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Things are getting interesting at RYR for Cadets

Old 9th Mar 2018, 00:47
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pay after base training

do you kniw if you get paid at least the basic salary after base training.

once you completed the base training which is when you have the Type written on the licence you still need to do OCC and wait for the start of line training.

would be a good deal if you get paid the basic each month while waiting for line training, I guess like everybody I have some momthoy cost that needs to be paid.

but of is getting nothing, then between base training and start of line training can pass few months and that will be a problem.

any info on it ?
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 05:46
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According to the last 2 posts of Xanderfly, the basic should be 23000pa, so I guess it should cover the basic needs, even if you have to wait for a few months.

Still, you have to cover yourself during the initial training - but hey, what happened(seems to be happening) is something i would never saw coming

Thank you Xander!
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 08:39
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I have a few questions, that i think everybody wants to know more about.

Would you guys still take this ''new'' deal if you were expecting to leave after 2-3 years? ?

How about the salary, now that you won't get paid through your LTD company, wouldn't the taxes be much higher = lower income?

If you get employed on a Ryanair contract, i suppose you will still get paid when you're sick etc. etc. ?

Let's say you are based in Milano, you're paying taxes etc. etc. in Milano only, right?

Are there any pay raise? After 500 hours, after 1500 hours? like on the old contract.

It seems like alot of you guys are really good to give in depth answers, i hope this will also be the case now.
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 13:50
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[quote=carpentermichael

Hopefully this may help:

Would you guys still take this ''new'' deal if you were expecting to leave after 2-3 years? ?

[b]The whole point of the bonding is retention - if you are going to leave in that time frame - pay up the bond and leave.
Simple as that - there is a cost - you cannot have your cake and eat it. Sorry but there is no free lunch - they are a commercial company ...[/b]

How about the salary, now that you won't get paid through your LTD company, wouldn't the taxes be much higher = lower income?



If you get employed on a Ryanair contract, i suppose you will still get paid when you're sick etc. etc. ?
If you are employed by the company yes you would get paid when sick etc

Let's say you are based in Milano, you're paying taxes etc. etc. in Milano only, right?
most likely yes you will only pay tax in one country.

Are there any pay raise? After 500 hours, after 1500 hours? like on the old contract.
not sure
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 13:52
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A lot of posts have disappeared from this thread?
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 15:57
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From the horse's mouth:

The bond is for €25.000 reducing €5.000 per year to zero at the end of year 5

What contract will I get upon completion of Ground School & will I be paid during training?
You will get a Ryanair contract for the duration of 6 months and you will be paid during training from the day you pass your base training. For the duration of this 6-month fixed term training contract you will be paid at a basic gross annual salary of £21,000

You will also be entitled to receive flight expenses from the 1st of the month following your Safety Pilot release in the form of Sector pay at the rate of £16.04 per Scheduled Block Hour (SBH)


After the 6 months training contract, both UK end EU basic salary is just over £23.000/€23.000
Allowance is £5.500/€5.500
Productivity bonus £6.000/€6.000
Annual leave payment £2.800/€3.200-4.600 (base dependant)

Flight pay varies between bases. For 850hrs you can expect:
GBR £27.000 - IRL €33.900 - DEU €36.300 - BEL €32.300
PRT €33.100 - ESP €33.900 - ITA €33.900 - East EU €29.700
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Old 10th Mar 2018, 09:05
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Can we have some pros and cons between each program, so it would make it easier for the cadets to choose. I'll start.

Self sponsored:
Pros = Alot higher earning potential than on the bonding scheme


5 Year bonding
Pros = Cheap T/R if you do all 5 years

Help me out guys, please.
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Old 10th Mar 2018, 11:04
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nightfright;


The type rating costs Ryanair as close to zero. They earned hundred of thousands of euros with the pilots. But I've seen guys like you defending Ryanair like your life is depending on it. Let me tell you this. There are companies out there that actually pay your type rating and they pay you throughout the type rating. And they are commercial companies as well
Basic salary of 21,000Ä is a joke if you don't get a guaranteed amount of flight allowance. Let's say they pay you 50h guaranteed.
Get a grip man.
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Old 10th Mar 2018, 11:07
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Likewise I've met tons of ex Ryanair guys that are so glad to finally have made the move out of this stinky so called company. It's a kindergarden. And it's becoming worse and worse there. Who in the world would return with to them with the current management in place and the current so called "deals"? By the way there are other companies flying out of Dublin with 737s
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Old 11th Mar 2018, 11:08
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Originally Posted by Luke258 View Post
nightfright;


The type rating costs Ryanair as close to zero. They earned hundred of thousands of euros with the pilots. But I've seen guys like you defending Ryanair like your life is depending on it. Let me tell you this. There are companies out there that actually pay your type rating and they pay you throughout the type rating. And they are commercial companies as well
Basic salary of 21,000Ä is a joke if you don't get a guaranteed amount of flight allowance. Let's say they pay you 50h guaranteed.
Get a grip man.
I will get a grip when you name me 1 of those "commercial companies" that will hire me with 250 TT and MCC
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Old 11th Mar 2018, 11:59
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Luke258


I am not defending RYR but all I am saying is that it is a commercial organisation there to make profits.

Correct that the TR may not cost them anything - they do not HAVE to offer you that rating for free. They are able to charge what they like and make you work for kebab or for free.. IF you accept those conditions ... then fine.

Having a RYR on your cv and those hours will mean more opportunities even in a downturn hence ...

There are lots of companies which offer you paid TR although only starting recently. And pay you from day 1 - there is a reason for these .....

Loganair, Flybe etc all pay the TR but when you compare the TR, benefits of type and hours, versus the basic salary as you are comparing - then you will find a plus point on RYR

FlyBe, Loganair, Eastern etc all pay a lower salary than FR. yes albeit a perm contract.... but photos, hours and the rest do not put food on the table....... if you are lucky to have the support then great - many donít.

I totally believe any company should bear its recruitment, training costs on fully and take the risk as well because without that they donít have a business.......... sadly this is a profession which doesnít because people have always been ready to work for a peanut in exchange for crap conditions - unless you are extremely lucky or well connected. Thus is why they can charge that - even if unfair. But it all depends on how desperate you are........

I am certainly not out their to protect companies that extort, treat its people like crap - but you have to understand they are not forcing you to apply - donít apply or accept their conditions if you donít.

Hope that helps
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Old 11th Mar 2018, 13:27
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe View Post
DHL, Luxair, EuroWings, ASL Airlines as far as I know, FlyBe should hire again soon I heard, Jet2, Cathay Pacific and I'm sure these aren't the only one.
Thank you, but I haven't heard from DHL in the last 2 months, luxair is not hiring since end of December, eurowings is not hiring, ASL Airlines no vacancies at the moment, FlyBe is not at the moment, jet2 needs also JOC, and Cathay I've applied a month ago. So with what I've said in mind how bad is Ryanair currently offering me a job in my current situation? I know is always a big debate in this forums but for some people is not so easy to let go such and opportunity.
Edit: Loganair looking for experienced captains and first officers
As I mentioned there aren't so many when you are below that experience threshold
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 09:23
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Originally Posted by Porcellino View Post
I will get a grip when you name me 1 of those "commercial companies" that will hire me with 250 TT and MCC
Aer Lingus recruits zero hour pilots with a frozen ATPL (MCC+joc).

Bonded for 3 years you don't pay for any training whatsoever and get paid from day 1 of your employment. Salary is equal to those on a permanent contract and mostly based on your basic so financially you are in a secure position.

I can't understand why a much more profitable airline such as FR wouldn't offer the same if not better recruitment offers.
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 09:27
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I can't understand why a much more profitable airline such as FR wouldn't offer the same if not better recruitment offers.
Simple - they don't have to.
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 10:45
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Aer Lingus have a cadet/non type rated salary for the first 2 (I believe) years. The trend these days is that you will pay for it, somehow. It might not be as ludicrous as 30k upfront, but you are paying for it.
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 12:46
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There is a cadet salary at AL but the new joiners also get from day 1 a salary, final salary pension, sector pay, performance pay, uniform, carpark, all training included, food and water, overnight allowances, hotac accommodation, seniority list, union, working conditions etc etc. Incomparable to FR or any of the bottom feeders.
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 12:49
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IMHO, that there are many airlines out there who recruit fATPLs and pay them better, at least initially. However, there are no airlines out there who recruit anywhere near the number of fATPLs that Ryanair do. Unless you include Easyjet, but they only recruit cadets from the space academies.

Anyhow, like it or not and if you can get over your anti-Ryanair fundamentalism, you will see that Ryanair has vastly improved and is no longer the bad guy on the block. There are many other employers out there that deserve everyones scorn other than Ryanair.

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Old 12th Mar 2018, 15:31
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Here is the new deal.
Bonus of €6 000/yr will be paid if you dont have any sickdays (as far as I know)

These contracts are OK if you are young and healthy. As soon as something happens, you’re ****** with the basic salary
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 17:02
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There is a cadet salary at AL but the new joiners also get from day 1 a salary, final salary pension, sector pay, performance pay, uniform, carpark, all training included, food and water, overnight allowances, hotac accommodation, seniority list, union, don't forget staff interline.

For an 'apprentice' scheme that seems pretty attractive, even if you have to contribute over 2 years.

Bonus of €6 000/yr will be paid if you dont have any sickdays (as far as I know)

If that is true I would expect the relevant XAA to take an interest as it suggests an incentive to fly when unfit.
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 17:15
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Hi guys!

What about the APC programme?
I've been successful at the APC assessment and got an invitation to start the TR on 23rd of April, but I still didn't receive any contract and signed anything.

Do you know anything about that?
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