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Old 1st Jun 2018, 11:20
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Originally Posted by VJW
Fixating on winter months pay and complaining about it simply shows naivety if you ask me. I always found it strange when FOís would brag about how much they made during the summer, and then whine when the reverse was true in the winter. I use to just work out what 800hrs pay was and pay myself 800/12 worth of hours each month to cover me for months off/slow months. Anything over 800 hrs a year was a bonus at the end. Think some people need to understand you canít do 100hrs every month of the year...

Of course Iím not advocating the employment practices there, but if you were/are a contractor, itís not rocket science - and ending up with 500-1000euro net pay in any month, is no ones elseís fault but your own.
That's exactly what you're doing. How's it my fault if I earn 1000Ä a month?? Stockholm Syndrom I see. How can you accept that you earn significantly less in winter? How can you have a stable lifestyle? If you don't get a basic salary you're screwed! Also if you get 20-30k basic and you think it's fine you're a fool. Your basic salary should cover most of your salary whereas flight sector pay should get you the bonus.
Btw it was not my fault since this airline canceled all flights to let line training guys fly.
Your attitude is, forgive my harshness, disgusting.
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 11:51
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You really realise how bad it is about 6 months after leaving to a better company. It's a real pity FR don't offer the little things that matter but usually only come along with union help. Summer leave, not losing a day off on Christmas even though the airline is closed, seniority etc.

It would seem last years chance to get these 'perks' is again lost due to the greed of a few who only consider the immediate future. To those I say good luck when you have kids and try to go on summer vacation!
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 12:14
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I'm basing my personal assessment on how you address fellow professionals on this forum.
Congratulations 😂
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 18:08
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Originally Posted by Luke258
That's exactly what you're doing. How's it my fault if I earn 1000Ä a month?? Stockholm Syndrom I see. How can you accept that you earn significantly less in winter? How can you have a stable lifestyle? If you don't get a basic salary you're screwed! Also if you get 20-30k basic and you think it's fine you're a fool. Your basic salary should cover most of your salary whereas flight sector pay should get you the bonus.
Btw it was not my fault since this airline canceled all flights to let line training guys fly.
Your attitude is, forgive my harshness, disgusting.

Itís your fault because you probably naively thought that the money earned during the summer is what youíll get all year.

Not sure how my attitude can be described as disgusting. Itís very simple logic and if you chose to live like a king during the summer 100 hr months expecting that income to remain the same all year round when you well know you only get paid for 900 hrs a year, then that reflects more on you than me.

As you mention Spain- do me a favour and ask the guy working at the pool bar if he earns the same in the winter as he does in the summer, and more importantly if he budgets accordingly.

The Ďshouldí points you make are of course correct. Iíve since left and am with an airline that pays me about 85% of my income as a basic salary. While Ryanair Ďshouldí do the same, that doesnít mean that for the 9 years while I was BRK I didnít plan/budget/save knowing the winter months were slower. I find it amazing people whine about that- and even more amazing they come here to vent.

I know RYR need pilots but doubt they had a gun to your head asking you to sign that contract..
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 19:42
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Gentleman Gentlenman Gentleman, let us all try to keep this forum professional and more to the point and business like. PPRUNE should be about exchanging fact, figures and experiences. Every once and a while an emotion is O.K. but this thread has taken an unprofessional turn. This forum is a great place to share information about the airlines we work for so those who are looking to join or switch can make an informed decision. Letís keep doing this for the greater good of us all.
I recently retired against my will at age 58 from KLM and because I still love to fly am about to join Ryanair, so I really appreciate all the info I read about FR on PPRUNE. Anybody wanting info on KLM just let me know. And for those of you who think I am nuts to join FR, donít worry I believe I know what I am doing but I guess the prove is in eating the pudding or something like that.
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 20:08
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Originally Posted by Time Traveller
I'm basing my personal assessment on how you address fellow professionals on this forum.
If there was a like button I would have used it. The displayed lack of respect and the childish lewd comments made render whatever his issue is as an irrelevance.

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Old 2nd Jun 2018, 22:59
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Originally Posted by CaptainDutch
Gentleman Gentlenman Gentleman, let us all try to keep this forum professional and more to the point and business like. PPRUNE should be about exchanging fact, figures and experiences. Every once and a while an emotion is O.K. but this thread has taken an unprofessional turn. This forum is a great place to share information about the airlines we work for so those who are looking to join or switch can make an informed decision. Letís keep doing this for the greater good of us all.
I recently retired against my will at age 58 from KLM and because I still love to fly am about to join Ryanair, so I really appreciate all the info I read about FR on PPRUNE. Anybody wanting info on KLM just let me know. And for those of you who think I am nuts to join FR, donít worry I believe I know what I am doing but I guess the prove is in eating the pudding or something like that.


Is 58 the mandatory retirement age at KLM?
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Old 3rd Jun 2018, 07:55
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Unfortunately yes it is. However there are some options to extend your career by flying partime. E.g. fly 80% from age 40 and you retire at 62. Other variants are also available. In my time the only option was to fly 80% from age 48 in order to extend your career from 56 (at that time the retirement age) to 58, hence my recent retirement at 58. This young retirement age is a union thing creating a somewhat predictable and steady flow thru to Captain positions for young colleagues. When you are young itís great, when you are old and have to leave the job and company you love itís not so great. Many retired KLM pilots continue their career at other airlines all over the world and the sad thing is that KLM had to ground several airplanes this summer due to lack of pilots.
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Old 3rd Jun 2018, 10:33
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Not intended as a leading question: What made Ryanair attractive to you at age 58?
Do you think you might stay until 65 i.e. would Ryanair enjoy less turnover of staff if they start targeting older pilots than burning through newly qualified pilots who might only stay a few years?
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Old 3rd Jun 2018, 11:18
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You love KLM!
You decided to join Ryanair.
Interesting choice!

Regards
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Old 3rd Jun 2018, 15:57
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Captain Dutch: You might believe you know what you are doing, but prepare yourself for the biggest and most severe cultural shock of your life. To relieve that a little you might consider part-time if you can get it. If they insist on a 'contractor BV' set up you should first check with the NL belastingdienst as I hear they have doubts about it if you are Netherlands resident.
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Old 3rd Jun 2018, 17:23
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I respect Dutchies desire to continue flying at 58 .. why not heís still relatively young but heíll be looking at this from a completely different aspect from most Ryr pilots.

FZ Salary will be a supplement to a well deserved and hopefully decent pension from KLM this puts quite a different perspective on things
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Old 3rd Jun 2018, 18:36
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Originally Posted by BluSdUp
Dutch
You love KLM!
You decided to join Ryanair.
Interesting choice!

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Well, if KLM does not allow him to fly anymore...
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Old 3rd Jun 2018, 19:00
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Have met plenty of ex-legacy airline Capts at Ryanair and all seem happy enough. BA, KLM, Thomson, Virgin, Emirates to name but a few. Itís not for everyone but it suits a lot of us.
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Old 3rd Jun 2018, 19:08
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What's Ryanair's retirement age?
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Old 4th Jun 2018, 07:51
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Originally Posted by BirdmanBerry
What's Ryanair's retirement age?
When you die of exhaustion during the summer schedule

think it is 65 now
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Old 4th Jun 2018, 09:27
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@diple, decided on FR because believe it or not right now it is one of the better 73 deals in Europe. Schedule 5/4,pay, easy commute AMS-DUB. I have no idea if I will stay till 65 (which is the legal/FR retirement age), will depend on how much I like it. I believe the only way for FR to retain their pilots is to start treating them better in all aspects. MOl should have a talk with Sir Richard Branson. LCC and good pay/ benefits can go together, see SouthWest.
@BluSdUp, @ Arketip, indeed I had to retire, no choice, game over at KLM, love flying and much to young to only mow the lawn.
@Rat5 thanks for the warning, am aware that it will be way different than KLM, already have saved some empty water bottles and bought powdered coffee for in my flight bag. Will let you know how large the shock was. No BV for me, direct employment contract, will definitely be looking for part-time.
@skyflyer 737 thanks for the encouraging words.
@nrn KLM 73 schedule 28 day cycle 17 work 11 off, FR 28 day cycle 16 work 12 off, I fully realize that I have to commute in those days off, hence the DUB base, 4 FR flights a day AMS-DUB.
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Old 4th Jun 2018, 11:31
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Originally Posted by nrn


When you die of exhaustion during the summer schedule

think it is 65 now
Direct employment: 60

Contractor: 65
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Old 4th Jun 2018, 11:58
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Future of the European Airline Industry

what do you think, where we're all flying in the next decade ?
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Old 4th Jun 2018, 18:31
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Originally Posted by matt283
Direct employment: 60

Contractor: 65
After 60, contractors are put on a rolling one year contract until aged 65.
Most try and do this on a shared contract. RYR don't make it easy for them to obtain this though ....
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