Things are getting interesting at RYR for Cadets
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Things are getting interesting at RYR for Cadets
never thought i would see this, uncle Mick is subsidising FO type ratings - Christmas has come early if you didn't have money for their type rating, decent deal, €5k up front and not €29,500 payment, just bonded for 5 years - wonder if other LCC will follow suit.
https://careers.ryanair.com/cadets/
there is a video on linkedin as well
https://careers.ryanair.com/cadets/
there is a video on linkedin as well
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interesting times.
new salary figures I've seen for FOs and captains are very appealing too. They are in need of a lot of pilots, on linkedin in the video they mentioned 720 cadets a year. So this bonding was to be expected.
new salary figures I've seen for FOs and captains are very appealing too. They are in need of a lot of pilots, on linkedin in the video they mentioned 720 cadets a year. So this bonding was to be expected.
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I'm in exactly the same position. It would be very nice to be offered the new scheme!
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Whats not to understand?
There is no shortage of finding 200 hour cadets - but it was a challenge for them to find the €29900 funding.
This guarantees more bite as those who never applied due to affordability actually apply;
Also new applications
and the biggest of all PUBLICITY - in the market where they were once slated - all the people will now be singing their praises!
They will certainly attract lots more - to fill their inevitable attrition rates.
Effectively CAE will sticking more of their chaps through.
There is no shortage of finding 200 hour cadets - but it was a challenge for them to find the €29900 funding.
This guarantees more bite as those who never applied due to affordability actually apply;
Also new applications
and the biggest of all PUBLICITY - in the market where they were once slated - all the people will now be singing their praises!
They will certainly attract lots more - to fill their inevitable attrition rates.
Effectively CAE will sticking more of their chaps through.
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From: Between a rock and a hard place
I don't really understand this... I thought there was no shortage of 200 hour cadets? Are they trying to lure away turboprop pilots etc? Bulk up the experience coming in?
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Guys.... read between the lines....
The only reason for RYR to offer cadets a "free" type-rating is that they have retention issues with their current FOs...
The website already mentions a 5 year bond and I would recommend you to really look at all the conditions attached to it. And that bond most-likely leads to another one for command upgrade. Most likely this 5-to-8 year bond will end up costing you more than self-sponsoring your type ratings... either in money or in your liberty/QOL.
It is Ryanair what we are talking about after all... but it may be some good news for those with no other option.
The only reason for RYR to offer cadets a "free" type-rating is that they have retention issues with their current FOs...
The website already mentions a 5 year bond and I would recommend you to really look at all the conditions attached to it. And that bond most-likely leads to another one for command upgrade. Most likely this 5-to-8 year bond will end up costing you more than self-sponsoring your type ratings... either in money or in your liberty/QOL.
It is Ryanair what we are talking about after all... but it may be some good news for those with no other option.
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From: Lo cat ion
As an experienced Captain, its a great day out when I'm flying with a colleague who has say, a couple of 1000 hours, is motivated and experienced on type.
Flying with a 200 hour cadet is fine, but its for 90% of flights , my job all the more harder, more fatiguing and require a higher workload.
Introducing 700 cadets in a year to RYA will up the monitoring levels and ultimately, stress levels of their current captains. Good luck. Especially if ICAO language is only level 4 .
Flying with a 200 hour cadet is fine, but its for 90% of flights , my job all the more harder, more fatiguing and require a higher workload.
Introducing 700 cadets in a year to RYA will up the monitoring levels and ultimately, stress levels of their current captains. Good luck. Especially if ICAO language is only level 4 .
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Ryanair are the sort of 'company' where a handshake with officialdom requires a quick check to see if the wristwatch is still present, the wallet in the pocket and the wedding ring (if worn) still on the appropriate digit...
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From: Huxley
Don't forget the odd month delay somewhere in the Sim training. All in virtually even split between a 25k discount on the TR and 6 months picking your naval vs. if you paid full price and they got their act together with the training.
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There is no shortage of 200hr cadets willing to pay circa €30,000 for a type rating.
Only reason RYR are doing this is to retain pilots, 5 year bond, they are recruiting guaranteed future captains, not cadets.
They currently have an issue retaining experienced FO's and captains, this solves the issue. Even though they are doing it for themselves, it is a significant improvement for people trying to get that first airline job, other airlines will follow.
Only reason RYR are doing this is to retain pilots, 5 year bond, they are recruiting guaranteed future captains, not cadets.
They currently have an issue retaining experienced FO's and captains, this solves the issue. Even though they are doing it for themselves, it is a significant improvement for people trying to get that first airline job, other airlines will follow.
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True, there will always be people who leave no matter what bond they have, but it certainly is a huge deterrent. No idea what the details are of the new scheme, but it may not even be a decreasing bond!
RYR just need to open their eyes, rather than firing more money at people, just listen to what the current workforce want.
A Transparent base transfer system and an annual leave system that works and a bit of respect. They wouldn't have problems retaining people, I certainly wouldn't have left.
RYR just need to open their eyes, rather than firing more money at people, just listen to what the current workforce want.
A Transparent base transfer system and an annual leave system that works and a bit of respect. They wouldn't have problems retaining people, I certainly wouldn't have left.
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, there is significant number of cadets which do not continue with the TR within the 6 months time frame, either for financial reason or job found elsewhere with better T&C's.There is only a shortage of pilot able to reach the airline requirement, skills of "low timers" is bad, everybody knows that.
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From: UK
It's not free, it says very clearly that it costs 5000 EUR.
I've no idea of the payscales once you join as to whether or not they claw it back from you.
Still, L3 and easyjet/BA now looks like an even more extremely expensive way to become a pilot.
I've no idea of the payscales once you join as to whether or not they claw it back from you.
Still, L3 and easyjet/BA now looks like an even more extremely expensive way to become a pilot.
