet winter and then i'm out of here as I'm not having another summer like this one.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 17:30
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as I'm not having another summer like this one
What makes you think it will be? Recruitment is well under way to make the difference.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 19:27
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People have been messing around with PPJN for the last few months, I wouldn't put much credence into anything written on there, seems like someone with an axe to grind is just making things up and consistently posting on that site.

For example the Captain basic salary is now incorrect as is the pension rate for FOs.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 20:04
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I've been in the DEC hold pool since August with not so much as a sniff of a phone call with a start date, not even a start date to get online by the summer next year, they can't be that desperate.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 09:55
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Out of curiosity. What is the status of Jet2 after Brexit if it does become a hard exit resulting in a no deal scenario.

All the big UK airlines (Virgin, easyJet, ThomasCook, TUI) seem to be planning for the worse case scenario making sure they meet both the EU and UK ownership rules if they arenít already meeting these rules.

Iím baffled that the general mood seems to be that things will work out fine. However what if they donít and in order to enjoy the same freedoms you need to fullfill the EU/UK ownership rules, as far as Iím aware Jet2/Dartgroup seems to be pretty much 100% UK owned at the moment.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 10:05
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Originally Posted by whitemonk View Post
People have been messing around with PPJN for the last few months, I wouldn't put much credence into anything written on there, seems like someone with an axe to grind is just making things up and consistently posting on that site.

For example the Captain basic salary is now incorrect as is the pension rate for FOs.
i think that's for the 70% part time so is not exactly untrue. Don't know about the pension figure
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 11:27
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Not exactly true either though, there is a bunch of nonsense on that page, for reference the FO pension rate is 8%. The rumoured merger with Air Tanker makes no sense either. I do wonder sometimes who edits that site as it seems any random person is able to post whatever they like.

BRS/CWL/BCN bases in 2019? Possible but all highly unlikely, particularly the latter, FAO and AGP will come first if at all, also how would they have any of them crewed by summer 19?
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Old 16th Dec 2018, 23:16
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Does anyone have any info on what a 50% Captain position would be in terms of work pattern? Would you still be 100% over the summer months with majority of the time off over the winter?
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Old 1st Apr 2019, 16:10
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Off the top of my head. Unless itís changed, the only options when joining are 70%/100% contracts. We then get offered optional winter leave each year, where you can take upto 5 months off at 50% pay and various other options if you want to.

But it is always full time in summer.

I believe 70% you do full time in peak period, then from October you work a max of 10 days I think, then november/december off then max 10 days in Jan/Feb/Mar.

That might not be completely accurate but it roughly works like that.
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